Is Flight Instruction in your own Aircraft Legal?

[Ovation]

A friend of mine wants to do his CIRSE rating in his own aircraft which is in PVT IFR category.

Can anybody point me to the Regs that would cover the permissibilty or otherwise of being instructed by a qualified Instructor in an aircraft owned by the person receiving instruction?

[tmpffisch]

I can't find any references at the moment, but the aircraft would have to be reclassified into airwork to begin with.

That is listed in the very first part of the CAR, Part 1, 2. Interpretation

For the purposes of these regulations:
(a) an aircraft that is flying or operating for a commercial purpose referred to in paragraph 206 (1) (a) shall be taken to be employed in aerial work operations;
(b) an aircraft that is flying or operating for a commercial purpose referred to in paragraph 206 (1) (b) shall be taken to be employed in charter operations;
(c) an aircraft that is flying or operating for the commercial purpose referred to in paragraph 206 (1) (c) shall be taken to be employed in regular public transport operations; and
(d) an aircraft that is flying or operating for the purpose of, or in the course of:
(i) the personal transportation of the owner of the aircraft;
(ii) aerial spotting where no remuneration is received by the pilot or the owner of the aircraft or by any person or organisation on whose behalf the spotting is conducted;
(iii) agricultural operations on land owned and occupied by the owner of the aircraft;
(iv) aerial photography where no remuneration is received by the pilot or the owner of the aircraft or by any person or organisation on whose behalf the photography is conducted;
(v) the carriage of persons or the carriage of goods without a charge for the carriage being made other than the carriage, for the purposes of trade, of goods being the property of the pilot, the owner or the hirer of the aircraft;
(va) the carriage of persons in accordance with subregulation (7A);
(vi) the carriage of goods otherwise than for the purposes of trade;
(vii) conversion training for the purpose of endorsement of an additional type or category of aircraft in a pilot licence; or
(viii) any other activity of a kind substantially similar to any of those specified in subparagraphs (i) to (vi) (inclusive);
shall be taken to be employed in private operations.

(Paragraph 206 lists flight training as a commercial operation incidentally.)

I have read/heard about schools letting this happen, depends whether it is allowable by their insurance etc, but it is definatly possible.

[Fonz121]

Its perfectly fine as long as it has airwork on the MR as said already. The instructor would obviously have to be working under an AOC as well.

[Arm out the window]

It would be aerial work, and the instructor either needs to have his or her own AOC covering flying training or be working under an arrangement with someone who has - or words to that effect.

[Ovation]

Thanks for the replies. The Instructor would be operating under the AOC of a Flight School.

Slightly different scenario - do the quoted Regs apply to:

Use of own aircraft for Renewal of CIRSE?

Use of own aircraft for a GPS-RNAV endorsement?

[frothy]

Haven't got time to check now, but in the back of the brain box aren't BFR's supposed to be done in the a/c type the majority of flying is done in, sooooo how does a Pitts/Cirrus/Rv's or Twins etc. Owner go if they can't use their own A/c?? Doesn't this fall into the same catagory ? Aren't BFRs logged as Dual?

Frothy

[Horatio Leafblower]

Ovation

For instructional purposes (or any other commercial purposes for that matter), the ownership of the aircraft is totally irrellevant. It must tick all the same boxes as every other aircraft on the flight line.

Those boxes are created in the CAOs /CARs and the company Ops manual.

A renewal is not flight instruction and is not a commercial purpose, and so a PVT category MR should be fine for that purpose. :ok:

[frothy]

Ovation
Thanks for that, save me the pain of the brain chasing it up. Just got the Weather, looks good for Bundy Airshow, pity I can't make it down. Skippy's in pieces in the Hanger for an Annual. Bad planning:\
Hope it turns out well for those who can. Anyone know whose L39 ?


Frothy

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Kim Rolf-Smith, Also owns T-28 "Puff"

[WhirlyMan]

Guys/Gals,

A spin from the original topic but along similar lines. If flying training is 'Airwork', what about BFRs (or AFRs)......

My question is, can you do a AFR for a Pilot who has only been flying their RV4/6 etc which is in PVT category in their aircraft...or does it have to be conducted in an aircraft that is in AWK?

In which case, it would seem silly. I knew of an owner of an RV4 who flew nothing but his RV4s for the past 2 years but when he approached the local flying school made him do his AFR in a C152 (How stupid and totally contradicts the reason for having a AFR-safety)

If anyone could shed light on this (with reference to CARs/CAOs) I would appreciate it. Not interested in opinions, just facts!! Thanks :ok: