Float plane incident talbot bay?

[Ron_E_Xenos]

Grapevine just informed me of a possible incident yesterday with a floatplane going over in Talbot bay near the Horizontal waterfalls. Anyone got any idea who or what it was? Hope everyone is ok.

[aussie_hawk]

Grapevine told me it was the Beaver (VH-IMU) that is based out of Derby

[FOD_Hazard]

"Gear is up for a water landing".....perhaps not this time.

Also heard that it was IMU. Pretty sure that operator has just lost 2 experienced float guys mid season.

[the wizard of auz]

And with the Otter now residing in Alaska, he would be all out of float planes. :rolleyes:

[flyboyUK2003]

It was not IMU, it was IDO. Everyone ok last I heard

[aileron_69]

I guess the self confessed "worlds greatest bush pilot" was having an off day. From 2 of the pax's involved mouth's in the pub last night... "Kimberley Extreme?? It was bloody extreme alright!!!":E

[the wizard of auz]

Bwaaahahahahaha. now thats funny. :E:ok:

[aileron_69]

Best of all, they filmed it too!!

[Bla Bla Bla]

Is anyone sure it was IDO not IMU, is that the Beaver hired from Goldcoast seaplanes. Has to be a gear down water landing I would think, does anyone know anymore.

[the wizard of auz]

yup, was definitely IDO. Gear was down in the pics as well.
Woot..... you tube should be good soon then.:ok:
good thing no one is hurt...... might just add, as the pilot managed to avoid all schools and aged care facilities, he is a dead set hero. :eek:

[Bla Bla Bla]

Was it the owner/cp who got it wrong.

[Capt Fathom]

Was it the owner/cp who got it wrong.

Why does it matter?

[Bla Bla Bla]

If you know all of those guys and have for along time and you are not just rubber necking then yes.

[aileron_69]

Was definately IDO, hired from Goldcoast, definately wheels down, but it was the General Manager not the CP/Owner....and as Bla Bla Bla said, it definately matters!!:E

[Flying Meat Cleaver]

Mr 69 and Bla Bla, I also agree that it matters who it was due to the unfortunate trend that seems to have occured over the years. However, lets just be happy that all got out alive. The pilot did suffer some nasty cuts etc. This could have been a lot worse than it ended up being. I'm sure his family are just happy to have him back alive. So regardless of what you think of the guy or the operation, just remember that there could have been deaths and nobody wants that.

FMC.

[Bla Bla Bla]

Yep I couldn't agree more, how will they recover the a/c its a pretty remote spot up there. What's the normal damage after a wheels down water landing anyone have any experience. Does it normally damage the airframe/wings apart from the salt water getting everywhere.

[flyboyUK2003]

Does anyone have any of these pics or videos? Or links to them?

[sms777]

No need for picks or video.... water landing with gear up, pretty straight forward... landing gear hits water, aeroplane flips upside down violently.... lots of splash.... silent after about 15 seconds.... heads pop up under water.... all o.k. .... happy ending .... aeroplane sinks slowly upside down..... rescue arrives... all o.k.....insurance company takes cover....

Glad to see everyone alright :ok:

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

No need for picks or video.... water landing with gear up, pretty straight forward... ... errrr ummm, followed by an uneventful water landing. I'm no expert but do you mean gear down then the big splash?

~FRQ CB

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

A spokesman for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said that based on comments by the operator and other reports it had been decided not to investigate the incident. -TheWest.com.au

WTF? That's a reasonably quick turn-around. I'm not saying an investigation is warranted but it seems a bit out of the norm this early on.

FRQ CB

[sms777]

Thanks for the correction....that's what i meant to say. Gear down
Late night typo error again.

:ok:

[bluesky300]

Why would you want ATSB to get seriously into it? Gear down water landing - what more is there to say? Human factors?

[myshoutcaptain]

Five hurt in Kimberley crash landing - The West Australian (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/5794031/five-hurt-in-kimberley-crash-landing/)

When did Bush Flight take over Kimberley Extreme!?

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Why would you want ATSB to get seriously into it?I'm not suggesting that the ATSB needs to start combing through wreckage or dissecting crocs to find pieces of it. I just find it strange that they've gone out of their way to make a statement about their decision so quickly.

[FOD_Hazard]

Tend to agree with bluesky. How often does the atsb worry about fully investigating a wheels up on the bitumen?? HF... pilot had the handle in the wrong place.

Curious. How much time on floats did the pilot have? Are we talking low timer thrown in the deep end after the company lost 2 float guys the week before? or was he a high timer that just stuffed up? I fly an amphib every now and then and I must check the gear handle position 4-5 times for every landing, also run through the "waters blue lights are blue" or "grass is green lights are green".

Pretty sure reef flight took over all the float operations up that way at the start of this season.

As for salvage. Pretty remote part of the world, cost of floating the plane and putting it on a barge back to Broome or Derby would be pretty high. What about sling load under a big helo? Could it be done that way? Either way the cost of recovery is going to be High.

[Capt Fathom]

Was it the owner/cp who got it wrong.


Why does it matter?

It was a statement, not a question!

Let me rephrase! Who gives a sh!t ..... !

[TurbanDriver]

Didn’t AG think to do a few quick checks?after Take off or at Top of climb, or how about this one, a Pre Landing Check.
Maybe I am being too harsh, after all the CP must bear some of the responsibility as well.
It looks to me that RJ who conducts the check and training has a few questions to answer to CASA regarding who he lets loose on the public.
Isn’t it about time RF was completely audited by CASA!
CASA must be aware of the systemic problems that exist at Derby: Over the past few years RF have been haemorrhage pilots like sand though a colander , and there are the maintenance issues that need to be addressed as well.
A complete overhauling of management: starting with the CP would be a good place to start.
Don’t forget that, “a fish always rots from the head”
So there we go CASA! there is your challenge!
DO YOUR JOB!

[multime]

Fusealage of IDO sitting in Broome.
Looks a mess, but glad all are safe.
M

[hugh_jorgan]

Found a few pics of VH-IDO on this website. Last pic at the bottom of the page might be the pic of interest

VH-IDO at Jandakot. (http://www.dhc-2.com/id157.htm)

[multime]

Well done Hugh.
She,s still a beautifull lady.
Just like a cat - 9 lives and them some.
If i knew how to post pics i,d show the aftermath.
As the press eat this up, maybe i,m glad i don,t.
For scientific purposes only.
Cheers
M

[Southern flyor]

Does anybody Know if the insurance company are going to rebuild IDO or send it to the tip?

How much would you have to spend on it and with salt water everywhere would it be worth it?

Any thoughts?

[magritte1982]

VH-IDO is gone to better life. It is in Canada, is getting rebuilt again paid from the insurance Company.
RJ is an experienced pilot, he is like the guru of the seaplanes. It doesn't mean errors can't happen. In the case of AJ, a guy full of himself and reason for most of Bushflight problems, this accident is not happened for not reasons. Obviously stress, being in a rush and continuously talking with the passengers could be some of the reasons. I was impressed when I heard that ATSB was not going head with any investigation but I reckon is quite understandable for the nature of the accident.
The passengers have been fast rescued and taken on board of the house boat and taken back to Derby hospital. They were all really fit and young guys fortunately and they have been able to get out the plane with not many dramas. Normally passengers on those kind of flights are old with mobility problems as well but all went good.
The plane has been towed on a beach up side down and completely damaged from rocks with the tide change. Maybe it's better then sinking but it was not a smart choice.
Bushflight, owners of Kimberley Extreme and Horizontal waterfalls adventure tours, is now operating with a Caravan on floats from Broome and VH-IMU, a great Beaver from Derby.
Bushflight went trough difficult periods with his pilots and most of the problems were caused from AG attitude. Since the accident we never heard bad things about Bushflight. That's because AG is gone somewhere else probably.:ooh:
:mad:

[Plow King]

Is that the sound of an axe grinding :confused:

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/360019-jobs-nw-wa-3.html

[Flying Meat Cleaver]

Agreed Plow King.

I'm certainly not about to defend the people in question, nor their management practices (lack there of). But I wonder whether 1,2,3,6, or 12 months with the said operator disadvantaged anyone in finding future work? Surely 30-300hrs or more in the logbook and some charter (and float - for those inclined) experience didn't do you any real harm did it!? Sounds like you're still hurting from the pineapple Magritte 1982? One day you'll get used to it, we're in aviation after all! :ok:

FMC.

[Peter Fanelli]

IDO..... Wasn't that one of Robby's beavers at Parafield way back in the 70s?

[magritte1982]

plow King I don't have any private ends to serve believe me.
I just said what't the reality is. The bad reputation that this Company had in the past it doesn't any longer exists. The accident that AG had last year on IDO :} was one of other 3 at least that I'm aware of.
Bushflight is going great with his contracts. It's obviously suffering the lack of tourism like everyone else in the world in this particular period. I think nothing wrong with this Company :ok: if you have to start to build up some hours and then piss off. :oh: