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MrPhotoMan
1st Apr 2008, 15:08
I took the following photos of what to me looks like a very near miss above London Docklands on Monday evening.

I don't know much about aviation and spotting planes, so I may be mistaken, but they look pretty darn close to me!! Could it be that one of the pictures shows damage from them touching?!

I'm sure it's possible to work out exactly how close they were, as I have all the exif information from the photos attached. I was using an Olympus e-510 dslr camera, zoomed in to 150mm (300mm equivalent on a 35mm film camera). The photos have been cropped down from full resolution (3648x2736 pixels) to 445x311 pixels.

I'm rather hoping someone is able to calculate how close they were?

I took the photos from the footbridge across Royal Victoria Dock, and I was pointing West (and a touch north) as the plane came in to land in to London City Airport to my East.

The link to Picasa shows the full photos and the plane coming in to land at London City Airport 66 seconds later (also on the same focal length, showing just how close they must have been).

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/alexkerry1980/P3310947cropped.jpg

More photos are here:
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/f...944cropped.jpg (http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/alexkerry1980/?action=view&current=P3310944cropped.jpg)
and here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/alexjkerry/20080331Docks/


Thanks,

Argonautical
1st Apr 2008, 15:59
Thank God it's only April 1st once a year.

chevvron
1st Apr 2008, 16:50
So a '146 on final for 09 at City in the same frame as an A340 on base for Heathrow 27 at least 1000ft above. What's wrong with that then?

Speedpig
1st Apr 2008, 19:00
Sell it to the Daily Mail.
They're clearly both BA aircraft that should have been going to T5.:bored:

MrPhotoMan
1st Apr 2008, 19:33
Ha ha!

Daily mail editors if you are reading, 500 quid and they're all yours. And yes, come to think of it, they were both heading for T5. And definately BA.

I still think they're too close. With a bit of trigonometry, lengths of planes, and knowledge of air traffic guidelines for safe distances, it should be possible to work out how close they are to a degree of accuracy.

Is it normal to see planes flying like this over a capital city?

HEATHROW DIRECTOR
1st Apr 2008, 19:47
<<I don't know much about aviation>>

Then absolutely nothing more needs to be said.......

<<I still think they're too close. With a bit of trigonometry, lengths of planes, and knowledge of air traffic guidelines for safe distances, it should be possible to work out how close they are to a degree of accuracy.>>

For Heavens sake stop going on about something you know nothing about...

ThreadBaron
1st Apr 2008, 20:01
With a bit of trigonometry, lengths of planes, and knowledge of air traffic guidelines for safe distances, it should be possible to work out how close they are to a degree of accuracy.Can't do a thing without knowing the focal length of your lens, old son!:=:)

And even then they are still. safely. separated!!!

Read up on foreshortening with the use of long lenses. You might find it interesting.

Did I bite?

CABUS
1st Apr 2008, 20:02
Comedy:ugh:

Lobo3
1st Apr 2008, 20:54
It must be said again,"Thank Whatever,April 1st is Only 24hrs.!!:ugh::rolleyes:"

chiglet
1st Apr 2008, 22:00
I was using an Olympus e-510 dslr camera, zoomed in to 150mm (300mm equivalent on a 35mm film camera).
More likely 225mm.

More likely 225mm focal length....:rolleyes:
watpiktch

The Flying Stool
1st Apr 2008, 22:20
Quote: MrPhotoMan:"I don't know much about aviation and spotting planes, so I may be mistaken, but they look pretty darn close to me!! Could it be that one of the pictures shows damage from them touching?!"

I hate to be pedantic, but why if you know nothing about aviation or plane spotting are you a member of an aviation related forum?:confused:;)

MrPhotoMan
1st Apr 2008, 22:47
Thanks for all your comments.

I think I may have sussed out what the apparent 'damage from impact' is on the photo:

The Flying Stool, your name sparked a brain wave. Of course, 'stool'. Surely it is a passenger flushing the toilet coincidentally just after the planes have 'near missed'?

Gar
2nd Apr 2008, 08:31
Some people on here take themselves far too seriously! I say bravo to the OP

Invicta DC4
2nd Apr 2008, 09:16
What about the near miss over London yesterday involving a number of red aircraft? Apparently, they were only a few feet apart at one point.

dubh12000
2nd Apr 2008, 11:08
Near miss?

You can clearly see that that C17 Galaxy has taken a chunk out of the DC-8.

That's also most likely to be fuel pouring out of the tail tank.

richardnunney
2nd Apr 2008, 11:12
I heard that those red planes were causing so much wake turbulence that there were multiple typhoons just behind them! :ok:

silverelise
2nd Apr 2008, 12:09
What about the near miss over London yesterday involving a number of red aircraft? Apparently, they were only a few feet apart at one point.

Lovely quote in the Metro today, from some old boy in London "the flypast was all over far too quickly because the planes flew too close together"

:ugh:

PPRuNeUser0171
2nd Apr 2008, 16:14
I saw those red planes as well as they flew over the London Eye at 1pm - way too close to the eye...... and certainly too fast to appreciate properly. :p

dollydaydream
2nd Apr 2008, 16:28
Too fast indeed.............many moons ago I tried to take photographs of those 'red planes', not quite a box brownie but an old thing which my dad thought was state of the art!
All I got , after waiting the 10 days or so for them to be developed, was a little puff of red smoke in the corner of one photo!
I did however have some very lovely clouds in the sky pictures:bored:

boguing
2nd Apr 2008, 17:11
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll141/boguing/889_8986c.jpg?t=1207156248

Dunsfold 2006

PThomas
2nd Apr 2008, 17:42
http://www.power-waves.net/images/gallery_images/aviation_07.jpg

RingwaySam
2nd Apr 2008, 18:39
PThomas,

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6194403&nseq=20

Alot more impressive with a 747 & 767 :E

Captivep
3rd Apr 2008, 13:08
Oh my God - that's terrifying!!!!!

Just kidding...
:)

PPRuNe Dispatcher
3rd Apr 2008, 16:59
This is what I would call reasonably close....
http://mik.me.uk/plogger/thumbs/lrg-286-s_img_0988_filtered.jpg

ThreadBaron
3rd Apr 2008, 19:31
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/threadbaron/DSCF0032Crop-1.jpg

Airborne 2005. The only one of many, many photos that day that were any good. Due to luck rather than skill on my part, thanks to the camera's shutter lag. Oh to be able to shoot on datum!

Is that yours Dispatcher?

asuweb
3rd Apr 2008, 20:05
Some more "near misses"

http://www.pprune.org/forums/www.alanurquhart.co.uk/aircraft/img_0086.jpghttp://www.alanurquhart.co.uk/aircraft/img_0226.jpg

http://www.alanurquhart.co.uk/aircraft/img_0203.jpg
http://www.alanurquhart.co.uk/aircraft/img_0086.jpg

PPRuNe Dispatcher
4th Apr 2008, 07:34
Is that yours Dispatcher?

Yes, that's mine, taken with a Canon 20d SLR. It's a superb digital SLR with extremely short shutter lag.

I've uploaded quite a few "close" pics to http://mik.me.uk/plogger/index.php?level=collection&id=1


http://mik.me.uk/plogger/thumbs/lrg-25-s_img_0061_filtered.jpg
http://mik.me.uk/plogger/thumbs/lrg-53-s_img_0145_filtered.jpghttp://mik.me.uk/plogger/thumbs/lrg-207-s_img_9945_filtered.jpg

PPRuNeUser0171
4th Apr 2008, 09:50
http://gallery.gdwnet.com/farnborough/slides/airshow_00360.JPG

HeathrowAirport
4th Apr 2008, 09:57
No mate this is what you get when EGLC use Easterflies and Heathrow use westerflies.

This is about 1000-1500ft and i get it happening over my house every day.

Regards,

Robbie

Dop
4th Apr 2008, 10:35
For the best ever tutorial on perspective effects, it is necessary to turn to Father Ted

"This is very small.
Those are far away."