Expat F/O Job In China

[hjmemon]

Hi,
1st of all, I have tried searching but didnt find good info. There was lot available for Capts.
Well is any any possibility for expat F/O with no experience on large aircraft. Got alomost 1000 hours but all on GA. Even willing to pay for the type is job is offered??????
Hope to get some positive responses.
Thanks
HJM

[hjmemon]

Hi ricfly744,
Well they are operating 744 as far as I know. Even If I pay for my own type, do you think they would take me in wth 1000 previous hrs on GA???
Thanks,
HJM

[Ayla]

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[hjmemon]

Well Ayla, I am not sure, but I dont see any connection with the picture that you posted with my topic rather to any topic related to Aviation or Profession Pilot Rumour Network (PPRUNE).
If anyone could shed some light.
Thanks,
HJM

[Ayla]

It was the danger, mystery and thrills that I rather thought applied to flying as a first officer for the various china airlines, perhaps not the best safety record going!

[Anonymus6]

hjmemon,

I'm not going to spend to much time on this topic, but belive me when I TELL YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE!!!

[Fareastdriver]

I'm not going to spend to much time on this topic, but belive me when I TELL YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE!!!

I will concur with that.

[hjmemon]

Thnak you guys. I got your message. But is there any other place where I can start off?

[LarryDCableGuy]

And stop whoring yourself.

[hjmemon]

Well, I really feel sorry for the people like the one who made the post above, in this such a beautiful profession. I think this community is here to help people, not to discourage them.

[Anonymus6]

hjmemon,

As I said earlyer you don't have a chance. Let me explain myself. You are pretty young and have about 1000tt instruction job I assume (GA aircraft,,,single engine). At this time we are facing a recession and airlines are not hiring. There are pilots in the market with more than 4-6K total time and time on heavy jet that are getting fourlough at this time. Where do you think this guys go, once they get forlough. Yes, they will try to find another job in another continent. At the current job market, airlines in Middle East, Asia and central asia are recieving a lot of CV from North american pilots. WHY WOULD THEY HIRE SOMEONE LIKE YOU WITH 1000TT ON GA AIRCRAFT. I can understand your situation because I have been there. So, once again stop whoring yourself. Time might change few years along the road and maybe you be lucky,,,,but for now:=

[perceval]

whoring because he mentionned maybe paying for a type rating if offered a job ??
That probably means that one way or another , 90 pcent of the flying population are Ho's .Difference is are u a 20 bucks street walker by the docks (paying for a cfi for exemple ) or a high class 3000 a pass hilton dubai girl (ie buying your 744 or accepting a 5 years bond ) .
Get real , this is 2008 and some fellows have the means to get what they want quick , some others not .No point using big words...but maybe try to help by giving advises rather than insults .

[tamie]

Hi hjmemon,

I am not quite sure about if you have a chance or not with 1000hrs... but maybe you could try it with KAL. They are looking for non rated pilots. The rating will be on your own costs.
As I realized (not my own experience but rumours) KAL is not the first choice of those with many flight hours, so maybe low hours pilots have a better chance there. Give it a try.
And never give up trying and applying, for example Jade Cargo. Do not ask the guys here if you have any chance, the only one who can tell you is the human resources lady of the companies where you apply. :ok:

[DrahNa]

I sent my apps to Jade and got a reply that I didn't meet the quals they want. I felt disappointed but what can I do but just build more time and try again later. It doesn't cost anything to try...so just give it a shot and who knows you might get lucky. Things could change..... I hope soon:)

I've got about 1300tt and about 100 hrs on ERJ145 and 200 on Shorts330.

If anyone has any info on who will take this kind of time and experience please let me know.... I just really want to fly in ASIA. Its my ultimate goal! :) :ok:

Thanks and good luck to all of us.... :E

[hjmemon]

@perceval and tamie
Thanks lot for the advises. Well same here for the Jade cargo, they said that I dont meet the minimum qualification.
HJM

[555orange]

Drahna....I have to ask. Why is it your "ULTIMATE" goal? A little overkill isnt it??

I dont want to give you any information just because your making me sick! Blaahh... :yuk:

[hitmanishere]

I dont want to give you any information just because your making me sick! Blaahh... :yuk:


With all due respect, Are you really a pilot???:bored:Coz U sound more like a skool kid....

[DrahNa]

:8:{ such a cry little boy. :sad:

No info from you is necessary. There are lots more helpful people over here. I probably wont get any "professional" information from you anyways.

LooosaaH:ok::}:ugh::=:E

[Dan Winterland]

I would say that after 1000 hrs on GA aircrat, the 744 is probably not your ideal first jet.

[Xpatpilot]

HI ,

I have been flying in China for more than 2 years now . Even though they really need pilots here , and sometimes the requirements for a jet position are lower than world average , I have never heard they got any one with similar experience . BUT I know some guys that joined some flight schools here as flight instructors , with something in their contracts mentioning that they will upgraded to line FOs after two or three years I think .
It maybe a hard way , but not impossible , if you're willing to pay the price... I mean , live in China , work a lot and bet that they will keep up with the contract .
Recently one guy from Finland flew as observer with me . He worked for 2 years at one flight school and now got one position as FO of a business jet
I also met some guys , one from USA , the other a Mexican , that are currently flying as Instructors at Shenzhen Airlines Flight school . Shenzhen just opened it's own flt school . Brand new Cessnas and Diamonds. These guys are expecting to become 737 FOs after a certain ammount of time ( I don't know how long) .
Shenzhen also owns a regional company flying CRJs .
Bottom line is , there may be a way here , I just don't know too much about it .

Good Luck !

[JasenPilot1]

try rishworth i think i heard they has some non type rated positions.

[scavalenger]

I've applied to Viva Macau awhile ago and Pilot Recruit Co-ordinator wrote back to me so I got his direct email...all he wants is 1000TT 500 Turbine multi crew operation so with your 1300 TT and ERJ time, you will definately get in. If you are interested, they fly 767 and you don't need type rating if you are willing to self sponser yourself. His name is Captain Andrew Klinghoffer and emails is [email protected]

Good luck!

[tntmk]

all the info I've gathered so far from the Internet it seems like most airlines around Asia want about 1000 multi-crew jet for a FO position (HK, Macau...)

you guys may like this blog http://karlchang.spaces.live.com/ (Canadian Expat in China)

I emailed him about FO positions for expat low time pilots in the China state airlines. He was saying that they were not hiring FO non-typed expats to come in and fly...Capt. yes not FO's now. They really want the locals to come in...hense all the flight schools working to train nationals. A big issue for them not hiring expats is the chance they might come in and get their type and leave...the flight instruct to FO position is interesting though

Here is some more info on the conditions for the pilots...there...http://www.eturbonews.com/2321/skies-not-so-bright-chinas-airline-pilots :sad:

I too would like to go fly in China or the ME to fly but for now I've just got a bunch of piston time

anyone have any info on what would be competitive for China Airline's FO position? I see they have a 1500TT ATP, jet time preferred