MANCHESTER - 6

[Rampmole]

Lufthansa Airbus 340-600 (a 2nd of type visit) D-AIHM called in for fuel early morning whilst operating Charlotte to Munich as DLH429. The aircraft is said to have crossed the Atlantic with undercarriage extended.It also had a full escort by the fire service before parking up.

[Ian Brooks]

A few questions re LH A340
Did it fly ex Charlotte with a known undercarriage locked down or did it refuse to retract on take off?
What sort of fuel burn over normal would the undercarriage have caused
because of drag and I presume flying at a lower level and lastly what what
would the extra flying time and speed have been?

Just out of interest as we were discussing this over a few beers last night

Ian

[mufc4evr]

hi guys,

i was wondering if there is a chance of wizz air ever coming to MAN and why are Fedex pulling out of MAN when there was talk to set up a bigish base here

[Ringwayman]

Wizz Air coming here may depend on the kind of deal that they brokered with LPL. If it's "exclusive northwest England", then I guess we can forget about it as they would have to negotiate with LPL to allow them to break the deal, and with easyJet having already done that, I expect LPL to deny them.

As for Fedex, who knows. The only two reasons could be that as they've operated here for a year, the discount scheme has come to an end and the higher charges are now making the route uneconomic or a combination of the new tax that's due to come into force where it's based on aircraft and not passenger, and high fuel charges (the latter having temporarily seen of some of our Chinese routes).

[nick b]

Does anybody know whether the nightstopping Finnair flight has been canned for the winter? I am due to fly on the morning AY936 in early December, this no longer appears on the AY website.

Thanks in advance.

[Musket90]

nick b

Confirm the Finnair nightstopper doesn't operate after 24th October. Not sure if it will return for next summer.

[TURIN]

Lufthansa Airbus 340-600 D-AIHM

Had problems getting the gear up ex Charlotte, eventually got it all stowed away after circling for an hour but had used too much fuel to make it direct to MUC. A quick div to MAN for a splash and dash. No drama but a nice suprise for all the spotters. :D

Big bugger innit. :8

[Scottie Dog]

Following on from postings in the previous thread my own research, via Sabre and internal contacts at the airport, only reveal that EY will be continuing to operate with A330-200 equipment.

Regards

Scottie Dog

[nick b]

Thanks for the info re Finnair Musket 90

[mufc4evr]

With Easyjet switching some orders from the A319 to the A320 do you think that this is due to good yields with the GB 320s ex Man and LGW

[Ringwayman]

might be more to do with the GT A320s don't have the same engine as the A319s, so ordering them means engine commonality. I wonder how they will configure the A320 though, as they've got 156 seats on a A319?

On an unrelated note, Manchester Airport Group may now seek to buy Glasgow and not Gatwick according to media.

[spannersatcx]

Greatwall returning 2x a week in Sept and CX increasing by another 3 per week in Oct.

[jongeman]

CX increasing by 3 per week no doubt because it's Christmas-tat importation season........no sign of a passenger service with full freight then.

[MUFC_fan]

According to the main spotter forum for MAN, Fedex wil finish their CDG-MAN-MEM and GLA feeder soon.

[AircraftOperations]

FDX finishing next Thursday, is what I heard.

Where does all that freight go now? STN, GLA???

[hardcase]

FDX feeder will operate MAN-CDG-MAN from Sept 15th..using ATR72

Also feeder will operate MAN-STN-BHX-CDG-BHX-MAN from Sept 1st..using ATR72

[Fuel Boy]

FX feeder flights
From 1st-12th sept will be 3 a day Dep. 0550, 1840, 2150.

From 15th sept down to 2 flights Dep. 1840, 2150

Fuel Boy

[hardcase]

the 0555 departure is the MAN-GLA service thats been removed from our schedule...shame

the 2150 is the MAN-CDG, and the MAN-STN leaves at 2105....which flight leaves at 1840, not one of Air Contractors

[VFR Transit]

Can anyone confirm if the Celeb Air is still at Manchester, or has it moved down to Gatwick already?

VFR

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Its in Gatwick.

[Dr Illitout]

Thank god for that

Rgds Dr I

[G-STAW]

exactly they can have it!!


anyone know when SQ and EK are moving to T1?


G-STAW

[TURIN]

Dunno, but I have it on good authority that QR will be moving to T1 within 2 years. It's a rolling program so don't hold your breath.

[Manchester Exile]

According to today's Sydney Morning Herald, Stansted is their preference. But Ringway is an alternative option.

AirAsia X to fly to Australia-UK route next year - News - Travel - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/airasia-x-to-fly-to-australiauk-route-next-year/2008/08/22/1219262477926.html)

[scrapy]

Jet 2 have announced weekly flights to Olbia (Sardinia) starting 2nd May 2009

[Bagso]

Just out of interest have Fed Ex decreased any STN servicies...:ugh:

[hardcase]

no, same service at STN with Fedex but from Nov until Christmas there is an additional feeder service to CDG and BHX-STN-MAN service....

[MUFC_fan]

If you read a very popular Aviation magazine, you will see the interview with the AirAsia boss who says that they want to link London up 1st.

[MUFC_fan]

MAG seem to be looking to buy a couple of the BAA airports.

Could we see MAG grow bigger than BAA in the years to come and could MAG become the new BAA in ripping people off?

Certainly would break the BAA strangle hold that is has over the city of London but would MAG become a bigger force on the national stage?

[G-STAW]

hi,

heres MAN latest moves.....

-Air blue add 5 flights a week

- PK reducing, plus change rerouting ISB-MAN-IST-ISB (15/08-22/08) plus moving some ops to leeds....

- SQ reducing to 5x weekly

- SV reducing to 1x weekly, averaging 30+ pax per flight

- SQ obviously moving to T1 with QR(within 2 years)

- TOM/FCA reducing by 15 aircraft next summer

and probably the biggest rumor yet.....


EK anticipate bring A380 sometime in September after its US tour as long the taxiways are suitable....

you heard it here first!

G-STAW

[Ringwayman]

Do you mean airblue going to 12 a week? PK have already started LBA ops.


SV's "30 passengers a flight" is quite interesting seeing that the CAA's provsional figures for June shows 1013 passengers to Jeddah and 790 to Riyadh i.e 1803 passengers in total which, at the published frequency of 2 a week (9 services = 18 flights) gives an average of 100 per flight.

I severerly douby TOM is dropping 15 aircraft at MAN. 5 or 6 perhaps, 15 for the entire combined operations throughout the country

SQ going 5 weekly is old hat. They claim it's down a "temporary measure due to the seasonal nature" and will aim to get it back to daily again next summer

[viscount702]

Again SV were earlier showing a reduction to 1x week they are now showing 2x Week as before.

I would not seem that they are reducing after all

Viscount

[Ian Brooks]

I`m sure I read somewhere that one of the Saudi was to go non-stop this winter

Ian

[BombardierCR7]

PIA ISB via IST for a short period due to returning of illegal Pakistani immigrants in Turkey back to Pakistan.

Further shift to LBA expected by PIA, but complicated by the lack of available A310's, so nothing is cast in stone at this stage.

[BDLBOS]

I would not be so sure about SQ going back daily. I also believe that the actual translation of "seasonal requirements or lack of aircraft" from Slingish to English is "we will see how the 380 is doing out of LHR. If we need to fill on certain days, then those poor smucks that used the MAN flight won't mind loosing more rotations. They would much prefer to transfer at LHR to fly the 380 anyway, even if it is a dump (LHR) and their bags will get lost". Sorry this ex freq flyer will not - 3 days without my case last time was the end.

Sad state of affairs, but unfortunately I have been bull$hited by SQ UK and USA too many times now!

[zfw]

"EK anticipate bring A380 sometime in September after its US tour as long the taxiways are suitable...."

Fraid not, am working on 777 being moved across to T1 next March, and A380 2010 sometime, will also be a 2 class aircraft so approx 660 seating.

you heard it here first!

zfw

[G-STAW]

I severerly douby TOM is dropping 15 aircraft at MAN. 5 or 6 perhaps, 15 for the entire combined operations throughout the country

sorry thats what i meant, they're deffinatly getting rid of the 733's from MAN.


Fraid not, am working on 777 being moved across to T1 next March, and A380 2010 sometime, will also be a 2 class aircraft so approx 660 seating.


i said itwas a long shot.....




btw all the above was straight from servisair head boss, just passing on.


G-STAW

[mickyman]

G-STAW

So the only NEW piece of infomation in your post is about AirBlue
adding five rotations (?) and thats yet to be confirmed!

Hardly worth it.....................

MM

[TURIN]

Hardly worth it.....................


Well Manchester 6 didn't take long to turn into a p1ssing contest didi it? Jeeeezus!:rolleyes:

[Pin Head]

why ek and sq moving to T1?

[MUFC_fan]

Anyway plan of FR moving to T3 anytime soon?

Also, what about the charters in T1? Will TCX be moving over shortly? Will MON go to T2 and ZB T3 or will they both go to T2?:confused::confused::confused:

[de Payen]

mufc4evr - to answer your question regarding Fedex. They're sick and tired of all the militant workers there, enginering and ground ops especially, whose only purpose in life is to cause misery to airlines and passengers :eek:

[StoneyBridge Radar]

de payen

Fighting talk, indeed, and quite the Pandora's box you've opened.

Care to elaborate?

[Irish Grinch]

TCX will not be moving over shortly or in the future.

[de Payen]

No not really, it should be quite well known that the MAN base in general has more than its fair share of militant employees, notably by factions still present from the 1980's who, seem to infiltrate and manipulate the most recent, modern and entusiastic airlines. I speak from personal experience of this since the days of Dan-Air where martyrdom was rife and has weedled its way into current times and airport operations.

[MUFC_fan]

TCX will not be moving over shortly or in the future.


I thought it was going to be:

T1 Scheduled
T2 Charter
T4 LCC?

[G-STAW]

thats the five years master plan, btw CSA to pull from man in october.


Hardly worth it.....................


i though this thread is about "manchester news", must be wrong....

G-STAW

[Suzeman]

btw CSA to pull from man in october.


Still bookable for the winter season on their website.

Suzeman

[EGCC4284]

G-STAW

sorry thats what i meant, they're deffinatly getting rid of the 733's from MAN.

When did you hear this.

I am based at Man on that fleet and the last I heard about 3 weeks ago is that there is going to be 2 300's and 3 800's. 5 737'2 in total. Heard it from our engineers who were told this last month.

Would like to know when and where you heard different

Rob

[G-STAW]

CSA have let us known they are pulling out.

in regards to the TOM 733's, i heard this last week from a tom rep i was speaking too. She said they'll be rendered useless when the merger fully comes into force????. she also said theyre spreading them out over the rest of the TOM network.

ill try and get futher info for you.


G-STAW

[DAr19]

Hi. I read that PIA once applied for fifth freedoms to sell JFK tickets from Manchester is that right?

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regionalfifths_casestudy7.pdf

How did they get on, anyone know?

[G-STAW]

im sure you can buy tickets for MAN-JFK with PIA but only through travel agencies though?

[DAr19]

You wouldn't happen to know where I can get on one? I'd love to use them

[Playamar2]

They aren't pulling out , but reducing to 7 per week. No flight on Saturday and 2 on Thursday, according to their website.

[eggc]

The airport will shut for 15 minutes on the nearest two Saturdays to November 5 so families living nearby can hold their annual displays !

[G-STAW]

hamburg international to base 2 a319 for the winter season

G-STAW

[Ringwayman]

AF is, according to one periodical, going to use EMB195s on AF2568/AF2569 from the winter timetable, and from March replacing an A320 with an A321 on the "mid-morning" flight. THe only mid-morning AF flighit I can remember was the discontinued AF1968/AF1969, so perhaps they mean AF1668/AF1669 which may be retimed slightly?

SkyEurope is expected to keep their Kosice run at 3 a week during the winter.

[viscount702]

What are these two A319's going to be doing over the winter months

[EGCC4284]

And is there any chance you can tell me the name of this TOM rep

[G-STAW]

What are these two A319's going to be doing over the winter months


I know nothing more than that, soon as i get more info on this ill let you know.


And is there any chance you can tell me the name of this TOM rep


Dont know her name, i wouldnt post it on here anyway, but she origionally worked for FCA, shes a duty manager now

G-STAW

[Rampmole]

Crain's Manchester Business (http://www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080826/FREE/877321/1162/-/-/airport-jobs-under-threat-in-handling-firms-squeeze)

[Old Grey]

They're sick and tired of all the militant workers there, enginering and ground ops especially, whose only purpose in life is to cause misery to airlines and passengers :eek:

And these miserable passengers that you speak of would be Fedex passengers, would they? :suspect:

[G-STAW]

They're sick and tired of all the militant workers there, enginering and ground ops especially, whose only purpose in life is to cause misery to airlines and passengers http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gif


the biggest amout of crap posted in a long time, if you dont know the real reason, then leave it out, its not nessescary.

BTW theres alot of people who are on here in ground ops, and engineers for that matter, and they do a fantastic job, its the small amount of idiots that bring their title down.

G-STAW

[de Payen]

I agree entirley G-STAW. Part of my original quote is below and like you said it is the minority that always spoil for the rest. It is my understanding that Flybe are suffering with the militancy of engineers, flight and cabin crew who may i add are ex BA and originated from Dan Air. It is these martyrs that spoil it for the rest, as an example.

notably by factions still present from the 1980's who, seem to infiltrate and manipulate the most recent, modern and entusiastic airlines.

[G-STAW]

Hello,

In regards to Hamburg International basing two A319's at MAN. They are picking up the old AEU program by looks of it by doing BJL and SID routes.

And CSA are diffinatly stopping for the winter, they have been pondering handling contracts mind, but yes they are deffinatly staying for now.


G-STAW

[Mr A Tis]

G-STAW
Make your mind up !!
At the moment CSA bookable on line right through the winter.

[G-STAW]

hey,

dont blame me, CSA sent a letter of intent at the end of last month, but have withdrawn it. welcome to the aviation industry! :}

G-STAW

[ERETHERE]

It's obvious here at Manchester that Flight Support may be in the s:mad:t.

Constantly asking for the use of other companies equipment, their equipment is never working. I understand they had only two servicable baggage belts the other day. They even had difficulty getting credit to CAP one of their cars. Not a good situation if you ask me. Plus there is rumours of VLM dropping aircraft and crew and Flybe seem to have dropped their amount of flights. Will Mr Turner be dropping Flight Support as a bad investment and moving on?

Staff moral seems very low, especially as staff haven't had a pay rise in years! Come on Flight Support, look after your staff

[Suzeman]

And CSA are diffinatly stopping for the winter, they have been pondering handling contracts mind, but yes they are deffinatly staying for now.

and then


dont blame me, CSA sent a letter of intent at the end of last month, but have withdrawn it. welcome to the aviation industry! http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif



G-STAW

So who else is to blame when YOU come out with the statement at the top which is totally and DEFINITELY contradictory? You say they are stopping and then in the next breath you say they are staying :ugh:

Suzeman

[mickyman]

Re:G-STAW

Hey come on you guys........

Its usually me who pulls the wings off of this geezer!!

ha ha

MM

[MUFC_fan]

So who else is to blame when YOU come out with the statement at the top which is totally and DEFINITELY contradictory? You say they are stopping and then in the next breath you say they are staying :ugh:


By stopping for the winter, he doesn't mean STOPPING the schedule, he means stopping as in not going anywhere.

Atleast that is how I see it.

[ManofMan]

I think by stopping he means not going anywhere as in i will be "stopping in tonight"

Not difficult really ...

[G-STAW]

I think by stopping he means not going anywhere as in i will be "stopping in tonight"

Not difficult really ...



By stopping for the winter, he doesn't mean STOPPING the schedule, he means stopping as in not going anywhere.

Atleast that is how I see it.



Finally some guys talking sense....



So who else is to blame when YOU come out with the statement at the top which is totally and DEFINITELY contradictory? You say they are stopping and then in the next breath you say they are staying :ugh:

Suzeman



I first said CSA are pulling out on the 25/08, then i got told they have withdrawn there intention so i posted this on 27/08. thats 2 whole days, it wasnt straight after eachother like you said! not sure if you know but things change very fast in this industry...



Hey come on you guys........

Its usually me who pulls the wings off of this geezer!!

ha ha

MM




please refrain from making childish comments, i know this forum is awash with people like you.....

G-STAW

[MidnightMoonlight]

all people do on these threads is argue :confused::bored:

[TURIN]

Oh no they don't. :\

[Jet22]

Onur what is wrong with there Dalman flights recently. A friend of mine went out on the 1030 DLM service yesterday and she was delayed till quarter past five. Today the flight is even worse and is delayed till nine o'clock tonight.

And also what operated the 1030 DLM service yesterday could it off been a A300 that went tech in DLM

[mickyman]

G-STAW

So im following the logic of your response and will
now wait till the 29/8 - to give you enough time to
change your mind again.

Is that okay?

PS. I always find that rumours where the poster is
right at the heart of service decisions can sometimes
lead to false/inacurate/wide-boy opinions passing
as 'gospel' - namely your posts.

PPS. It must be a challenge having everybody running up to
you and telling you their airlines latest news - how do you
cope?

MM

[sparkysam]

hi all lets get back to proper debating of matters at mcr and stop all this backbiting am on delta to atlanta on thursday next has t2 improved since late march cheers all sparky

[TURIN]

Jesus, Sparkysam! Punctuate will you, please? I turned green reading your last post. :ok:

By the way isn't Manchester MAN not mcr? :confused:

[MUFC_fan]

Yes. MAN is Manchester, UK.

Does anybody know if we will see an increase in flights from AirTransat, Globsepan or Thomas Cook? Maybe even see the return of AC!:eek:

[jubilee]

MAN = Manchester Airport.
MCR = City of Manchester.
Regards,
Jubilee

[MUFC_fan]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Delta are to launch flights from Manchester City Airport(formally Barton Aerodrome) twice daily with the Boeing 777-200 aircraft.:rolleyes:

MAN is the forum not the city. PLEASE can we use the codes properly if we are to use them please.

[pwalhx]

You assume that Mcr was used to refer to an airport code, many people from the city like myself abbreviate Manchester to Mcr. Had that occured to you all.

[MUFC_fan]

Anybody know anymore information about the new airline from the airport next year - Thomson Airways, and what are the reductions going to be from the airport?

P.S. MAN isn't in 'Mcr.'

[pwalhx]

Manchester Airport straddles the boundaries of at least 3 areas, part is within the city of Manchester, part the borough of Trafford and part the county of Cheshire last i remember

[G-STAW]

G-STAW

So im following the logic of your response and will
now wait till the 29/8 - to give you enough time to
change your mind again.

Is that okay?

PS. I always find that rumours where the poster is
right at the heart of service decisions can sometimes
lead to false/inacurate/wide-boy opinions passing
as 'gospel' - namely your posts.

PPS. It must be a challenge having everybody running up to
you and telling you their airlines latest news - how do you
cope?

MM



you really arnt getting it are you? ok actually i should refrain from posting internal matters as SOME information COULD lead to just rumors, whats this site called again?



PPS. It must be a challenge having everybody running up to
you and telling you their airlines latest news - how do you
cope?


you have outdone yourself again, another idiotic statement please get a life and grow up!


Anybody know anymore information about the new airline from the airport next year - Thomson Airways, and what are the reductions going to be from the airport?


Thomson and first choice are still in the early stages of integration. All FCA/TOM flights are being operated by mixed TOM and FCA crew, they are having a few teething problems.The first aircraft will be painted "in new livery" around may 1st 2009.

The current figures bouncing around is that all 733's will go from MAN plus a few 757/767's, the exact figure is yet to be determined.

G-STAW

[chiglet]

The "MCR" is [or was] the NDB on the airfield. :ok:
watp,iktch

[FL370 Officeboy]

Wasn't that the MCH 428.0 ??

[Suzeman]

P.S. MAN isn't in 'Mcr.'

Manchester Airport straddles the boundaries of at least 3 areas, part is within the city of Manchester, part the borough of Trafford and part the county of Cheshire last i remember


The whole of the Manchester Airport site lies within (or should that be stops within) the City of Manchester, except the bit of 05R/23L to the west of the Bollin River which is in Macclesfield Borough, Cheshire. The Trafford Boundary stays North and West of the M56 and always has.

The old South Side Hangars and some of the airfield used to be in Cheshire as the County Boundary ran through the middle of the airfield - however that was changed - I think in the 1980s? - and the boundary amended to follow the security fence so the whole airfield was in Manchester.

When R2 opened, with the Cheshire/Manchester boundary running along the Bollin Valley to the west, some of the airport territory was once again in Cheshire.

I wonder if there are any current moves afoot to once again align the Manchester Boundary along the security fence so the Airport land is once again wholly within the control of Manchester City Council? :}

Suzeman

[ryansf]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but since the collapse of Zoom, does anyone know which carrier is going to operate the ski charter (Weds/Sat) to Calgary this winter? (If it's been decided yet...)

[AUTOGLIDE]

I agree entirley G-STAW. Part of my original quote is below and like you said it is the minority that always spoil for the rest. It is my understanding that Flybe are suffering with the militancy of engineers, flight and cabin crew who may i add are ex BA and originated from Dan Air. It is these martyrs that spoil it for the rest, as an example.



Really? That's odd because FLYBe's Engineers tend to be from MANX. Those who are EX-BA are generally not old enough to be from DAN Air, which became defunct about 500 years ago. Total, utter, garbage posting.

[Playamar2]

Manchester has been voted the worst airport in the country for delays at Passport control by passengers according to ukairportdelays.co.uk.
According to the disgruntled passengers, Manchester Airport is the worst place in the UK to fly home to because of the passport problems. A quote from the Manchester Evening News: ‘Every time I arrive back at Manchester the delays at immigration are unbelievable. They are usually understaffed and a wait of about 30 to 40 minutes is the norm’

I haven't witnessed any long delays myself when arriving at Manchester as I've been fortunate recently to arrive at a relatively quiet time. Perhaps that is the problem with a rush of flights in a terminal for an hour then nothing the next hour. Do the Immigration Officers move between the teminals during their shift as demand requires?

[Ametyst1]

This web-site is quite unrelaible as the data inputed cannot be verified. About a year ago there were some strange figures for delays put on this web-site for both Manchester and Liverpool Airports. The resultant figures showed that both Liverpool and Manchester were the worst for security/immigration/baggage delays in the UK.

Liverpool Airport investigated and found the an individual was making several entries each day even though it was inpossible to fly through the airport that many times in a day

On one occasion the poster had claimed a 40-minute queue for security (CCTV showed it was 12 minutes) at 06:30 in the morning and then the poster claimed to arrived back at Liverpool Airport at 08:35 (45-minute delay for immigration and 35-minute wait for baggage). It was a false claim as it is impossible to depart on a flight from Liverpool after 06:30 and arrive back at Liverpool at 08:35. On the day in question there were no delays at immigration or baggage reclaim at that time as no flights had arrived.

Several similar postings were posted on other days for both Manchester and Liverpool. Sounds like someone with a grudge.

[EI-BUD]

Ametyst1

I was reading your last post. The comment that you made saying that it is impossible to depart at 0630 and arrive back at 0835. Well if the passenger was flying Liverpool/Dublin/Liverpool on the FR443 at 0630 and arriving back into Liverpool on the FR442 at 0835, this would be possible, however, who would want to do this? Could be a Ryanair employee on Staff travel who is doing a flight for pleasure?? But they wouldn't have any luggage.

Bizarre one!

[Ametyst1]

And they would not have time to re-board the flight at Dublin now that arriving and departing passengers are segregated on Pier D where Ryanair now operate from

[MANFlyer]

- SQ obviously moving to T1 with QR(within 2 years)

Not so sure where you get 'obviously' from, although you give yourself a better chance of being right by saying 'within 2 years'. I'll have to try that one myself...

There is nothing confirmed about SQ moving to T1. All that's happened is they have been asked - again - would they move to T1. It is worth noting they have knocked this request back a number of times over the last few years.

[fimbles]

My mate who had his family ski trip from Manchester booked on Zoom got called by Neilson and offered money back, Air Canada from LHR or Monarch from LGW......judging by that I'd say no-one has taken it up yet, although as an employee of Thomas Cook he has heard a little 'rumour' of A330 doing it (MyTravel as was)

[G-STAW]

Not so sure where you get 'obviously' from, although you give yourself a better chance of being right by saying 'within 2 years'. I'll have to try that one myself..



Qatar within two years, not SQ




There is nothing confirmed about SQ moving to T1. All that's happened is they have been asked - again - would they move to T1. It is worth noting they have knocked this request back a number of times over the last few years.



MAN have said they want all shedules to T1 with 4 years, see what happens...

G-STAW

[FlyZB]

The queue for immigration was back to gate 22 late last Tuesday evening, as well as down the stairs at gate 20 arrivals. Whilst spending my time apologising to many unhappy passengers, I happened to speak to a number of well travelled individuals who informed me that they've seen a similar scenario, and in some cases alot worse, at other UK airports. Luton & Stansted were mentioned numerous times amongst others. The new government guidelines on entry requirements and the need to scan passports is slowing everything down. On this occasion there were 6 arrivals in total, over 1000 pax trying to get through immigration all at once is a recipe for disaster. The current setup cannot cope with that volume of passengers and that can be said for T2 as well. But what can you do? Change the schedules so that arrivals are staggered? Redevelop the immigration area to accomodate more people? All but one of the desks were manned so on this occasion it wasn't a staffing issue. Ultimately it can also be concluded that you are going to get a higher percentage of angry passengers at the arrivals stage than at departures. People are tired after a long flight, unhappy to be back home after a relaxing holiday and are not high spirited like departing passengers. Therefore it makes sense that you are going to get a greater number of complaints regarding the immigration process.

As a side note, I also agree that the above mentioned website is inaccurate. There have been recent complaints on there stating that the queue for security in T1 exceeded an hour. I can tell you that since the new OBC opened, the security queue has not exceeded 30 minutes and over 20 mins has been a rarity.

[ManofMan]

So im following the logic of your response and will
now wait till the 29/8 - to give you enough time to
change your mind again.

Is that okay?

PS. I always find that rumours where the poster is
right at the heart of service decisions can sometimes
lead to false/inacurate/wide-boy opinions passing
as 'gospel' - namely your posts.

PPS. It must be a challenge having everybody running up to
you and telling you their airlines latest news - how do you
cope?

MM

What a complete and utter 100 % bonified class 1 professional TOSSPOT.

If you have nothing constructive to add then please concentrate on doing your homework, we both know that if you dont get some "A's" in your forthcoming GCSE's then your mummy will be most cross.

Now toddle off back to wherever it is you reside and find a large rock to hide under.

[MANFlyer]

MAN have said they want all shedules to T1 with 4 years, see what happens...

That's a bit different to the previous statement that they are 'obviously' moving over. ;)

As I said, they have asked SQ would they move over a few times now, and each time they said no. This was due to them being less than impressed with the state of T1.

They may well move over eventually, I think they will, as they have asked a few regular pax about it (and MAN have been telling them about getting a mini *A hub going over there) but as it stands at this moment, they are not.

[andy mach 1]

FlyBe are introducing once weekly Sunday flight to Friedrichshafen to cater for the skiing fraternity. Flights start mid December.

[mickyman]

Manofman

"What a complete and utter 100 % bonified class 1 professional TOSSPOT.

If you have nothing constructive to add then please concentrate on doing your homework, we both know that if you dont get some "A's" in your forthcoming GCSE's then your mummy will be most cross.

Now toddle off back to wherever it is you reside and find a large rock to hide under."

Read your own posts before you comment

mm

[MAN777]

The Birmingham thread has a rumour that Air India is to cease flights in October from BHX ?

Could MAN be a recipient of a new Air India service ?

[ManofMan]

Read your own posts before you comment

Well MM, some(most) would argue that my post was constructive, afterall it put you in you place....something i never get tired of seeing !!

Reading back, most of your posts lack information and seem only to try to rubbish and pick holes in other peoples posts, posters that are genuinly trying to pass rumours accross a rumour board. All your posts do is try top stir up trouble by nit picking at others posts.

Why ??

[Betablockeruk]

Mickyman/Manofman

Please give it a break and take your fight off-group. Not sure why you both want the internet masses to observe your squabble. I just want to read something relevant to Manchester Airport business progression/regression.

Many thanks

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Cut each other a bit of slack guys.

He does have a point in that some newer posters on here seem to enjoy their "insider" role, who rush home from shift just to post what they'd been told by a friend who knows someone who they can't name who is the manager of leaking toilets in Terminal One, which invariably turns out to be false rumour or just wishful thinking.

It doesn't take Einstein to see that those really in the know on PPRUNE tend to keep schtum until something is about to be officially released.

It's basic wheat and chaff; all you need is a huge rake to remove the crap, because once that's done, the quality posts are still there. :ok:

[Suzeman]

Well said Mr Stoneybridge :ok:

Now then, B777 said

The Birmingham thread has a rumour that Air India is to cease flights in October from BHX ?

Could MAN be a recipient of a new Air India service ?

If you read that thread, particularly a post from OltonPete, you will see that AI look like re-trenching in the UK, dropping BHX and possibly LHR-JFK. They are getting 777LR which allows more India - North America non stops which is basically what the BHX flight is (onward to YYZ).

In addition it would appear that they are looking at MUC as a European hub rather like Jet have set up at BRU. If all this is corect and they can't make BHX work with a massive local market, I would very much doubt whether they would even look at MAN. However, and unlike some others on this thread, I would be delighted to be proved wrong ....:cool:

On another tack, the August figures are already available on the airport website and don't make good reading. Movements down 10%, pax by 4.5% and freight by 20% :{ I'm surprised they have appeared so quickly, but there again there is less to count. :}

12-month moving average is Movements -6%, Pax -1% and Freight still +2%

Suzeman

[ManofMan]

I am not suprised with the freight figure one bit.

With the amount of airlines that pulled it was always going to happen, these will start to re-commence so that figure is only a temp blip and should not be read into too much.

[Tight Seat]

Does anyone know what stopped inbounds this afternoon @1400l. ATC said something about a high priority aircraft.

Cheers

DAYNE holding

[MUFC_fan]

Could the UK departure tax have something to do with the airline choosing continental bases over bases in the UK?

[Tight Seat]

Bit harsh closing the airfield for UK departure tax. That G Brown has a lot to answer for:mad:

[eggc]

Does anyone know what stopped inbounds this afternoon @1400l. ATC said something about a high priority aircraft.

The Police helicopter was the culprit, operating over Stockport and blocking the aproach - nowt more exciting i'm afraid.

[MUFC_fan]

Sorry, I meant Jet and other Eastern airlines having European bases on the continent rather than in the UK, maybe it is something to do with the departure tax that is currently in place.

350PAX x £10 = £3500 which is a lot of money to use everyday!

[al446]

We were on inbound Thomson flight from Dubrovnik, all we were told that it was 'a security operation', fortunately not in holding for too long. We were told they had to start taking traffic as many aircraft had been holding for too long.
If EGGC is right, and I don't doubt it, perhaps the local constabulary could look at other ways of nicking crims.

[ACCMan]

GMP needed to fly the Islander over the 23 approach due to a hot pursuit / moving target. Unfortunately the low cloud base required the aircraft to operate at a lower level and this affected inbound MAN traffic. Due to the nature of the incident, a ground pursuit was not possible.

An inbound Jet2 733 couldn't wait and diverted to LBA for a splash-n-dash. Must be that Ryanair-type fuel policy again!!!!

[undw]

Anyone know how many passengers Zoom carries through Manchester?

[Tight Seat]

ZOOM=0 pax

[yeoman]

Re Thomson and G-STAWs response:

There are no teething problems regarding the operation (a few arguments re pensions though!:}). That is all done an dusted. Cabin Crew about to start intergration for May 09. Uncertain as to if FCA CC will operate 737 as there is heated discussion there too. All the arguments get left on the aircraft steps though.:ok:

Currently mixed FCA / TOM Flight Deck crew on 756 only although first batch of FCA pilots about to start 73 conversion.

IIRC, there will be 5 less airframes which I believe will be -2 X 737, -2 X 757 and -1 X 767. That is all subject to change. Latest rumoured change is actually more 73s.

No more rumours about it not working or whole fleets being dumped from bases - both are way off the mark:=:rolleyes:

[G-STAW]

Re Thomson and G-STAWs response:

There are no teething problems regarding the operation (a few arguments re pensions though!http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/badteeth.gif). That is all done an dusted. Cabin Crew about to start intergration for May 09. Uncertain as to if FCA CC will operate 737 as there is heated discussion there too. All the arguments get left on the aircraft steps though.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif


That was the latest info i had, glad its got sorted.


Currently mixed FCA / TOM Flight Deck crew on 756 only although first batch of FCA pilots about to start 73 conversion.



are these some of the A320 guys going over to the 737?


IIRC, there will be 5 less airframes which I believe will be -2 X 737, -2 X 757 and -1 X 767. That is all subject to change. Latest rumoured change is actually more 73s.

No more rumours about it not working or whole fleets being dumped from bases - both are way off the mark:=:rolleyes:



You probably know more than me about the cutbacks, it does looked like things have changed alot since last month. i do think the 737's will go, especially with the A320's +737-800 still based at MAN, them alone should cover the 733's winter and summer 09 schedules.

Also the above cuts look to be minimal, my company expected it to be more servere.


cheers for the info, much appriciated,

G-STAW

[yeoman]

G-STAW

I owe you an apology as I misread your first post, reading 737 rather than 733. I'm not sure if all the 733s are going but certainly the mix will be 738 heavy at MAN.

Some of the crews coming onto the 73 are coming off the Airbus and some from the 756. The way it works is that you bid for a base/rank/type mix, the base being the first bit looked at so it doesn't neccessarily follow that all the Airbus guys will go on the 73 because they may have bid for a base that needs 756 guys in that rank. I think the majority will though because the 756 fleet is shrinking and the 73 growing (or perhaps shrinking less fast!). It is all part of the long term gear up to become a 737 / 787 airline, if the Tupperware Jet ever gets going that is. Down about 10 airframes by this time next year from May this year as "synergies" following the merger are realised and a slight drop in Long Haul -v- a slight rise in Mid Haul.

The first of the latest batch of 73 transition courses starts next week. More 73s are due next year (TBC) but they will be replacement airframes rather than growing the fleet. The 735s are still on the books but mothballed, some of the 733s are getting tired (as am I getting tired of flying them - sheds). The 738 is the way ahead. A very nice aeroplane to fly.

No real changes at MAN regarding routes AFAIAA

[G-STAW]

thankyou for the detailed reply.

Seems like a complicated time for the crews, it looks like some pilots could be downsizing their type for a specific base. might see some testing times as some might go straight for the widebody bases.....we'll see.

think we might see some A320 guys who are wanting to stay on type go over to monrch or even easyjet? i know TOM have better T's & C's but....

i am a lover of the 733, glad theyre replacing them with newer frames. G-THOK springs to mind......

its actually ben a pritty bad day for you guys, a 767-200 turned back, plus a 737-800 had a lightening strike early this morning, only going out at 7pm tonight, very unfortunate...


regards,

G-STAW

[yeoman]

Yeah, looks like a busy winter for the 73 Training Dept! About 100 Type Conversions to do. The Trg Head Shed seem to have a workable plan though. Whether that survives contact with Rostering remains to be seen. A few of the younger guys are sniffing around other airlines, don't really know about the Airbus people as I rarely come into contact with them. Also, about 80 odd are leaving on a Voluntary Redundancy scheme - no idea of the demographic of that.

Bad days happen. I had no idea as I was head down at home writing 737 course material! The good thing is that when it goes belly up the bods in LTN really get a grip.

You seem well informed? You Blue or Pink (in which case I've been wasting my time as you will know all this anyway!!!)

[Vuelo]

So where are Hamburg Intl going to fly to from MAN with their two based A319s this winter?

[G-STAW]

They are picking up the old AEU program by looks of it by doing BJL and SID routes.

[G-STAW]

Yeah, looks like a busy winter for the 73 Training Dept! About 100 Type Conversions to do. The Trg Head Shed seem to have a workable plan though. Whether that survives contact with Rostering remains to be seen. A few of the younger guys are sniffing around other airlines, don't really know about the Airbus people as I rarely come into contact with them. Also, about 80 odd are leaving on a Voluntary Redundancy scheme - no idea of the demographic of that.

Bad days happen. I had no idea as I was head down at home writing 737 course material! The good thing is that when it goes belly up the bods in LTN really get a grip.

You seem well informed? You Blue or Pink (in which case I've been wasting my time as you will know all this anyway!!!)


yeah, best time to get the coversions done over the winter period, ready for the summer schedule.

I work for servisair ops, so get daily happening, i know a few reps so im both blue and pink, not really baised.start my PPL/CPL soon im also studying the 737NG so im in contact with a few FO's at TOM. trying to get into ops with TOM/FCA but no luck atm.....

G-STAW

[Suzeman]

I understand from the local Granada news last night that Servisair are to make 180-200 people compulsorily redundant at MAN shortly.

So I hope you will be OK G-STAW

Looks like it is going to be a tough old winter out there.

Suzeman

[Betablockeruk]

Flybe talking about expansion with plans to restore routes to Madrid and Lyon as well as starting new routes to Amsterdam, Hamburg and Stuttgart.

No mention of timescale.

see Crain's Manchester Business (http://www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage)

[sunshine79]

Does anyone know what is happening to the TCX Cayo Coco flight? I work in Cyprus and have heard a rumour the flight is coming here, which I think is very strange. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

[Tight Slot]

If its the MAN - CCC flight today, I saw the crew and the're off to CCC as planned. Departs around now. I wished them the best as I'm just back from the entrails of Ike! Hope they take their wellies...

[G-STAW]

I understand from the local Granada news last night that Servisair are to make 180-200 people compulsorily redundant at MAN shortly.

So I hope you will be OK G-STAW

Looks like it is going to be a tough old winter out there.

Suzeman



its changing from day to day here at circusair, we all had a letter stating the companies intentions regarding redundancies (180 to go atm). They are blaming redundancies on zoom going bust, which is a load of waffle. Currently i dont think my job is safe, thus im applying for swissport and oceansky atm

XL's position isnt helping the situation, the rep said their winter shedule doesnt go much futher than TFS & PMI....

and then theres Futura going bust, the list goes on.....BTW iberworld are taking over futura routes v.soon.

G-STAW

[Hamburg 2K8]

I used to travel through MAN airport T1 every week to work in Hamburg, but have not been there since 31st July of this year. Can anyone tell me if all of the new shops, cafe's etc have opened now and is the make over complete? I will be there on Sunday and back on Friday.

And anything on T2? I heard a while ago that work had startedon the new security area and was set to finish later in the year and someone also told me about the extension of T3 beginning a few weeks ago.

Hope someone can provide me with some info.

Thanks, Mat.

[Hamburg 2K8]

Also, any new news ref the works on the taxiway's?

[sunshine79]

We got the wrong end of the stick in the office about the Cuba flight. Customers who decided not to go to CCC are coming to Cyprus for their holiday instead.

[viscount702]

A few summer 2009 flights now in booking engine.

Includes Twice daily except Sat to AMS

Viscount

[revo]

New baby routes for summer 09

Amsterdam
Toulouse

[1station]

HAMBURG 2K8

All 3 terminals now have their new security points open and running. Shops are appearing gradually. I believe T1 will be done by Christmas, T2 by Easter next year and T3 is ongoing.

T3 apron extension is at the ground works stage by the looks of it.

[EC-ILS]

Does anyone know if T2 has a dedicated area for transfer passengers ie coming off CO going onto AF or do passengers have to exit and start again?

[J31 MAN]

Does anyone know if there is a new holding pattern north east of Woodford? Past couple of evenings has seen aircraft in the hold there.


Thanks

[Betablockeruk]

Probably weather avoidance. Tue evening was interesting with both AFR1168 and BMA4QA, from the south, passing through centreline around 7 DME and then right circuit to establish at approx 10 DME

[MAN777]

There is a VRP called Hill Top just near Woodford, its used for VFR traffic joining from the south.

[Certa Cito]

Low-cost carrier Flybe plans to restore routes it axed from Manchester Airport when it took-over loss-making BA Connect in 2007, according to chief commercial officer Mike Rutter.

The airline said it was looking to reintroduce services to Madrid and Lyon as well as starting new routes to Amsterdam, Hamburg and Stuttgart.

The airline is one of the biggest low-cost carriers at Manchester, flying to more than 14 destinations from Manchester, according to its website.

Rutter said he was confident the new routes would be profitable, saying, “Manchester remains a key hub for us and we are aiming to increase passenger numbers from a million last year to around 1.5m over the next 12 months.”

The airline also plans additional flights to Milan and Hannover and expects continued growth on services to German cities such as Dusseldorf and Frankfurt where it competes with Lufthansa, which is increasing capacity on the route, as reported by Crain’s yesterday.

Flybe is expected to publish its winter schedule in the coming weeks

[Hamburg 2K8]

Would be good news if Flybe started a Hamburg service. Air Berlin are stopping their flights from Manchester to Hamburg after 31st October, don't know wheather they are keep the Paderborn one's?

If Flybe do start them, I hope they use a bigger aircraft than Lufthansa's CRJ200!

Mat.

[Certa Cito]

It will be a Q400 78 seat turboprop

[jetsetjobbie]

Does anyone know if T2 has a dedicated area for transfer passengers ie coming off CO going onto AF or do passengers have to exit and start again?

There is a transit lounge and, as both airlines pass through T2, it is possible but probably not likely unless they are they both in some kind of 'Star Alliance/One World' code share. Suggest you conact the airlines/airport.

JsJ

[lexxity]

If you have a through ticket you'll just transfer airside. If on two seperates you'll collect your bags and go and re-check in.

[1station]

I am told Sky Europe OMNGD is parked on the West Apron at Manchester with an airport vehicle parked behind it.

Surely not a second airline gone in a day??? Does anyone know any information?

**Second aircraft just arrived on stand and been subjected to the same treatment***

[FL370 Officeboy]

If you are arriving into the UK on CO from the USA I expect you will be required to clear immigration and customs before continuing your journey. I imagine this would involve going out to landside then back through security.

[eggc]

I am told Sky Europe OMNGD is parked on the West Apron at Manchester with an airport vehicle parked behind it.

Surely not a second airline gone in a day??? Does anyone know any information?


The second Sky has just departed (1740) so they are obviously not impounded.

[STATSMAN]

Speaking to a number of passengers today travelling to MCO had bought tickets early this morning on virgin website after XL stopped trading. Both VS flights had extra passengers saying we will sort out the problems with XL when we return from holiday.

STATSMAN

[G-STAW]

so thats XL, freebird and skyeurope(?), all within 16 hours.

we'r getting handling requests from alot of charter airlines such as omni air bring pax back from SFB and hellas jet bringing pax back from europe.

what a day!

good luck to all those now lookig for jobs...

G-STAW

[Cloud1]

I am confused -which sources are you getting the info from about Freebird and confirmation about SkyEurope?? I hope its not assumptions during these hard times....as that would be quite insensitive to staff concerned.

[G-STAW]

got a phonecall from work saying that freebird have about to go bust, as for skyeurope look in news section....

G-STAW

[OltonPete]

SkyEurope

Vienna departure board: -

22:55NE 3502LarnacaGo to Gate Skyeurope Airlines

The AMS-VIE has left and is on route.

However just tried to book on their website and got "error call airline"

American Airlines

They announced this week that they are going to have an 18 strong
sub-fleet on International 757's mainly to be used from JFK but within
a matter of days both DUB-ORD & MAN - ORD have been rumoured as
downgrades to the 757. Very tight on operating limits but I believe it
is possible. Some LHR services are to be downgraded to 763's from
777's. The 757's are for new routes as well as releasing 763's to
cover the withdrawal of the Miami based AB6's so I am told.

The 757's will have new interiors with a 16/166 config, which is slightly
more than Continentals offering.

The 757's are rumoured to start going in the hangar by the end of
the year. I was thinking MAN-JFK rather than a 757 on ORD.

Pete

[MUFC_fan]

Will MAN ever see a BA with their 757s again?

My favourite aircraft in my favourite livery at my favourite airport! There was nothing better! Now that the 757s operate from a different terminal to MAN-LHR shuttle flights at LHR, we will probably never see them in the city again!:{

[Whitehatter]

Nope, no chance of a BA 757. They can't operate from T5 so no domestic action with them (757s don't use containerised baggage like the Bus).

Some may go to FredEx but the rest of BA's 757s are bound for OpenSkies. The fleet won't be in the BA blue very much longer as they are now oddballs in their operation.

[mudcity]

some excel rescue flights
EC JOZ 767 sat 0755
SX TID 747 sat 1600

SX TID 747 sun 0240
N720AX DC10 sun 0935

[zfw]

Sky Europe

The first aircraft NE 190 was impounded by MAPLC for outstanding charges,and not to be outdone/ jumping on the bandwagon the second aircraft NE196 was impounded by Menzies for outstanding charges, both issues resolved.

zfw

[G-STAW]

some excel rescue flights
EC JOZ 767 sat 0755
SX TID 747 sat 1600

SX TID 747 sun 0240
N720AX DC10 sun 0935


my company is quadrupling handling fees for these rescue flights, its a shame airlines are getting attacked for putting their prices up, when they have no choice but to pay execesive handling fees. Theres always someone making money out of a bad situation....disgusting

G-STAW

[HH6702]

Does the airlines involved in these flights not get the money back from CAA and ATOL??
:confused:

[STN Ramp Rat]

my company is quadrupling handling fees for these rescue flights

thats not possible if they have an agreed contract, sounds like "ramp talk" to me

[airhumberside]

Crains Manchester Business website reports there are plans for a new 'super freight terminal' of 1.5 million square feet

[G-STAW]

just seen this too, seems interesting, nice too see growth at MAN.

[mickyman]

I predict that Fedex will return in Febuary 09 with upto
four daily services...........

MM

[StoneyBridge Radar]

mickyman: I predict that Fedex will return in Febuary 09 with upto
four daily services...........

3 ATRs to Stansted, Edinburgh and Glasgow and a Caravan to Carlisle, to be called EdEx :E :} :ok:

[HH6702]

Does anybody know if the above is at manchester at the minute or if it is going to be there tomorrow?

thanks

[firstchoice7e7]

shown on another forum as SX-TID B742 [ETA 00:45] MON275R

[viscount702]

The remainder of WW's existing destinations now showing in booking engine for summer 2009. Very much as this year but with less midweek flights until peak summer.

Viscount

[roverman]

Manchester Airport today published details of its readiness to act as Diversion Alternate for A380 flights. The procedures are contained in a supplement to the Aerodrome Manual and come into effect from 6th October. A NOTAM will follow, and subsequent AIP entry.

[OltonPete]

viscount702

I have just checked one week in June and it is very much better than
this year with five based units compared to four. With Monday, Thursday
and Friday maxed out rotations wise and not many gaps the rest of the
week either.

I suppose you could say that the number of the Madrid and Lisbon rotations are little disappointing and again no Polish routes but they
have yet to be released from EMA & BHX yet. Could aircraft number
six be in the pipeline?

Pete

[viscount702]

Pete

It looks like five A/C at present.

The timings don't fit together nicely at the moment. Wasn't helped by the fact that the initial release quoted Zulu time. Now corrected.

There seem to be three periods

1)Up to early July
2) July to early September
3) September to October

As I said the times don't fit nicely at present.Using what we have got leaves few if any gaps for other destinations not what WW implied.

Message earlier on the BMI thread suggested 5 A/C for MAN. If that is right I can't see much by way of new routes with any frequency. If there were to be a 6th Aircraft that would be different.

Viscount


Viscount

[bmi expat]

From what I can see of the schedule so far there is scope for an extra flight on days 1,2,3,4 and 7 and for two extra flights on day 6.

The rotations don't lend themselves to an A321 turnaround time so I expect it to be 5 B733 aircraft, which would match to BHX losing an aircraft for Summer 09 over Summer 08. I'd be surprised if there was a 6th unit to be based in MAN for next year, but if it was I expect it to be the A321 coming back which may open the possibility for longer sectors... Canaries perhaps? The A321 has been fantastic this Summer in terms of loads and onboard sales so WW would be mad not to have it again next year!

[OltonPete]

viscount702

Agreed, 5 at present but I only had time to check the one week in June.
BHX certainly runs end of March to end of May then to July and then
a final change in September back to similar to June.

bmi expat

The week I tried was the first week in June where it was definitely five
aircraft and no gaps on Mondays, Thursdays and Friday. I did not have
time to check other dates except for bhx where it is definitely seven
based units compared to eight now. Cardiff is still three but again good
utilization (I only checked that same first week in June).

I see from the East Mids thread that there is more new routes rumoured.

Pete

[Lord Toofouright]

Don't talk to me about WW!- Babies playing at running a low-cost operation.
Twice now they have pulled flights on me, the latest was a Manchester - Madrid return (only been going for couple of months). The joke of it was that they cancelled my return so suggested that I go out on the Thursday flight, and return on the same aircraft 20 mins after landing in Madrid!!? - Doubt if I could have cleared inbound immigration by then let alone check-in again and go through security. They then said over the phone that they'd refund me the return fare as it was unreasonable, BUT they hadn't changed the outbound flight so wouldn't be refunding that portion. (They later changed their mind on this one after receiving a piece of paper from me !)
Another hoot, was the fact that this morning they sent me an Email requesting me to fill in a survey regarding the ease of booking on the website and the level of service I received on my recent flight with them! Ohhhhh did I fill it in !!!!

I immediately booked with Easyjet from JLA when WW canx my man trip. The the flight was full on the way home, so don't tell me that Baby really tried on this one, or with many of their other ops! Half hearted attempts with old aircraft and a very strange route set-up.
So having got an old fleet of B737's why are so many flight being operated by infilling with BMI mainline aircraft, some of them A.321's - BARMY.

I'll never be touching Bmibaby again - Over to you Easyjet / Ryanair then?:ok:

[Scottie Dog]

A question for your Lordship, if I may - any news on the proposed new tower?

What with development of the new T stands, the opening of the revised taxiway system around the end of Pier B (on this coming Thursday) and other developments the airport really seems to at last be splashing out - now we only need more flights.

There was a rumour that Wizz might be leaving Doncaster and Liverpool, but I believe that it now may not happen - nice i it did though.

Thanks

Scottie Dog

[zfw]

B Pier refurb put back for 5 years or until economic climate picks up.................EK looks like it will be parking on 27 or 29.
A380 still sched for 2010 depending on deliveries etc.

Lots of belt tightening coming up for the winter months in MAPLC and ANOTHER Strategic Review underway with details published after christmas, so expect another tranche of PLC to be out-sourced, replaced or just gone as the PLC moves towards just being a landlord.

zfw

[wiccan]

New tower delayed tfn, I was told
bb

[Momentary Lapse]

Is the strategic review headed by Geoff, or by the Board? If it's the latter we might get a decent CX at last.

If it's by Geoff, it'll be more of the same - cut costs (i.e. customer service, maintenance etc.) build more shops, and give the directors fat pay rises.

[aeulad]

Apologies if this has already been reported, but a tidbit of good news.

Lufthansa's plan for Munich this winter is 3 daily A319. Along with the LX upgrade, all good news from the STAR group.

Regards

Mike

[Mr A Tis]

Any Baby experts know why so many Baby Manchester rotations are being cancelled at short notice recently?
Madrid, Jersey, Prague, Cork have all been hit. If this continues then it will certainly affect future bookings if they are to become unreliable.

[Betablockeruk]

Jet Airways announced expansion of its codeshare agreement with Brussels Airlines to connect Paris and Manchester from October 26, operating via the Belgian airline's European hub in Brussels.

So, is that the end of Manchester's direct (scheduled) India flight ambition or can anyone recall conversion of codeshares to direct flights?

[bigMANofMAN]

can anyone recall conversion of codeshares to direct flights?

Qatar Airways code shared with Lufthansa on flights to Munich for a while before they started their own services...

bigMAN

[Suzeman]

Mr A Tis

I recently posted this comment in the BFS thread and also in a baby cancellation thread in this forum but I will repeat it here.MAN, BFS and EMA are all losing some of my business as a result.

Somebody said

The BFS-EMA cancellation is actually fairly normal now. They usually cancel the 18:00 from BFS most days.


and my reply was

This was certainly the case yesterday. The high numbers of canx flights this summer is just the sort of thing that makes me prefer alternative routes /carriers when I can http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif


I believe the reasons are aircraft shortage (TOYL/M only recently arrived) and a series of tech problems with the rest of the fleet which isn't exactly new.

They seem to be upsetting many pax - there is a story of a chap going somewhere (Poland?) I think from EMA where they canx his outbound flight several days in advance and advised him that he would now be on the next flight a couple of days later - on the day he was coming back!! He had to write/ phone several times before he got any sense out of them or the promise of a refund: not surprisingly, he is now travelling with another carrier.

And they have certainly p*ssed off Lord Toofouright who expressed forceful views on the subject just earlier. So I think they need to buck their ideas up PDQ.

betablocker

As far as India is concerned, I don't think you will see any direct flights from MAN. Even BHX cannot seem to sustain them. And whilst the SN codeshare with Jet will give an indication of demand they might capture, I can't see there being enough to one destination in India to sustain a direct service. The beauty of the Brussels hub is that it allows onward travel to several destinations in India.

Suzeman

[Momentary Lapse]

When you only pay coppers for a flight, what do you expect? You wanna save money; so does the airline.

You get what you pay for. A fact that many people on here fail to understand.

That applies to airline service levels, employee motivation levels, airport cleanliness standards and so on.

[Lord Toofouright]

Scottie,
Sorry for the delay in replying but the facts as I understand them are that the Board are considering several proposals vis-a-vie the new proposed VCR.

1) Was an all singing and dancing construction of an iconic variety that looked really good on paper.:D However I feel that that is as far as that one got.:(
2) Slightly less ambitious one proposed, not as tall and less space aloft.:=
3) A new shed-on-a-pole (Emm haven't seen a post from him for a while?!).:sad:
4) Just a new shed!:(

All are being actively considered but my bet is that instead of past beliefs of build while there is a downturn to be ready for the Upturn, the bid for another far flung "Assett" will take precedence over all matters!:ugh:

As far as I'm aware the Stand to be dedicated for A.380 ops is Stand 32.:zzz:

Is this airfeld really ready for A.380 ops ? - don't rate it myself - it's bound to fall into a hole somewhere on the taxiway system or failing that hold up every other movement whilst it taxies in / starts-up - pushes back / taxies out. :\
Have we any steps for it? - Send out to B&Q for Three section ally-ladder, but make sure all who use it have been trained in "How to use a ladder", - you know it makes sense?;)

[Mr A Tis]

Momentary Lapse.

What you overlook, is that not everyone pays coppers for their lo co flights.

If you need to get somewhere at short notice you pay the likes of Monarch, Baby & Jet2 a small fortune to travel, but still get dicked about & treated like S H one T.

[Brian Fantana]

Is this airfeld really ready for A.380 ops ? - don't rate it myself

Likewise I dont rate it either. As soon as the punters get off an A380 at stand 32 the hole of the terminal will grind to a halt as the queue through immigration backs up to that stand. There is already problems on that pier mixing inbound and outbound passengers, with flight delays as boarding is held whilst inbound pax are let off aircraft!! The airport is getting no better to work from longs queues through immigration long queues getting through staff channels, believe the new Iris system is having a few teething problems too, hardly any of the travelators work. MAplc are more concerned about getting passengers into shops to spend money than making it an airport with a pleasant travel experience. Permanant construction going on inside, outside the terminals and on the apron - when will it ever end.
I really dislike the place at the moment, I have seen better airports in native third world countries!! :mad:

[MUFC_fan]

Reluctantly, I must agree with the above posts.

As much as ai would LOVE to see an A380 gracing the tarmac daily, I would hate to get off a short flights into terminal 2 (AMS, CDG etc.) and find that I have to wait as long as the flight to get through immigration!

I don't know if there is a seperate channel for EU arriving flights as I wouldn't fly Skyteam if they paid me but whenever I come back with FCA/TOM etc. they always que with the EK/SQ lot. Is that still correct?

Before w see the A380 - lets see the airport try to regain it's status as one of the world's leading airports - can't have a small county in the Pacific beating us!:ok:

[Old Grey]

If Brian Fantana is in San Diego, how come he sees so much of Manchester Airport, especially seeing as there are no direct services between the two cities?

Just asking....... :hmm:

[Suzeman]

As soon as the punters get off an A380 at stand 32 the hole of the terminal will grind to a halt

Was that the hole of the terminal or the whole of the terminal?? :}

Suzeman

[ACCMan]

Guys. I few updates for you.

1. No new VCR. New standby facility to be built out on the airfield.
2. A380 ops is for diversions only. Much work to do on stand 12 and 32 before schedule ops.
3. No staff channel issues since opening of new OBCs in all terminals.
4. Wizz Air off for this winter, but I'm sure they'll try again for next summer. Remember we'll be out of regulation by then.

[greatoaks]

I must congratulate MAG for the wonderful new experience in T2. departures.

Travel up one level to the waiting long queue
Enter boarding pass to scanner
Scanner eats boarding pass
wait for very pi$$ed off employee to extracate from scanner
queue to travel back down to ground level
arrive in the dark and gloomy corner of the old toilet blockMarvellous......Thats the way to impress your customers :D

[DeltaIndiaSierraPapa]

Nothing new at MAN for over a week now?

[spannersatcx]

and some posts have disappeared as well! i.e. the BA reduncancies post and replies!!:confused:

[Betablockeruk]

6 (possibly 7) LHR fog related diversions on Sat, including 4x 777.

Has the credit/fuel crisis prompted airlines to limit holding fuel to minimum criteria? In the past there's been many a day when low viz procedures have been in place at both LHR and LGW without anything venturing up north, so what's changed?

[ManofMan]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but i heard a likkle whisper that T2 is to go all charter with T1 being used for Scheduled only ???

Comments ??

[Keyvon]

Jet2 is to introduce a new summer route to the Greek island of Rhodes. it's due to begin from 20th May '09, on Wednesdays.
Guess could be a charter-like one.

[G-STAW]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but i heard a likkle whisper that T2 is to go all charter with T1 being used for Scheduled only ???

Comments ??



Old news, and T3 is going low-cost.....

G-STAW

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Old news, and T3 is going low-cost.....

Does that mean cheap car parking...? :}

[AlphaWhiskyRomeo]

Was there an aircraft performing a prolonged high-thrust engine run on 1st October.

Sounded like there were screaming jets for several minutes at a time during mid-late afternoon.

[ManofMan]

Like i said might have been mentioned before......but a question, does that mean that carriers operating charters and scheduled will have to operate from different terminals ???

If so i can see trouble ahead !!!

[Betablockeruk]

Ryanair, Europe’s leading low fares airline, today (1st October) announced that due to strike action at Boeing it has had to postpone the operation of 11 new routes from Dusseldorf (Weeze). As a direct result of this strike, which has delayed the delivery of new aircraft, Ryanair has had to cancel 20 return services to/from Dusseldorf (Weeze) which were due to operate on the 27th, 28th and 29th October (please see below for routes affected).

Passengers who were due to travel on these cancelled services will receive a full refund from Ryanair.

That includes Manchester.

[Vuelo]

What's the big announcement at MAN due tomorrow all about?

[Mr A Tis]

Probably the grand switching on of a travelator or the repair of a lift in T2 multi storey that has ben u/s for 9 months..................but I could be wrong ! :-)

[dollydaydream]

Hopefully an announcement that there will be no more big announcements!

[Betablockeruk]

BIG announcement....well, remember that big announcement MAPlc made, er, there's a small problem......

Airport plan threatens 400-year-old cottage - News - Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1070358_airport_plan_threatens_400yearold_cottage)

Classic journalism. Love the socialist comment :}

[GLENO]

What time is the BIG announcement then? ......anybody in the know?

[Vuelo]

It has happened. It was a lot of fuss over a new shade of blusher in the duty free shop at T1.

[j4ckos mate]

I cant imagine whats going to be put in those warehouses,

alot of the offices on the cargo centre are empty, and the warehouses arent much better.

[loobysue]

It has happened. It was a lot of fuss over a new shade of blusher in the duty free shop at T1.

hope it dont clash with nail varnish in T2

[mantug01]

The new SPAR opened in T2 arrivals today !!

They had free donuts !

Maybe that is as exciting as it gets.

[yeoman]

All charters in one terminal? Terrific: Packed out during the 3 "waves" outbound and like the grave the rest of the time. Pretty dumb idea but then we're talking MAN.

Anyway, saw that airport cat the other day, the big ginger thing that is front page news on the airport rag. Seems he has had his house moved somewhere quieter and is still being fed on demand. On the basis he was washing his bal#s at the time and he seems to have some kind of mangled ear thing going on, it wasn't too flattering an image but would now be the time to offer him a place on the airport planning committee?

[MAN777]

Its amazing the amount of interest that mangy cat generated.

What seems to have missed the media attention is the huge population of black rabbits we have all over the place, in the cargo centre and surrounding green spaces. I believe a domestic rabbit bred with the local wild population creating a unique colony. They would make lovely fur coats !!;)

[Higher Archie]

Having some bowls of some rotting cat-food and a stagnant water dish for the local stray cat in front of the corporate HQ of a major airport operator is not really the best image for Manchester Airport.

Either install a cat-flap, a door-bell and a wind-chime and accept that the Airport has gone to the dogs, or get on with things that matter to passengers.

Re-home the cat in a happier and safer place via the RSPCA and get on with the real business of running airports.

[Suzeman]

and accept that the Airport has gone to the dogs,

If the airport has gone to the dogs, I'm surprised that the cat is still around :}

Or perhaps it says something about the calibre of the dogs :eek:

Suzeman

[chiglet]

Or the wabbits.......
"What's up Doc?"

[Lord Toofouright]

I see that more services are lost.

The Aeroflot cargo B737 has moved ops to Stan-shed (not on pole!), however this may not be a loss to the MAG group if they bid for and get the place?

PIA have / are cutting back services and reducing capacity to A.310's on some flights.

Those great visionary planners at Bmibaby (You know my favourite ****eline) have put off starting Amsterdam, probably til never.

The only bit of good news involves someone called Air Sylhet who plan to operate into Man ( and Birmingham and London ) from Dubai. Apparently there are a couple of promotional visits due on Nov 23rd and 27th with an A.320.

Apart from that - aaaarrrrggghhhh! The only excitement these days is the prat who keeps setting off the fire alarms in the tower block. Basil Fawlty Ffffire fffffiirre FFFFIIIRRRRE. just wished it'd last a bit longer really!

L. 24R:E

[HOODED]

I suspect the downgrading of the PIA to an A310 is probably due to the new LBA/ISB which seems to be doing well.

[chiglet]

I suspect the downgrading of the PIA to an A310 is probably due to the new LBA/ISB which seems to be doing well.

Funny how they seem to cancel it at the drop of a hat, tho'...
Also, Air Blue are filling their a/c out of MAN
watp,ipiktch

[MUFC_fan]

Wasnt Air Blue supposed to get A330s to fly the MAN route?

[Vuelo]

That is factually incorrect regarding WW to AMS - they are selling well and are still bookable right through next summer.

[MidnightMoonlight]

NEW ROUTE EZY MAN - SOFIA STARTS 3 times a week from 11th dec.

[HOODED]

Chiglet, hope thats not sour grapes! I think you'll find they cancel it at the drop of a hat regularly, or was it just once since it started. That was due to a major festival in Pakistan!
I think you will find Bradford has the largest Pakistanni comunity in the UK so it's no surprise that when Shaheen started ex LBA the MAN PIA loads dropped off.
PIA jumped on the route when Shaheen had ac leasing problems, but unlike them they have stuck at twice weekly so as not to hurt the MAN operation too much. Shaheen were 4 weekly before their ac lease expired.
Rumor is Shaheen want to recommence ex LBA!

[GLENO]

Few A330 Slots to be taken now XL wont be getting theirs this winter!!..perhaps Air Blue might take these up????..think XL were down for three with one going on lease to Finnair.I also heard that they were due to get a least a couple of A330's to start Long Haul services.....

[Railgun]

Clasping at straws, dont think you will see many airlines taking up orders for new aircraft in the current economic climate.

[Lord Toofouright]

Incorrect? - Really?

I understood that WW were starting AMS this winter. You can't book on it until April 2009!

Anyway happy booking, it's just such good fun to go through the procedure, then print off your details and then just wait for the day of your trip to come around ---------- till they pull it - you'll see :p

[Mr A Tis]

All the posters / ads around the airport & Manchester all say MAN-AMS starts April 2009, which was always the case.

[Vuelo]

WW's service to AMS was never due to be anything else but starting in Spring 2009.

[chiglet]

Hooded,
No not sour grapes. Far from it in fact, 'cos I now work in MACC [Radar], and have been on the sector several times when Leeds have told me that it was cancelled...again. We get paid to shift traffic. Doesn't matter a jot whether it's out of Leeds,Donny or Wellesbourne Mountford or Caernarfon, we move it..:ok:
watp,iktch

[BombardierCR7]

Hooded is correct, only the PIA flight that fell on the festival of Eid was cancelled. All others have operated as scheduled ex LBA.

[J31 MAN]

Anyone know the reason for diversions to leeds/bradford etc on sunday? Tech problem with an aircraft on the runway was reported but I can't find any further reference to it.

Cheers,

J

[Gordon_uk3]

A British Airways Airbus on an incoming shuttle from Heathrow had a flap problem and was vectored around a little to give the crew some time for the landing. Other aircraft had to go into the hold and a couple didn't have enough holding fuel.

[BHX5DME]

Pax - 2,167,417 down 6.95%
Movements - 18,996 down 6.97%
Freight - 10,592 tonnes down 30.74%

BHX5DME

[virgin_cc_wannabe]

A lot of that reduction will be due to great wall leaving then returning, also fedex pulling MAN in favour of STN.

Pax figures arnt so bad considering the XL loss, as well as the futura flights and one or 2 travel agents going under.

Also considering the credit crunch and then the figures are easily explainable.

It will be down even more next month with BA pulling the JFK route, AA reducing frequency and the quieter period of charter operations.

Its going to be a cold cold winter, the only thing to look forward to is possible diverts in bad weather

[Vuelo]

Rumours of a new set of FR routes are going round...a Greek destination is rumoured as FR is expected to expand into Greece in the next six months.

Other possibilities are more Italian routes and Balkan destinations.

[GavinC]

Balkan or Baltic?

Balkan would seem odd but with FR i guess, possible.

[AircraftOperations]

Those routes will be a while off yet, whilst FR wait for delivery of new airframes.

[MUFC_fan]

XL passenger numbers won't have been effected too much last month. Remember they were still flying people home. This month will be worse and as mentioned above, the winter will be quite also.

[Curious Pax]

Anyone know anything about the on stand evac of an aircraft a week last Monday (29th Sept)? Friend of a colleague was (I'm told) waiting to fly to Amsterdam when the inbound aircraft did an evac without slides, so people were coming out over the wing. Outbound flight was subsequently cancelled, but rather than being taken out down via the gate to the arrivals level to retrieve their bags they went 'another way' due to injured pax being treated down there. A look at the movements site suggests that Fokker 70 PH-KZB arrived as KL1093, but didn't go out until a couple of days later, so I guess that was the flight in question. Smoke inhalation was also mentioned.

I assume it can't have amounted to much as I can't find anything about it in the press - just wondering if anyone knew the real story.

[Scottie Dog]

I am sure that this was mentioned in an earlier post, but just to confirm that as of 2328 (odd time) yesterday, Manchester is officially able to accept 1 A380 as a diversion at any one time.

EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
FROM: 08/10/06 23:28 TO: 09/03/31 23:59
E) AD AVBL AS DIVERSION ALTERNATE FOR A380 ACFT, RWY 05L/23R ONLY.
LIMITED TWY ROUTING UNDER GUIDANCE FM FOLLOW-ME VEHICLE. ONLY ONE A380 MAY BE ACCOMMODATED AT ANY ONE TIME. TWY WIDTH RESTRICTED ON SOME CURVES AND INTERSECTIONS. USE OF OVERSTEERING REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN WHEEL TO EDGE CLEARANCE. RFF TEMPORARILY SUPPLEMENTED TO CAT 10 FOR A380 OPS.

Scottie Dog

[Momentary Lapse]

And what happens when it gets on stand? Good job the NOTAM doesn't have to include the terminal's capabilities :eek:

[Ringwayman]

It would park remote, gate 62.

[Suzeman]

And no doubt be intending to do a splash and dash

Suzeman

[ManofMan]

No.....lets look on the bad side, as most diversions end up in pax being sent down the M6 (not!!!).......as usual people cant just acknowledge that EGCC can now take the 380 as a div, they have to look deeper and talk about terminal handling !!!!!!, when was the last time a SQ flight being diverted resulted in the outbound flight operating from Man ???

Take a chill pill dic**eads

[1station]

Which handling agent has steps and pushback bar for the aircraft?

[Scottie Dog]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I would imaging that normal 747 size steps would be able to reach the main-deck door.

Good question with regards to the tow-bar. Do the Airbus wide-bodies all have a common connection, if so does this extend to the 380?

[Momentary Lapse]

So they plan to de-plane 6-700 pax down one set of steps?

How many buses have they got?

Is the inbound bussing area big enough?

Will Immigration and Customs take the volumes?

Will the arrivals hall cope with 6-700 people all asking for onward travel information?

Etc.

Sticking the plane on the ground is only a small part of the whole equation.

You call it dic**ead, I call it joined up thinking. Pah.

[Curious Pax]

Well MAN seems to have coped quite well with the 500+ pax on Corsair 744s when they have showed up in the past (all economy seating). Of the candidates for diversion, Emirates have 489 seat on ultra long range 380s, 517 on long range, and 600 on medium range (which would be unlikely to divert, more likely to op a regular service). Qantas have 450 seats on theirs, and Singapore have 471. Nothing to panic about I wouldn't have thought....

[Betablockeruk]

I thought unloading diverted passengers was not the done thing. Most of the diversions on 27th Sept cleared off back down south within 3 hrs of arrival, except the Kenyan which stayed until the next day.

[ManofMan]

How many diversions actually off-load in Manchester ?? The vast majority are fuel diverts, splash dash and back to land CAT 3.

The other thing is...how many SQ flights have you ever seen divert into MAN ??? Most drop into FRA or AMS as they are overflying these airports.

CFMU see to the fact that we se very few divs these days, those that do are Long Haul for a splash and Dash.