Air New Zealand School of Flight

[S.E.A.L.11]

I know this has already been mentioned in the recruiting thread for Air New Zealand, but seeing as this gets launched on the 8th of April (I think, if not then thereabouts) I thought I would open a new thread to discuss the School and its providors.:)

As per the website: School of Flight (http://www.aviationinstitute.co.nz/index.php/school-of-flight/) there will be 5 training providors for the initial pilot training. Rumour has it that the major 'usual' flight schools got the nod and are spread geographically across NZ.:cool:

Thoughts on the school and its cadet-like manner...?:confused:

[alexWCD]

I just had a look at the website you posted SEAL, but didn't really understand it. Is Air New Zealand going to begin a cadetship program? Or are they just offering their sims for type ratings etc?

[jakepretor]

Hey where are you getting the information about the launch date for this program? From what I have been told, applications from aero clubs have not been finalised yet (my aero club have said that they wont be applying for a few more months - although I assume this is because they don't stand a chance in hell at the moment).

The FB page has at least had some updates over the past few weeks, so hopefully more info comes out soon!

[Artificial Horizon]

Shock horror, this is going to be an Air New Zealand cadet scheme. Great career path for those who are about to begin training.

[S.E.A.L.11]

alexWCD - It kinda looks like both really. :ok: The sims appear to be availiable to anyone for type training. Also the First Officer (Cadet) Programme info is here: First Officer Programme (http://www.aviationinstitute.co.nz/index.php/school-of-flight/first-officer-programme/). One thing is for sure, its all pretty vague at the moment until the official launch in a week or so. :confused:

jakepretor - As far as I'm aware applications / business cases for the initial programme closed late last year. Perhaps ANZ are still taking applications for future use when and if they need to swap providers. Looks like your Aero Club might be a bit slow for round one though :zzz::confused:. The launch is expected within the next 2 weeks, however it was meant to be mid-late March but got pushed back perhaps due to the CH EQ / Japan.

SEAL11 :}

[alexWCD]

Had a look at the website today, no change? Anyone else see/hear any different?

[DeltaT]

Great career path for those who are about to begin training.

Also one of the slowest airline pilot career progressions in the world

[Ixixly]

I hope I don't sound too silly here... but how does a "Dry Hire Sim" Work? Does this mean I have to provide my own Generator to power it as opposed to a "Wet Hire Sim" where they'll let me use their power sockets?

[Artificial Horizon]

Means that you provide the sim operator / instructor.

[S.E.A.L.11]

Had a look at the website today, no change? Anyone else see/hear any different?


April 20th I believe...pushed back...

[WM2672]

I rang NZ today to ask which five schools were their partners but the people I spoke with couldn't tell me!!

[china777]

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Biggles78]

I rang NZ today to ask which five schools were their partners but the people I spoke with couldn't tell me!!
Before the notorious GG can reply; phone back in 25 years when NZ will have caught up with present day news. :eek: :mad:

[glekichi]

Going by what is actually written on the website it is clearly not an Air New Zealand cadetship. Rather, it is somewhere for other airlines to train their cadets.
Does someone actually have any information contrary to this, or are we just making things up here?

[Got the horn]

Wait another 7 days and all will be revealed (apparently).

[Artificial Horizon]

Trust me, from the union emails going around this WILL be some form of Air New Zealand cadetship. I have heard the specially selected people will attend one of around 5 specially selected flying schools. On completion the cadet First Officer will be streamed to a Second Officer position on longhaul followed by a placement with one of the link carriers as a first officer to serve out time until required back in mainline as a first officer. That is what I have seen being proposed. There are quite a few who are opposed to the whole idea as it is seen as a way of Air NZ reducing the terms and conditions in New Zealand. i.e. SO's in AIR NZ mainline earning $50,000 per year as a cadet. We will wait and see.

[27/09]

On completion the cadet First Officer will be streamed to a Second Officer position on longhaul followed by a placement with one of the link carriers as a first officer to serve out time until required back in mainline as a first officer. That is what I have seen being proposed. There are quite a few who are opposed to the whole idea as it is seen as a way of Air NZ reducing the terms and conditions in New Zealand. i.e. SO's in AIR NZ mainline earning $50,000 per year as a cadet. Could be more than a couple of fish hooks in this.

Two for a start,

Where will the link operators get their Captains from?

If the figures I hear about link FO salaries are correct will the mainline SO cadets take a pay cut to come back as a link FO?

[Bongo Bus Driver]

Yep AH I have heard the same. From what I can tell the union are pretty relaxed about it saying that it is just a suggestion and there is nothing set in concrete.

[Water Wings]

The numbers to start with will be apparently very small. I heard a figure of 4 Cadets a year for the first little while. Then again lot's of rumours swirling and this could be totally off the money.

[27/09]

just a suggestion and there is nothing set in concrete Unfortunately such suggestions slowly solidify into something similar to concrete. Not something to be relaxed about, especially if your'e a current link FO or Captain with aspirations of going to mainline.

[Bongo Bus Driver]

Why would Air NZ need 5 training organisations if they are only taking 4 cadets?

[27/09]

Why would Air NZ need 5 training organisations if they are only taking 4 cadets?

My understanding from people who have been asked to submit their interest in being one of the providers was that Air NZ were going to be touting this school internationally, to train pilots for other operators as well and bring in students from overseas. Sure there will be NZ cadets as well.

What I cannot figure is why Air NZ needs to get involved in this sort of thing to start with. There seems to be quite a bit of infrastrutcure on their part.

What's in it for them?

[Bongo Bus Driver]

Could it be similiar to how the air force guys operate at the moment with Air Nelson. The RNZAF pays their salary and their training costs in exchange for their guys getting experience on line. Air NZ gets cheap (free) labour.

Imagine an overseas operator approaching Air NZ and asking them to train and give experience to their new pilots. A year of multi crew experience whilst gaining extra sim experiece as well then back home to start on line. It would be a great OE for some young fella/ess, cheap (free) labour for Air NZ and a big FU to the Links

[S.E.A.L.11]

University signs partnership with Air New Zealand - Massey University (http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle=university-signs-partnership-with-air-new-zealand-20-04-2011)

Others are: Air Hawkes Bay, Nelson Aviation College, Canterbury Aero Club (IAANZ), Southern Wings....:ok:

[alexWCD]

Just had a look at the Air NZ site, looks like more information will come out in the following days with respect to the courses etc.

[Morrisman1]

This is NOT a cadetship but more of a streamlining of selection and training for Air NZ. Applicants for the program are selected before they start then go through with CPL/MEIR in the normal fashion - not much changing there. From there the worthy will then go on to do an airline integration course, this is NOT time in the cockpit or anything like that, its about learning SOPs and ground work.

The Pilot will then go out and build 2000 hours or whatever they require and when they day comes for them to apply for air nz (or other involved airlines) then their CV will go to the top of the pile as they will be recognised as top pilots already familiarised with an airline environment.

There may be some differences to what I have talked about there but on the whole that is what Ive been told is happening and my source is about as credible as they come

[Jack Sprat]

From the comments above, it seems that this scheme is not designed to provide pilots for Air NZ. If successful graduates then fly around in the weeds building up hours pror to getting into one of the ANZ bits, then whats in it for Air NZ? My guess is that this is just a mechanism to put more hours on the Air NZ sims in Auckland. Any training organization with access to jet sims was therefore never going to get a look in as a trainer.
Cynical check: complete.

[ardmorehardcore]

Not sure how this goverment loan changes will effect this?? Hardly any people will have $30,000 lying around to fund their CPL. This concept might be sinking before it even starts

[c100driver]

Pilots prior to the student loan managed to all self fund their pilot training!

[Split Flap]

$30,000???

And the rest!

[nzavi8or]

Jimmy, would you care to elaborate about your comment of:


their pilot ranks are comprised of a bunch of fraudsters with bogus qualifications

[notaplanegeek]

Is there not a suitable pool of applicants with an excess of 3000hrs???

How are cadets going to get in if they don't have a degree :E

[ardmorehardcore]

Never suggested studen loans were the only way to go, but the number of students going through the system will reduce dramatically(obviously not a bad thing for most of us). Maybe 5 training organisations is a few too many..

@Split Flap. The student loans are still covering dual flying. Solo flying only needs to be self funded.

@jimmyconway. Lie down before you have a heart attack. Don't need to hear the "it was so hard in my day speech". I achieved mine without a student loan.

[waren9]

Not sure how this goverment loan changes will effect this??


Ardmorehardcore

I'll tell you. It will bring the supply of brand new CPL's back down to somewhere closer to where it should be.

The loan system created an artificial oversupply from students with easy access to cash. There are some training establishments that focused on that market to the detriment of the long term viability of other operators and the students themselves. A good many of whom now have a large debt and are no longer in the industry because the promises of jobs and riches simply are not true.