PPL Training in Aircraft Share

[paton400]

Hi, i was planning on getting my PPl then buying a share in an aircraft to build hours in.

But then i thot, why not buy the share first, and do the taining with it. It would save me a lot of money. My nearest flying school charge £140 + £40 for the instructor. So if i had a share in my own plane it would only be about £40-50 an hour plus £40 for the instructor.

Is this possible?
Has anyone done it before?

[tuscan]

You might find that insurance would be a problem. Most groups I know of have a 100 hours P1 minimum. (you might just have to up the premium)
Also groups might shy away from the idea of their pride and joy being used for training purposes and the possibility of rough use, hard landings etc.

[oli,_the_original]

Hi paton, I've got a feeling that you cannot learn in a group plane from memory? Also I think whatever you learn in will need a Public Transport CoA.

Personally, I'd go out and buy a cheap 150 that needs putting on an EASA CoA but with hours left on it, do your PPL, then either sell it/break it/do the work to put it on EASA yourself if you are mechanically capable and get it signed off.

Hope this helps,
Oli

[Justiciar]

You can learn on a shared aircraft but you need what used to be a Public C of A. Now with an EASA non expiring C of A you need the aircraft to be maintained to the standard which allows for Aerial Work. I did exactly that and the insurance was not huge. From memory, when we were six, insurance on a Cherokee 140 was about £1,500 per year. This allowed for ab inition training as well as advanced training such as night and IMC.

What you cannot do is train on a shared Permit aircraft; you have to own it outright.

[AndyGB]

I asked a similar question of the LAA back in Feb when I was looking at getting my SEP rating renewed on the group aircraft I was buying a share in and this is an extract from the reply

"Have researched the request and the answer is: once a licence is no longer valid, the LAA cannot renew that licence as we are only allowed to revalidate. Thus, the licence will have to be renewed at a club or school as they are not permitted to instruct on a permit aircraft. Once renewed, the licence can quite naturally be used for tailwheel training on the mentioned Auster. "

[Heliplane]

We had a new member join our small group who, at the time of joining, did not yet have a PPL.

Our insurers told us that the additional premium for someone with a PPL but less than 100 hours would only be about an additional 10% on top our usual insurance - very modest and reasonable. The did, however, mention that the premium would "rocket" if someone were to be insured to fly the plane pre-PPL - ie as a student.

On top of this, as a group, we would not have allowed primary training in our aircraft - hard landings, continuous power changes and rough training type handling is no good for the engine and certain avionics but, in our case, it was clear that the new member would not fly until he had his PPL and had undertaken a comprehensive checkout with an instructor very experienced with the type.

The insurance will be about 10% more than usual until he has 100 hours but he's agreed to pay this excess himself which has worked out very well.