View Full Version : F-22 Raptor Crash in California
Benjybh
25th Mar 2009, 19:36
Reuters link: Lockheed F-22 fighter crashes in California | Markets | Markets News | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2543659220090325)
jwcook
25th Mar 2009, 21:16
Apparently its being reported as happening during a test flight, captive munitions flight test?, and the chase plane lost sight of it.
Hope the pilot made it out OK.
Cheers
DelaneyT
25th Mar 2009, 21:22
...initial news reports indicated it went down about 35 statute miles NE of Edwards AFB. That's near the old Cuddeback bombing-range in the Mojave Desert.
No word yet on the pilot. Expensive aircraft to lose... over $300,000,000 each {program-cost}.
fallmonk
25th Mar 2009, 21:52
Am i right in saying thats the first F-22 to be lost ?
not a claim to fame i would like to have or the bill for the AC ,
Hope the pilot is safe and well ! :ok:
Believe one crashed in 2004. The video is quite well known, showing the ac 'porpoising before crashing off the runay.
fallmonk
25th Mar 2009, 22:21
Yip i know of that one but wasnt that at YF-22? prototype,
wot i ment (badly worded) was is it the 1st in service crash??
Magic Mushroom
25th Mar 2009, 22:29
No. One bellied in at Nellis in around 2004 after the pilot banged out.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s127/Magic_Mushroom_photos/BentF-22.jpg
News Shooter
25th Mar 2009, 23:02
YouTube - f-22 raptor crash landing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faB5bIdksi8)
Magic Mushroom
25th Mar 2009, 23:07
NS, just to clarify, that footage is of the YF-22 loss.
News Shooter
25th Mar 2009, 23:49
Sorry, I didn't catch the distinction. My mistake.
G-CPTN
26th Mar 2009, 00:12
The air force said the crash was the second involving an F-22.
In the previous crash, which happened in December 2004 during the aircraft's test period, the pilot ejected safely.
(from:- BBC NEWS | Americas | Stealth jet crashes in US desert (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7964577.stm) )
jwcook
26th Mar 2009, 01:46
Its being reported the LM pilot killed was 49-year-old David Cooley.
Source (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/03/25/F22-crashes-in-California/1238030311.html)
RIP
free_hat
26th Mar 2009, 07:59
For clarification:
Crash 1: YF-22 Landing crash at Edwards Apr 02. PIO.
Crash 2: F/A-22 Take off crash at Nellis Dec 20 04. Gyro failure.
Crash 3: This one.
Also a couple of years ago they had a departure that over stressed the aircraft when penetrating a wake.
free_hat
26th Mar 2009, 08:51
Apolagies, had a typo, the first crash was 92, not 02.
That was the one caused by the PIO, the famous video you see everywhere.
Mmmmnice
27th Mar 2009, 09:42
Not related to the crash but.......has the F22 gained a nickname yet? 'Wobbly Goblin' has been taken, but it can only be a matter of time - perhaps when it's nearer the front line and not everyone in the loop is trying to sell it
Fatnfast
27th Mar 2009, 23:39
I`m pretty sure the second F22 crash wasn`t gyro failure, but something to do with the FCS not being live when the aircraft took off. Apparently the aircraft had a snag on the pan that necessitated engine shutdown, but the APU was started for electrical power. On engine re-start no electrical power wsa supplied to the FCS causing the crash.
jwcook
28th Mar 2009, 05:57
Are the F-22's all grounded now?, has anyone seen one in the air?
Cheers
navibrator
28th Mar 2009, 06:17
Are the F-22's all grounded now?, has anyone seen one in the air?
You can see them? Why do they cost so much then!
Double Zero
31st Mar 2009, 07:08
All modern fighters have various start modes, ranging ( in the case I knew, the Harrier GR5/7/9 with sub ' A ' models in between, from 'ground battery start, ground APU start, ground external power suppport & so on, quite a few different modes - with such a complicated electronic aeroplane as the F-22 one might do well to be a bit wary, even after test flights.
I've seen ( very good ) service Test Pilots flicking furiously through their notes in the hotel, and discussing such things with flight test engineers the evening before a day of test sorties, when the day ahead releasing / firing wapons was already enough on their plate wthout a different start routine - OK nothing like combat, but a different & almost as pervasive stress, having to put it bluntly to prove both the aircraft & themselves.
From what I've read & heard from truly great Test Pilots, a PIO is all too easy to get sucked into by modern FBW aircraft - we've seen the prototype F-22 video.
No idea what happened in this case, but let's say the results once discovered will pergulate through the fleet, meanwhile all my thoughts to families & friends.
Flap62
31st Mar 2009, 07:38
Pergulate? - Percolate?