View Full Version : How About a PPRuNe Fly-In?


BRL
12th Jun 2007, 10:50
Just thinking about it we have not had a day out for some time.

Who fancies a fly-in then?

Usual situation, you supply a date and place and it goes from there.

Suggestions please........



Mariner9
12th Jun 2007, 11:31
Good idea BRL

Why don't we copy an idea from another forum and make this a student fly-in? The idea being that PPL's offer their RHS to a student (or low hours PPL) who can gain some valuable experience away from their normal training environment (and perhaps in different aircraft).

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 12:15
Cunning plan. I will try to be on my best behavior.... :O

Somewhere in France, Le Touq, Caen, Cherbourg?

Wrong Stuff
12th Jun 2007, 12:31
Or Ostend? No need to book customs, friendly big airport experience, cheap bus into town for moules frites, beach and chocolate shops, and I believe the airport are doing a half price offer for landings at weekends. And it's somewhere that a good number of people won't have been.

Fuji Abound
12th Jun 2007, 12:53
What about Alderney?

Cheap fuel, feels like you are going to the Caribbean (well nearly :)), everyone can go and meet up at the Braer Hotel on the beach for lunch .. .. .. maybe they would put on a barbie

Fly Stimulator
12th Jun 2007, 12:56
A slight drawback with Ostend is that Belgium demands an 80 euro fee to issue permission to Permit aircraft to enter the country.

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 13:11
And Alderney is as as dull discussing the serial numbers on a train with a fat smelly old weirdo. If we are doing the CI we could at least do somewhere with some life like Guernsey.

France still gets my vote, friendly to all aircraft types (even the DAY/VFR lot :p ) and usually somewhere nice to eat.

Fly Stimulator
12th Jun 2007, 13:16
...somewhere nice to eat.

A vital item on any pre-departure checklist!

I second France.

PPRuNe Towers
12th Jun 2007, 13:19
I really like Mariner9's idea and I'd have no problems running one jointly with the Flyer folks.

3/4 seater types get to fly with regular chums and still have space to show life after qualifying to others. Retention is the key aim other than a great day out.

Regards
Rob

davidatter708
12th Jun 2007, 14:15
What bout leicester centre of uk for all uk pilots plus i wouldnt have to go far :}
David

Wessex Boy
12th Jun 2007, 14:15
I did the last Flyer Student Fly-in in a very nice shiny PA28-181 and it was a really good experience to do some serious VOR/GPS nav in and around very busy controlled airspace with an experienced Pilot.

Convivial lunch and good company thrown in for good measure, a great day out!

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 14:21
What bout leicester centre of uk for all uk pilots plus i wouldnt have to go far
David

A fly-in has to be a worthwhile trip. Leicester as a bacon butty run not a fly in.

Mariner9
12th Jun 2007, 14:29
What bout leicester centre of uk for all uk pilots plus i wouldnt have to go far

The idea David is that you'd get to fly in someone's aircraft free of charge (or for a nominal agreed cost share), therefore you should want to fly far! If any of the Leicester-based pilots have a free seat I'm sure you'd be offered one (Rod 1, Dubtrub?)

I like the Ostend suggestion (despite the hassle for Permit aircraft). Channel Islands good too Or how about a farm strip on the coast for a day on the beach eg Bolt Head?

DubTrub
12th Jun 2007, 14:46
I really like Mariner9's idea and I'd have no problems running one jointly with the Flyer folks Irony is that they are us (mostly) and we are them (mostly).:}

Wrong Stuff
12th Jun 2007, 14:51
Review of Ostend: http://www.polestaraviation.com/?p=24

Current landing fee EUR 17.10 for a 1315kg aircraft.

Yes, shame about the charges for PFA aircraft. Would many (any?) really come? I'm sure hundreds would say they would, but we all know there's a huge difference between the numbers who say they'll be there and the numbers who turn up.

Anyway, if not this time then perhaps for others planning a day trip on another occasion, it's an excellent and very easy day out.

Somewhere with an instrument approach would make it likelier that at least some aircraft will make it.

BRL
12th Jun 2007, 14:55
Irony is that they are us (mostly) and we are them (mostly).
Indeed, I am 'one of them' myself!!!!!!

Anyhow, I would prefer a UK based fly-in for a number of reasons. Not everyone can attend with a club aeroplane as some can only come for an hour or two and I feel abroad is a tad too much for club flyers (regarding time of having aeroplane out).

Others reasons are varied, I have not much time now to go into it as I am just about to leave for work but experience shows a lot more people will turn up for a UK fly-in. How about a seperate 'international fly-in sometime..?

I would suggest somewhere like Compton Abbas, Shoreham (obviously) or Cranfield. Just suggestions as I say but let's go with the flow and all that!

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 14:58
BRL, All pants barr Compton which is marginall. The rest of them have shocking landing fees and little else to offer.


Why not Le touquet, just as accessible to club flyers as those places you have suggested and makes for a little more interesting destination.


Not to mention the endless pages of "how do I do this...." that would follow to keep us all engaged.... :O

Genghis the Engineer
12th Jun 2007, 14:58
We could pick a date in July, then choose from the airfields that have "free landing" vouchers in the July issues of the usual flying magazines?

G

Three Yellows
12th Jun 2007, 16:15
Ghengis .... what a cheapskate... wouldn't it be better to pick a venue which suits our needs and then do a deal with the club/airfield, rather than the whole GA community turning up on the same day because its 'free'. I think to take the magazine voucher and organise a fly in on the back of it would be taking the p**s a bit.

Genghis the Engineer
12th Jun 2007, 17:23
Merely making a suggestion, as a way of helping along the decision making process! The landing fees are trivial, but I quite like the vouchers as a way of making me think of airfields I might not have visited otherwise.

G

gcolyer
12th Jun 2007, 17:30
How about Weston EIWT?

Some good NAV work and bloody busy airspace. They have a great restraunt or you can take the 30 min cab in to Dublin.

Landing is £15 euros.

or

Newtonards EGAD

Some good NAV work and can be bloody busy airspace. They have ano restraunt but it is a few minutes stroll in to Newtonards or a 20 minute cab ride in to Belfast.

Landing fee £10

tangovictor
12th Jun 2007, 17:40
Quote:
Irony is that they are us (mostly) and we are them (mostly).

Indeed, I am 'one of them' myself!!!!!!

Anyhow, I would prefer a UK based fly-in for a number of reasons. Not everyone can attend with a club aeroplane as some can only come for an hour or two and I feel abroad is a tad too much for club flyers (regarding time of having aeroplane out).

Others reasons are varied, I have not much time now to go into it as I am just about to leave for work but experience shows a lot more people will turn up for a UK fly-in. How about a seperate 'international fly-in sometime..?

I would suggest somewhere like Compton Abbas, Shoreham (obviously) or Cranfield. Just suggestions as I say but let's go with the flow and all that!
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if this is the case ? why have the PFA fly ins been so poorly attended ?

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 18:00
Because most of us who post on here have done all the UK things already and a trip overseas even to France or ROI gives a bit of variety and reminds us why we fly.

I would be unlikely to attend a UK one unless it was somewhere really interesting. No loss I know.

pumper_bob
12th Jun 2007, 19:09
I would have thought 3-4hrs or more in a club aircraft would be acceptable for a full days booking? I have never heard of more than 3hrs a day requirement from any club renting out tourers? So i put my vote with a foreign fly out/in! Kortrijk is about 50 milesESE of Oostende, with all the usual amenities.

Wrong Stuff
12th Jun 2007, 19:29
From a practical point of view, if you can fly to Shoreham, there are no real barriers to stop you flying that extra 20 minutes to Le Touquet. The main barrier for most is purely psychological.

I think one of the aims of a fly-in should be to encourage people to spread their wings and try something outside their usual local bimble. If that means losing a few participants, then fine. Perhaps those who aren't able or willing to fly it themselves should grab one of the spare seats along with the students.

oli,_the_original
12th Jun 2007, 19:37
France is good. Flew out there Saturday, with a load of other planes from the club to Le Touquet, and I found it good as a low-hours as I got relatively busy airspace, but not overwhelmed, as well as amazing service on the ground.

Three Yellows
12th Jun 2007, 20:02
Do Le Touquet still insist on faxing/emailing pax details two hours before arrival time?

I had heard that after the fax machine overheated one day, they had given that idea up?

Rod1
12th Jun 2007, 20:16
I have visited L2K more times than I have most UK airfields. How about Mull or Oban?

Rod1

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 20:25
Nice idea Rod but weather is to debatable heading that direction I think?

Much greater chance of not making it or getting stuck!

France I think is a better option.

oli,_the_original
12th Jun 2007, 20:32
Unless we head towards cornwall?

Pull Back
12th Jun 2007, 20:40
I'm up for any destination - if my steed is back in the air by then!!!

I've not been abroad yet, or Cornwall, in fact come to think of it, I have not got that far away at all, I had every intention over the winter once I got into a new share, but unfortunately a small prang has had the aircraft on the ground since :sad: .



PB

FlyingForFun
12th Jun 2007, 20:51
Fantastic idea!

If it's somewhere in northern France, I'll most likely be up for it. Depending how finances are, I might even take a Duchess over from Bournemouth, and there'll be either 1 or 2 spare seats for anyone who fancies some twin experience? Otherwise I'll probably take a single, because I can't afford to pay for the twin by myself!

Mind you, it would also have to be a weekend when I'm not busy moving house.....

FFF
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SkyHawk-N
12th Jun 2007, 20:53
Fly-in by committee, the idea is doomed to failure! :}

pumper_bob
12th Jun 2007, 20:58
OK< we have a lot of suggestions. How about naming your first, second and third choices, and a count at the end to decide the venue? Democracy in the truest sense of the word:)

To start here's mine.
1, Ooostende.
2, Mull
3, L2k

1st gets 10 points
2nd gets 6 points
3rd gets 4 points

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 21:03
If this is a day trip then it wants to be somewhere that has food on or near the airfield. Ostende is a bit of a hike into town for a day trip. LFAT is ideal. Deavuille is not bad.

Mull is a pain for weather and reliability of access.

Cornwall is even worse!

Cherbourg is pretty good.

DubTrub
12th Jun 2007, 21:43
There seems to be a few interested in a fly-out to somewhere abroad.
There also seems to be a few interested in a fly-out to somewhere within the UK.
Perhaps this thread could be split into two....those willing to join Mr BoseX et al on a trip where it costs 80 Euros to even think of going there...
...and one in the UK where we might have a half-chance of getting a decent response, especially if we are to get students involved.
I would be interested in joining BRL, Mariner9, Genghis and Duns & Lavies on a UK destination. Somewhere reasonable like Old Sarum, Compton, Sywell, Booker, Tollerton, Tatenhill, Enstone, Hucknall, etc etc.
A trip abroad is for a different thread, I think.
DT

BRL
12th Jun 2007, 21:56
IOW anyone????????

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 21:56
Er No Rob. I am not organizing anything. I merely pointed out that I would not be coming a trip to anywhere local to us. I realise that your photo copied maps have limited coverage but there is a bigger world more than 30 minutes from the Leicester overhead.

If there is an interesting trip then I am up for it. I will leave the bacon butty fly ins to you.

Cheers!

Fuji Abound
12th Jun 2007, 22:15
I think I sort of agree with Bose.

However, I am not sure of the point of this fly in.

If it is to meet fellow PPruners, stand around chat and have something to eat then it only needs to be somewhere that will make a bit of an effort to lay on some decent food.

If, on the other hand, it is to encourage everyone to go somewhere a bit different with somewhere in mind outside the airfield to go then Bose may be right.

Mind you simply suggesting a destination is a waste of time.

I mentioned Alderney because it is not too far, but offers something different for many. I happen to know that there is a really nice hotel on the island's best beach which will lay on a decent lunch, its really quick and cheap for people to get lifts backwards and forwards in one of the island's taxis or mini buses and cheap fuel is an added insentive.

There are even regular flights from Bournemouth, Southampton, Shoreham and Bristol if spouses, etc want to go and there isnt room or they dont like aircraft with rubber bands.

If it is not somewhere in the UK - gove Alderney a try?

davidatter708
12th Jun 2007, 22:18
I think most students would prefer something Uk and not over water as our club demands a cross water check which as a student I do not have the money for and as I have no real need for going cross waters much its a big outlay for not much. However any where in the Uk I would be happy to fly to. Somewhere unusual that is normally not considered as a destination.
David

Chukkablade
12th Jun 2007, 22:22
Again, with Bose-X on this one. Something that stretches my experience level is what I'd hope for, and the usual UK runs are just a little, well, same old same old really.

That over water hop might be a purely phsycological hurdle, but it's one I'd like to slay.:O

stickandrudderman
12th Jun 2007, 22:36
I'd prefer it to be across a pond (any pond!), but will happily attend and offer seats to those interested no matter what the destination.
For what it's worth I prefer Deauville to The tuke.

Pumper Bob's suggestion of scoring has merit, but let's keep it simple by finding out "here or there" first!:ok:
Actually, now I think of it, I've never been to Scotland!

Chukkablade
12th Jun 2007, 22:54
Aaah, if the weather is good, it's great, but if it's lousy...........unless your IMC qualed or better, your going no-where:{

Whirlybird
12th Jun 2007, 22:56
How many of you have been to Bruntingthorpe? Central in the UK, lots of interesting aircraft to see, fairly unusual place...ask anyone who's been there. Unfortunately you can't get food there, but I believe there's a pub down the road, though not sure of this.

Chukkablade
12th Jun 2007, 23:08
Been there to hoon my car around the track with the lads, but never via the air. There are a few pubs within a 15 mile radius that do big eats, and the organisers of our track day were a friendly, accomodating bunch.

It's not foreign though:(

Billredshoes
12th Jun 2007, 23:10
Hi
What about the weekend of Aug 3-5 Kemble .
Stroud Vintage Transport Club ( 50 + Steam Engines 100 vintage cars / Planes and a Full day out with lot and lots to look at do ) + NO LANDING FEE if PPR before hand.

Will also be a a good day for students and pilots with kids.

I have a PDF poster if any one would like it please PM.

Please note not part of the club but i have taken the Ant there for the last 3 years and it
is one of the best shows we go to !!!

bose-x
12th Jun 2007, 23:11
ideal for dubtrub, he will barely need to leave the circuit and the same for me.

A no for me, to close.

Blues&twos
12th Jun 2007, 23:35
If you make it somewhere in the UK, I could forget all the worries about a/c hire costs, landing fees etc and drive there....

TwoDeadDogs
12th Jun 2007, 23:41
Hello all
Try the Society of Amateur Aircraft Constructors (SAAC) Fly-In, last weekend of July, at SAAC Field, Taghmon, County Wexford, Ireland. Homebuilts and Classics and whatever else turns up.600 metres of grass, plenty of room for visitors and a warm welcome is guaranteed. Near Waterford Airport and Kilkenny airfield is not far off either.
We erect a marquee every year, have our mini-PFA style Fly-In and eat and drink and tell the usual lies and bullshit and have a great deal of fun and chat 'til the wee hours.We get many visitors from the UK and parts East and the weather gods usually give us good VFR weather.
regards
TDD:)

mazzy1026
13th Jun 2007, 08:46
If any-one's flying out from Liverpool or surrounding area and needs some RHS moral support - give me a buzz :E

Rod1
13th Jun 2007, 08:59
I am confused as to what we are trying to arrange.

If we are trying to set up a help the novice flyin/out then this has to be in central UK. I arranged a “first time across the sleeve” session with flyer some years ago and it worked very well, but most clubs have introduced mandatory instructors for your first trip, (a money grabbing exercise) so this is no longer much use.

If we are interested in “something different” for experienced pilots then L2K, or the rest of the north of France is probably not it, as Scotland with a backup of Cornwall would be much more unusual, challenging and fun.

If we want to visit L2K because it has a good food and people like it, then I understand, but it is very boring.

Mull is open all summer and the hotel is within walking distance, fuel is available a few miles away at Oban and the scenery is breathtaking.

Rod1

bose-x
13th Jun 2007, 09:05
Well when we decide, I will have 2 seats free from Spanhoe or Leicester.

I am with Rod on teh Cornwall Scotkland views but neither are a day trip for most people.

How about we decide the purpose of the trip, the level of those wanting to go and the duration of the trip.

If it is a student fly in to somewhere local and easy it's not my thing. If it's LFAT then I would go as I like it.

If its a pukka trip then I am well up for it. The Flyer Annecy trip is a good example.

Chilli Monster
13th Jun 2007, 09:15
I see so many people sayig cross channel is too expensive, yet if it's somewhere like Le Touquet it's often cheaper than going anywhere else on the South Coast or similar.

Have you not heard of DRAWBACK?

Subject to dates not clashing with work, would be interested with a couple of seats spare.

GK430
13th Jun 2007, 09:22
Well said Chilli - it is actually cheaper to go abroad than do a long inland sector. And if the fuel's cheap at the other end, better still.
Have paid the 82 Euros (plus £20 bank charges) to enter Belgian Airspace, so need to capitalise on it. Koksijde Airshow coming up in a couple of weeks time.

Bruntingthorpe - just try. From what I hear they can invent events on the airfield and say "NO". And bearing in mind the great desire to see the Vulcan, "NO" might be an even more frequent response to Prior Permission Requests.

If someone yes "YES" please let me know and I'll be in the queue:ok:

Blinkz
13th Jun 2007, 09:44
I'm up for a fly-in, not been to one before so it would be a great experience. I'd prefer it to be UK based since otherwise I'd have to get a cross-channel check flight which I can't really afford to do as well as do the fly-in!

I'll be flying from Blackbushe most likely in an Archer, but maybe in a Seneca if I get checked out in it before the meet, so will most likely have a couple of seats spare.

Am also happy to not fly and be RHS support for anyone else who is wanting to go from any of the airfields around the west of London.

As for where to go, well thats a tough one since everyone seems to want different things. I think we need to remember that we're going to meet up with fellow aviators and enjoy the day so it doesn't have to be a hugely challenging field etc, if we are wanting to have students come and have as big a turn out as possible then we need to get the nice balance of interesting but not too taxing an airfield......as to where that could be I really don't know! IoW would be nice, maybe somewhere in Wales? :ugh:
:ok:

BRL
13th Jun 2007, 10:51
Looks like there will be two fly-ins. An international one (a first) and a UK one.

I am confused as to what we are trying to arrange.

If we are trying to set up a help the novice flyin/out then this has to be in central UK. I arranged a “first time across the sleeve” session with flyer some years ago and it worked very well, but most clubs have introduced mandatory instructors for your first trip, (a money grabbing exercise) so this is no longer much use.

If we are interested in “something different” for experienced pilots then L2K, or the rest of the north of France is probably not it, as Scotland with a backup of Cornwall would be much more unusual, challenging and fun.

If we want to visit L2K because it has a good food and people like it, then I understand, but it is very boring.

It is a simple fly-in. We have done them in the past and they have been busy and really good fun. Simply decide where and when, fly in, meet people you already know and some new people and sometimes people go for a spin in each others planes. I don't know where this 'student' stuff came from, I don't care who you are whether you fly, are training or don't even fly at all everyone is made very welcome indeed, but I do agree that any spare seats should be made available, offered to 'students'.

I will close this one now and start two new threads for the different fly-ins based on what has been suggested here so far, who knows, we might even be able to agree somewhere this year!!! :D