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will fly for food 06
15th Jan 2009, 18:56
Hello.

I was trawling through Lasors on one of the many none flying days here last week and have a question.
I was interested in teaching IR rather then just the IMC. I understand this would involve changing locations as you can only teach the IR at an approved FTO. However, the question is regards the minimum IR time. Most of my IF has been actual IMC and not just in IFR so it counts as 4 hours for every one hour of actual IF i have flown. This puts me over the mininum time from lasors.

"Have flown at least 200 hours flight time in
accordance with Instrument Flight Rules (IFR), of
which up to 50 hours may be instrument ground time
in an approved flight simulator or FNPT II. Where
pilots have recorded flight by sole reference to
instruments and not under IFR then 1 hour of flight
by sole reference to instruments may be counted
as 4 hours flight by IFR."

When you look in the IRI(A) section of Lasors you get this:

"The applicant for an IRI(A) shall hold a valid IR(A).
b. Have completed at least 800 hours of flight
time under IFR of which at least 400 shall be in
aeroplanes. Where pilots have recorded flight by
sole reference to instruments and not under IFR,
then 1 hour sole reference to instruments may be
counted as 4 hours flight by IFR."


The last section states:

"The IRI(A) rating is designed to train instructors to teach
for the JAA IR within an approved FTO. In the UK, the
same (IRI) qualification course is also used to remove
the “No Applied Instrument Restriction” from a UK issued
Flight Instructor rating which may be used to teach for
the UK National IMC rating. The entry requirements for
the IRI course for removal of the “No Applied Instrument
Restriction” are detailed in Section H1.4 (Removal of No
Applied Instrument Restriction). The theoretical ground
training requirements shall be the same as those required
for the IRI qualification."

Am i reading this correctly? If i already hold an FI and an IR then i dont need 800 hours IF I only need 200?

Thanks in advance.

Simon150
15th Jan 2009, 21:50
Thats the way I read it. I am doing my FIC now and had the same question.

The IRI as far as I can tell is a rating in it's own right that allows you to teach IR and IMC, but presumably not PPLs....

The way I understand it is if you have an FI and IR, then you are already a good way into getting your 50H of actual IF on the basis that you will have done a number of hours for PPL, 10 hours for your CPL and whatever you did for your IR. It soon adds up!

2close
16th Jan 2009, 10:37
You also need an unrestricted FI(A) before you can do the course for removal of the 'No Applied Instruments' restriction.

Of course, this does not apply to the IRI(A) which is designed for persons who do not hold a FI(A) to teach for the IR(A) ONLY.

Also, should you wish to teach IMC only you only need to hold an IMCR and 10 hours IF experience, which you must have by virtue of the fact that you've completed the PPL(A) and the IMCR, if not the CPL(A).


FI(A) - Hold a IR(A) or IMCR plus 200 hours IFR or 50 hours IF

IRI(A) - Hold a IR(A) plus 800 hours IFR or 200 hours IF


However, there are no privileges conferred on the IRI(A) holder to teach for issue of the IMCR, although in practice I would very much doubt that this would ever be applied.

Danny boy
16th Jan 2009, 16:22
have you been offered a postion at a FTO,I am about to remove this applied instrument restriction as well..

will fly for food 06
16th Jan 2009, 17:50
Thank you for the answers. I have not been offered a job at an FTO. I am at a school that are planning to go down that route.

Danny boy
16th Jan 2009, 19:15
excellent... hope its goes well.:ok: