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Art Field
12th Nov 2007, 13:20
Todays Telegraph announces a new post for a one star of Director Continuous Improvement and Support in the Defence Equipment and Support organisation. Is this just one more job for the big boys or a genuine chance to put some power behind the need for progress on many important issues?.
The Helpful Stacker
12th Nov 2007, 13:24
With the RAF reducing (reduced?) to around 41,000 just what will the ratio of air rank officers to non-air rank personnel be?:rolleyes:
r supwoods
12th Nov 2007, 16:34
Continuous Improvement = Lean, Cuts and Stretch ... and this new post will do just that, I'm told!
insty66
12th Nov 2007, 17:36
Excellent!
Just what we need!
RETDPI
12th Nov 2007, 17:56
With the RAF reducing (reduced?) to around 41,000 just what will the ratio of air rank officers to non-air rank personnel be?:rolleyes:
When the RAF drops much below 40,000 personnel, I think you may well then find that question to be irrelevant.
If Des can double hat the whole damned shebang (badly, admittadly), why can't one of the existing One Stars?
N Joe
12th Nov 2007, 18:06
I would have gladly tried some "Continuous Improvement" during my SEngO tour, and would have been ecstatic to receive some "Support" from the IPT. Unfortunately, I spent my tour trying to cope with the numerous adverse effects of increasing tasking combined with reducing manpower. And as for support from the IPT, they were too busy trying to cope with the devastating cuts being imposed on them to provide anything approaching an acceptable level of support.
Let's hope this Air Cdre can sort everything out. And assuming he's not a one-man-band, I wonder how many Gp Capts and SO1/2/3 posts will also be created?
N Joe
vecvechookattack
12th Nov 2007, 18:17
Is DESO an IPT ?
Mystic Greg
12th Nov 2007, 18:20
This new One Star post is being off-set by the downgrading of another existing One Star post to Gp Capt - a fact which is not obvious from the announcement in the paper.
SARREMF
12th Nov 2007, 21:59
ah ha!
it all makes sense now. They had to close down DESO - the Defence Equipment Sales Organization to make room for this new Air Commode! CISiDESO - or is his new title a cryptic message for Des B? Sissy-Des-O. I know I know, I need to get out more. getting coat
DummyRun
12th Nov 2007, 23:19
Maybe we should outsource icecream licking........
tridit
13th Nov 2007, 09:14
Last I saw there were 399 Gruop Captains so that means almost one in every 100 will be at least a 4ringer add in ranks above and not many worker bees left
cornish-stormrider
13th Nov 2007, 10:48
Excellent, More chiefs for the indians to report to. In triplicate with the red and green striped ink on polka dot paper. It was due last week.
Oh and you are out of date rafft, ccs, irt, have 2000 hours of work backlogged onto JPA, have not been paid, your quarter is falling down and you are due out in the 'stan in 36 hours.
If you couldn't take a joke you shouldn't have joined......
Sorry Mr Torpy, I didn't realise I'd joined a circus. Where do I collect my clown boots and spinning bow tie??
The acronym in this knob job is there if you look hard enough!
Director Continuous ImProvement and SupporT In the DefenCe Equipment & Support Knobber
cornish-stormrider
13th Nov 2007, 13:45
Whats the one for CAS then??
And how would it be said in polite society??
I find the idea of there being 2 sqns worth of Group Captains kicking about, almost hysterical.
LEAN is a complete crock. Civvy companies smirk when its mentioned now, but just as the military was late taking it onboard, so it'll be late getting rid of it.. well, until a fresh batch of scrapers looking for a career project wise up to the possibilities of course.
Maybe we should lean the RAF as a whole so that the influence of the ever-growing strata of filtering between the left hand and the right hand (comprising Sqn Ldrs, Wg Cdrs and Gp Capts all battling for careers) could be removed.
ZH875
13th Nov 2007, 16:05
Last I saw there were 399 Gruop Captains so that means almost one in every 100 will be at least a 4ringer add in ranks above and not many worker bees left
Figures from the RAF List on the RAF website reveals the following Numbers and Ranks in the RAF:
3 Air Chf Mshl
9 Air Mshl
25 AVM
82 Air Cdre
258 Gp Capt
1265 Wg Cdr
2559 Sqn Ldr
4261 Flt Lt
386 Fg Off
65 Plt Off
872 OCdt
1 Chpln Chf
1 Prncpl Chpln
23 Revd (Wg Cdr)
32 Revd (Sqn Ldr)
5 Revd (Flt Lt)
Not counting the OCdt, the total is 8975, so in a force of 40,000, almost 1 in 4 is an Officer, and each Officer has an average of 3 people to 'manage'.
With 62 Revd ranks, means each sqn could have a couple of Reverends each.!!!
Wrathmonk
13th Nov 2007, 21:04
For balance have a look at the latest DASA Stats (http://www.dasa.mod.uk/natstats/tsp9/tsp9tab1.html)which includes all ranks (and if you can be bothered to search their site it has all sorts of other interesting facts (!), including VO stats (previously known as PVR))
Do we really have 1150 WO/MACR?
Sadly, because of JPA (what else!) the latest Army stats are not available. However, the Navy stats are there - surprising to see that even as a smaller Service than the RAF they have more Senior Officers than Junior.
vecvechookattack
13th Nov 2007, 22:57
each Officer has an average of 3 people to 'manage'.
Astonishing....truly astonishing......
Rigger1
14th Nov 2007, 09:55
258 Group Captains, ok so that’s 1 per station – 58 stations according to the RAF website, but some of them, have an air rank in charge, some a Wing Co and some are satellites, Mona etc, so lets say 40 stations with a Group Captain (A very rough guess). 1 Groupie to carry each air officers bags, that’s another 119 so what are the other 81 doing, apart from costing us a fortune. And as for 82 Air Cdre’s ….. don’t’ get me started.
PS. How many Air ranks are still drawing massive pensions from when we actually had an air force?