Survivor BBC - Bell 407

[chopper2004]

Thought I saw on a preview of the next episode of Survivor, a Bell 407 G-OZAC in there?

[MartinCh]

Haven't realised the islands where they shoot Survivors (are we talking the team contest, or Born Survivor with Bear?) were just off the UK coast.

Is it in Irish Sea? Just point me in the right direction, my feet are freezing here this time of year. :hmm:

[ToTall]

Survivor - I try to survive every day.
Can I be on TV to then? :rolleyes:

[Whirlygig]

Survivor is a re-make of the 70s drama series where all but a few people are wiped out by a virulent disease (presumably contracted from a spectacularly dirty telephone!! sorry HHGTTG).

Cheers

Whirls

[MartinCh]

Whirlygig,
now I recall something about it on billboard.
I think we don't have to make up viral or bacterial disease thanks to recent events, you all know the stuff from news. Just not as lethal and contagious.

Why are people so obsessed with pandemic things, apocalyptic versions of the world, etc.. :ugh: Especially creating TV series..

Either way, having heli piloting skills and maintenance training could help make things easier in such times. Better get my assigments done so that I make it onto the course.

[heliwes]

Heli is N775SB not g-ozac.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/4/8/1422843.jpg

[helimutt]

Can someone explain how an N-reg aircraft gets to do commercial work in the UK then? Is it cos it's cheaper than using a CAA licensed pilot and G-reg a/c and associated costs etc?

[rjsquirrel]

helimutt,
I can explain it: The producers know what many folks in the UK don't - that the "extra safety" and extra cost to meet CAA regulations isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

Funny how CAA and EASA regs are used as a way to both create protective tariffs for a home market and screw the home operators and users, isn't it?

[Whirlygig]

I'm afraid rjsquirrel, that your explanation doesn't answer Helimutt's question unless you are aware of a loophole in the UK/JAA regs that allows foerign registered aircraft to undergo commercial work in the UK.It's unlikely that it would be classified as a private flight!

Cheers

Whirls

[helimutt]

:E:oh:

Wonder if it's worth asking the BBC how they did it?? LMAO

[Whirlygig]

Indpendent production company, I'm afraid! I wonder if anyone at the CAA has a penchant for feeble remakes of gritty 70s drama/sci-fi?

Cheers

Whirls

[VeeAny]

With regard to a foreign aircraft operating in the UK for money, ANO article 138 is the bit I think is relevant. Which amounts to get permission from the secretary of state (I think for transport) and off you go.

I don't know if thats what went on here, but it is going on in the UK now, with some European AOC holders.

Pracitcally I believe the permission comes from the DofT and the CAA don't have a great deal to do with it, but for being notified and having the right to check up on it (don't quote me on the last bit).

[birrddog]

Purely rumor and speculation.... and my bad memory...

I discussed the pro's and con's of buying a G-reg vs N-reg in London a few years ago with a local FBO, and the "answer" to how an N-reg aircraft could be used for commercial work was that the aircraft was hired out sans pilot, and the entity using the aircraft had to provide the pilot.

Throw in a special purpose company to be this middle man and bob's your N-reg flying uncle.

Sounded like to much hassle so didn't bother validating against the regs.

This was in ~ 1999.

Can anyone here comment if this was actually ever (or still is) the case?

[McGowan]

Would it be the same way N, VH and G and all of the others can operate in any country. Surely they can't say that you can't fly anything in a country unless it's registered there. Make it a bit hard to conduct international operations.................

[Forest Aviation]

DofT should receive requests from non EU registered aircraft operators to operate in the UK. DofT should then establish if any existing UK based operator is able to supply an aircraft that is capable and able to do the job. If they recive no replies from UK based operators then the foreign applicant can accept the work.

[helimutt]

So that would be a 'No you can't use that N-Reg a/c here for commercial work matey!' type answer?

[chopjock]

I do believe a company may use an "N" registered aircraft in the UK for it's own company business activities (corporate use etc), without permission from the DofT provided it isn't used for the purposes of "aerial work".:)

[Whirlygig]

It can as it's then classified as "private work"; however, filming is usually aerial work and if there are any actors or film crew on board, then it's public transport!

Cheers

Whirls

[krypton_john]

What rule allows all the various N, ZK, VH and other airliners to fly scheduled and charter flights in Europe?

[Whirlygig]

The rule explained in post #15?

Cheers

Whirls

[chopper2004]

heliwes

Do beg your pardon, when I did watch the episode I thought oops as i saw the N reg, :)

With regard to N reg a/c flying around UK and European airspace, I thought about 3 years back that EASA and JAA and our local CAA were going to wind down or not so much but discourage foreign reg A/C operating in UK airspace?

[ThomasTheTankEngine]

The CAA produce a leaflet aimed at pax with referance to illeagal charter, here is the link

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1196/20071015IllegalPublicTransportPRCampaign.pdf

it appears the DOT do have to be informed for foreign registered aircraft & AOC holders operating in the UK.

[DennisK]

Vee Any covered this item adequately.

Many of you out there will know that a couple of years back the CAA prosecuted me for flying an N reg MD 500 on PT work without D of T permission. Had I obtained permission - no prosecution on that item.

In court the CAA lawyer, said simply that HAD I asked for permission I would have got it and that there were no safety implications.

Court result: Case discharged by the Launceston magistrates but I was required to pick up £2,500 of CAA costs out of a requested £6,000.

Moral. Get D of T permission.

Dennis K