SEP Rating Renewal after 5 years

[P1 Forever]

Hi guys,

I understand the rules regarding revalidating the sep rating within the 2 years by experience or a LPC with an examiner. However, what happens if you want to renew it after 5 years? For example, if my sep rating expired on Feb 10 2006 and I want to renew it now, do I have to do a full skills test like the initial for my ppl.

Thanks for you help guys!

[S-Works]

No you do an LST but we have to send your paperwork to the CAA for the CAA to reissue rather than signing after the test. This just means you can't fly until you have it back and of course you have to pay the CAA a fee as well.

SRG1157 for the content of the LPC.

edit: LPC/LST I should know better...

[MrAverage]

It's not a full Skill Test but an LST. Details and requirements in LASORS F 1.6. Whichever examiner you choose he will not be able to sign your Cert, the big grey building will do that when they receive his LST/LPC form and your money!

[MrAverage]

Sorry bose-x,

I was typing just behind you.............

[Whopity]

It's not a full Skill Test but an LST.No wonder there is so much confusion!
There is a PPL Skill Test for initial Issue and there is a Licensing Skill Test for renewal, both are FULL skill tests, they are just different and should not be confused. The Initial licence issue test is not repeated.

The LST is the same as an LPC; the only difference being its called an LST if the rating has expired and a LPC if its still valid.

[P1 Forever]

Thanks guys for your quick reply.

I'm thinking about going to the USA to renew it. Will I be able to fly/hour build over there once I have done the LST or would I have to wait for weeks due to the admin with the CAA?

Cheers.

[S-Works]

You will not be able to fly until you have the licence from the CAA. If you have a 61.75 certificate then the underlying licence must be valid. If you do not have a 61.75 or an FAA PPL then you wont be able to fly anyway other than as a student which would then require TSA and a visa.....

[P1 Forever]

Cheers bose-x.

[P1 Forever]

Hello again,

I'm looking at my ppl licence - certificate of revalidation page.

Does the 5 years start from the date of last check or the valid until date ie expiry of the sep rating???

P1

[S-Works]

Date of expiry of the last LPC or revalidation by experience signed by the examiner for the relevant class rating.

So your SEP Land entry will have a date of expiry on it and the five years starts from there.

[P1 Forever]

Thats clear now, thanks again bose-x

P1

[red9]

about 20 mins airborne for the LST if its only been 5 years :)

[Whopity]

It cannot possibly be done in 20 mins!

[red9]

there is no reason why not if you are reasonably competent and prepared

[Fuji Abound]

Bose are you absolutely sure about the 61.75 there is anecdotal evidence that if you have a life time ppl the licence remains valid whether or not your meet the requirements to fly. In the same way your uk medical may have lapsed and you would not be legal to fly on your uk licence but legal on a 61.75 with an FAA medical.

[IO540]

I am 100% sure a 61.75 is valid only if the underlying license is valid at the time.

There is a grey area regarding type or class ratings. The usual example is a PA46 which needs a TR (or a CR?) if flown on a CAA license but not if flown on an FAA license. In that case, it isn't clear whether a 61.75 is valid if the UK PPL doesn't have a PA46 TR/CR on it. That one has been argued both ways.

What a lot of people also get wrong is that they get a 61.75 and don't get a US BFR.

[Fuji Abound]

But you can fly on a 61.75 with just an FAA medical in which case your uk licence is not valid.

[S-Works]

The underlying licence has to have the underlying ratings valid to be used with a 61.75. The FAA have then deemed that in the case of a medical as long as you have either a medical to match the underlying licence or an FAA medical then you are fine.

Don't confuse the medical with the licence validty.

about 20 mins airborne for the LST if its only been 5 years

I can just imagine the response from the CAA if I was to conduct an LPC/LST in 20 minutes and send in the SRG1119 with that time on it........ ;)

there is no reason why not if you are reasonably competent and prepared

Take a look at the SRG1157 and tell me how I can conduct that content in 20 mins.....

[JohnRayner]

And had an interesting chat with the examiner afterwards. She told me originally the LPC was just a test of general handling and as such could be done reeeeeally quickly. She also told me that a brief nav exercise was included to ensure dead reckoning skills were present, as in the GPS era it had been found that these skills had been seen to fade somewhat in those taking their revalidation/ renewal.

Here's what I did:

Planned and flew a route (20 nm/ 15 minutes duration)

en-route diversion (25 nm/ 20 mins-ish)

Steep turns

Clean stall/ incipient stall recovery in landing and low speed configuration

EFATO/ PFL.

Flapless approach/glide approach/ bad weather circuit.

total time 1.6 hours.

I didn't feel like the sharpest tool in the box while I was doing all that (haven't flown in the last year until this week and my baby Son decided to get colic all last night) but even so I doubt I'd have done it in 20 minutes at the height of my powers!

[stan321]

I'm in the process of preparing for the LST (UK CAA PPL, my SEP rating expired in 2003), the club I'm flying with are saying I need to re-sit the 7 exams I originally took during my PPL training days but I cannot see a requirement for this in LASORS, am I right in thinking I just have to do an oral exam as part of the skills test and not all of the PPL exams? :*

Where licence holders have been unable to renew a SEP

(Land) or TMG Class Rating for a period
exceeding 5

years


from the date of expiry*, they will be required to
complete the following requirements:



i. The CAA will require no mandatory additional
training. Applicants should complete training at their
own discretion sufficient to pass the Skill Test
ii. Complete the Skill Test in accordance with
Appendices 1 & 3 to JAR-FCL 1.240 with a JAR
Authorised Examiner. For renewal of an Instrument
rating, if held, please refer to Section E1.5.
iii. Pass an oral theoretical knowledge examination
conducted by the Examiner as part of the Skill Test.
iv. The LST/LPC form, completed as a renewal, should
be sent to CAA PLD for endorsement, together with
the appropriate fee as per the Scheme of Charges.
v. The Examiner must make no licence entry..
*Where an applicant can show that they are
currently flying under the privileges of an ICAO
licence, and are flying the same aircraft type/class
within their UK or JAR-FCL licence, the renewal
requirements will be based on the expiry date of the


rating currently being exercised.

[Dan the weegie]

if your licence has not expired then you shouldn't need to resit the exams, if it has then I'm not sure.

[stan321]

My license is a non-expiry UK CAA PPL(A) so it is only my SEP rating that has expired.

[Angel_1_five]

Hello Stan
I'm about to start renewing mine, you are right no exams only oral theoretical knowledge as part of the skill test the short skill test not the one for a new PPL.
Do you know what you might be asked in the oral ?

Good luck

[stan321]

Hi Angel 1 five, I'm not sure what might be asked but I'm working on the assumption that it could be anything from the PPL exam syllabus. I'm just happy I don't have to physically sit the exams although I will be studying the subjects thoroughly. Good luck with your renewal too!

[Dan the weegie]

Stan, did the school you're going to tell you that you HAVE to resit the exams? can you PM me with who that was? If it's who I think it is I can correct them so they don't get that wrong again :)

[mad_jock]

to be honest its nothing to do with the school.

Just contact the examinor and they will sort it.

[Whopity]

I'm working on the assumption that it could be anything from the PPL exam syllabusStandards Doc 17 Guidance for Examiners conducting Oral Examinations lists:
Controls
Engine Handling
Fuel and Oil Systems
Flying Controls
Electrical System
Autopilot
Instruments and Compass Systems
Avionics
Ice and Rain Protection
Limitations and Safety Equipment
Performance

all related to the Class or Type of aeroplane.

[Angel_1_five]

Thank you Whopity