Where to get 30hours pic time on multi

[KFTW]

Hi,
Where can i get cheapest 30 hours on multi twin time in UK or USA?Can i do JAA ME instructor rating in USA?Any info please.

Best regards,

KFTW

[julian_storey]

It's almost certainly going to be cheaper in the States.

Only problem you might have is that some US flight schools will be reluctant to let you take a twin off on your own if you are very low on multi engine hours.

[WrongWayCorrigan]

Try FlyAviator (AriBen) in Florida. They sell hour building packages in a Duchess. You get paired up with another hour builder. Works out quite cheap.

[Whopity]

Except that you can then only claim half the hours! In the US both pilots claim the hours, the CAA are aware of this and don't accept it.

[KFTW]

Hi,

Thank you very much for reply.

Can i do JAA ME instructor rating in US?

Regards,
Kftw

[Whopity]

All the schools are listed here:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Organisations%20conducting%20Approved%20Training%2008-2008.pdf

[glush]

Probably the best value twin for hire in the UK.... the Duchess at Peterborough Conington (EGSF) in sunny Cambridgeshire. Google 'Flying Club Conington' and you'll find their contact details. You will save yourself hundreds of pounds!

[polohippo]

If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I also need the PIC hours (25) to meet the requirements. I am a JAA unrestricted FI, CPL, MULTI/IR. I also hold a stand alone FAA Single engine PPL and medical and am going to the States for 3 weeks over Christmas (Florida).

To build the hours in the USA I understand that I will need the Multi Add-on to my FAA PPL. Is this correct? Or can I get my JAA Multi converted and added on to my FAA by way of a paperwork exercise without a course and visa etc? The cost for the hours where I currently live and work will be 8750 euros (or 7000 pounds sterling).

Any ideas and thanks in advance?

Polohippo

[B2N2]

To build the hours in the USA I understand that I will need the Multi Add-on to my FAA PPL. Is this correct? Or can I get my JAA Multi converted and added on to my FAA by way of a paperwork exercise without a course and visa etc? The cost for the hours where I currently live and work will be 8750 euros (or 7000 pounds sterling).


If you have a US Restricted PPL based on a Foreign PPL, yes you can add the foreign ME rating to the license.

If you hold a independent US PPL (You have done a check ride with a US examiner) then no, you cannot add a foreign ME rating to a US license.

[Danny boy]

try Peterborough Conington really resonable rates:ok:

[portsharbourflyer]

30 hours at £227, still nearly 7000 pounds.

One suggestion would be if you could find a twin based near the coast and fly to over channel destinations, and then claim the tax drawback on the fuel.

[SR71-Blackbird]

>>It's almost certainly going to be cheaper in the States.<<

>>Probably the best value twin for hire in the UK.... the Duchess at Peterborough Conington (EGSF) in sunny Cambridgeshire. <<

>>One suggestion would be if you could find a twin based near the coast and fly to over channel destinations, and then claim the tax drawback on the fuel. << :DVery good advice


While the cost p/h or block time may be cheaper in the USA, unless you are going there for another reason other than flying, and then want to do flying when you're over there, you will most certainly be paying more in total - accomodation, flights etc.

Once the the total cost is apportioned over the hours flown, then the USA doesn't seem so attractive after all.

If you are prepared to travel to the USA to fly, try shopping around in the UK and you should be able to find a bargain without "having" to do all the hours in say, two weeks or so. Better, in the UK you'll be flying in "real weather" talking to UK controllers.

Connington prices p/h are good, however I fly a Seneca out of Coventry and have been able to get my p/h costs as low as £149 with strategic flying. I believe nowhere in the US can match or beat this price. Indeed the average US converted price works out about £160 - £175 p/h.
My average flight costs work out at £169 p/h

Flying a twin in the UK is expensive unless every flight is international and fuel drawback is claimed. On the seneca, thats £140 back in your pocket.

Having been to the States earlier this year and flown, I would say UK is best, which may not suit everyone, however I did enjoy the US experience but would try and do any future flying closer to home.

:ok:

[Nearly There]

Blackpool DA42, £170 monthly fee, then £100 per hour, do 10 hours a month thats a twin for £117 per hour!
The terms and conditions are flexible if you speak to the chap who owns it.

Link below, this is now up and running at Blackpool.

Aircraft Grouping No Equity Diamond DA42 Twinstar (http://www.aircraftgrouping.com/no_equity_diamond_da42.htm)

[Pace]

Your other option is to network around multi engine aircraft in the UK JAA or FAA and offer your services as a second pilot /safety pilot.

If the owner likes you he may let you do leg about and build your hours for free that way.

Pace

[catchmeflying]

Air America in Daytona Beach,Florida,USA allow you to fly solo on a duchess..all they need is a check out and about 10 hrs on the multi.The rates are aout $159 per hour incl fuel surcharges.

[Mikehotel152]

You always need to consider the cost of the flight to the States and the accommodation and car hire while you're out there.

[polohippo]

Ok so I have checked out the option of going to the USA (As I will be on holiday there over Christmas) and they say that I will need a visa to do training. However my new question is this. As I already hold an FAA SE PPL IR and JAA fATPL FI CPL SE/MULTI IR GRE, I just need to do the FAA ME flight test to get it added onto my FAA licence, will I need a visa for this as I will not actually doing any training just a test?

[Matthew Adams]

You need training as required - and trust me you won't just be taking a test - you will need some training to pass the test.

Training = visa.

The other alternative is to get your JAA Multi verified by the FAA then there would be no test therefore no training therefore no visa.