Bombay/VABB 27/09 WIP?

[mfds]

Anyone been into Bombay recently, I thought the work in progress was finsihed - but notams now have :

PORTION OF TWY D FM BEGINNING OF RWY 09 UPTO SHORT OF TWY C
NOT AVBL FOR OPS DUE WIP


Does this mean LDA 27 is restricted to vacating at C, ie. 2300m?
On a 744 the runway is too narrow for a 180 turn if you overshoot ...

Usual vague Indian NOTAM's ... any recent users of the airfield I would appreciate to hear what the picture is there?

[DesiPilot]

MFDS,

going there tomorrow morning so I will let you know. Last I was there three days ago and the work was still going on and as we vacated on C I was D was still dugup. So more than likely D is still not available to vacate the runway. There was also work going on A3, so to get to your bay you may have to take J, F, F1 or G, F1.

I will let you know tomorrow :)

Desi

[Flap33]

The LDA is redeuced to 2300m vacating at C. Went there 3 weeks ago in a 744 and was ok with Flap 30, Autobrake 4 (I think) and Partial Reverse.

More interesting for those visiting BOM at the moment are the inbound delays, 45 mins are to be expected around 0530 and 1830 (UTC). When we were passed onto BOM they told us to expect 70 mins, however this came forward to approx 35 mins plus extended vectors for 27.

BOM......Beware!

[mfds]

Desi and Flap33 - Thanks.

So I presume full length is available if you can do a 180 turn OK on 27?
From memory its 45m wide ... too narrow for a 744 requiring 46.6m for a 180.

Arguably 09 would be better with a light tailwind?

Yes, inbound delays of 45 min sadly is fairly normal there ...

[DesiPilot]

MFDS,

Was there yesterday and today of course no problems vacating at W or C in A321.
Yesterday a Saudi 744 landed on 27 and could not vacate at C, another aircraft had to go around as Saudi had to do a 180 so that they can vacate via C. The runway is 150' wide or 49 m, so it should be tight but enough for you to make a 180. It seemed like Saudi had no problem with 180.

I guess it'd be better to advice ATC that you'd be unable to vacate by C and you'd need 180. This way they can maintain more separation saving someone a go around.

:) Desi

[mfds]

Desi - Thanks for that.

I did go in there on Tuesday night.

In a 744 at close to MLW stopping by C (2300m) was not an issue.

Re. 180 turns - Our Aerads show it as 45m wide - we need 46.6m for a 180 turn .. so not sure how the Saudi managed it, unless their is a bit more width still useable at D.

[MrBernoulli]

Up until a couple of weeks ago the portion of Rwy 27 between taxiways C and D (the end of the runway) was NOT available as there was gravel and workmen all over it. Typically, all that the NOTAM stated was that taxiway D was not available. This NOTAM could have, and should have, been clearer! It is now as described above, with the portion of runway between C and D available, but the last usuable exit from Rwy 27 being C. My airline will not allow 180 degree turns for a B777 here because the runway is not wide enough to consistently and safely do this. A tug would be required if we overshot taxiway C.

Saudia? Not sure they worry too much about rules anyway. More interested in not being embarrased, and saving face!

[mfds]

Saudia? Not sure they worry too much about rules anyway. More interested in not being embarrased, and saving face!

They will be extreemly embarrased if they go onto the grass doing a 180 on a runway that is too narrow for the manufacturers turning radius!!!

[fire wall]

According to our docs turning nodes are 75 m wide.

[BuzzBox]

According to our docs turning nodes are 75 m wide.

Agree - our docs state that the turning node at the threshold of 09 is 75m x 75m.

[fire wall]

Buzzzzzzzzzzz, your docs are my docs.

[mfds]

Aerads dont show the width of the turning node, its only depicted on the edge of an expanded taxi chart ... gues you chaps are using Jeps?

[spectatoral]

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