300 sec min delay between postings !!!!

[IO540]

This is completely ridiculous.

The normal mode of using this forum, for anybody other than very sad anoraks, is to login, post a few replies/comments, and then get out and get back to work.

In any case, the server logs me out after a few minutes.

[S-Works]

Tell me about. It's a bit of a conversation killer!!

[SkyHawk-N]

The normal mode of using this forum, for anybody other than very sad anoraks

Says he who has a 2.93 posts per day average ! :}

[BRL]

This is completely ridiculous.

The normal mode of using this forum, for anybody other than very sad anoraks, is to login, post a few replies/comments, and then get out and get back to work.

In any case, the server logs me out after a few minutes.

Have you emailed the admin here to get it reduced at all?

[tiggermoth]

I'd imagine the 300 second thing is there to prevent spammers from posting hundreds of messages all over the boards.

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

Probably right but it's still bloody irritating!

[Flyin'Dutch']

Agree.

Would have posted sooner but.............

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 127 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 98 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 70 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 54 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 37 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 29 seconds.

This forum requires that you wait 300 seconds between posts. Please try again in 2 seconds.

:sad:

[Keygrip]

Then it would appear that the software should be changed, so that after your FIRST attempt to post within 300 seconds it then resets the clock to 300 every time you post.......then you won't get some idiot blocking the server by making at least seven stupid attempts to post a message when they know it will be rejected.

I was trying to WORK on here this morning, and sometimes got the message "Server too busy. Try later" - possibly caused by somebody with a failed sense of humour trying to post seven times within the 300 seconds.

Maybe, just maybe, the 300 second rule has been generated by posters like you!!

[Flyin'Dutch']

Keygrip,

I think the failure of humour is yours.

To make out that you could not 'work' on here cause someone hit the 'submit' button 7 times in 5 minutes is a laugh.

To have a 5 minute time out between postings is excessive, narks people off and stops the flow of postings on a thread with people being delayed in posting so that posts come onto a thread out of time order.

Ultimately this is not my trainset so the powers that are and their underlings can decide whatever they jolly well wish, but I don't come on here for some gratuituous flak from you.

Maybe it would have been better if you'd made the effort to explain why this time out has to 5 mins so that we, the great unwashed can understand what this is all about. In a similar vein as Danny explaining why there are now probationary periods for new members.

[S-Works]

Is it just this forum or all of them? Whyt has it been done.

Teh worst possible thing for forum that charges advertisers based on the number of people who visit it is to cut down the number of visits.

The reason people visit the forums is to view and post, if they cnt post they won't bother coming back and the forums will become stale.

30 seconds would have been more reasonable.

Well thats me done for another five minutes..... Better head of to Flyer.

[englishal]

I was trying to WORK on here this morning, and sometimes got the message "Server too busy. Try later" - possibly caused by somebody with a failed sense of humour trying to post seven times within the 300 seconds.
Then the system needs upgrading.

Frankly, although Pprune is provided to us for free, there is a finacial interest in us visiting here, advertisers wouldn't advertise if there were no visitors! Prehaps this is a ploy to get us to click through some of the ads while we are waiting? Trouble is it back fires and in the 5 minute gap we booger off somewhere else.....

Many people visit this forum in breaks from work or whatever, look at the threads and post off a few replies. If we have to wait for 5 minutes between posts then this will end......

Oh well, only 300 seconds to go......

[dublinpilot]

I agree.

300 seconds between posts is way too long.

Has the probationary membership not solved any problem with spammers?

If not, then perhaps Pprune needs more moderators rather than less frequent users :rolleyes:

[QDMQDMQDM]

Then it would appear that the software should be changed, so that after your FIRST attempt to post within 300 seconds it then resets the clock to 300 every time you post.......then you won't get some idiot blocking the server by making at least seven stupid attempts to post a message when they know it will be rejected.

I was trying to WORK on here this morning, and sometimes got the message "Server too busy. Try later" - possibly caused by somebody with a failed sense of humour trying to post seven times within the 300 seconds.

Maybe, just maybe, the 300 second rule has been generated by posters like you!!

Keygrip,

You well know that Flying Dutch is one of the most respected members of this community, who contributes enormously to what happens here, both on the Private Flying forum and elsewhere, such as the Medical forum, through his specialist knowledge as a GP and FAA AME. The community is pprune. Without the community, there is nothing here. I speak as someone who founded and ran another respected community site for a number of years, the Motley Fool UK.

This kind of abuse is childish and petulant, does nothing for your own reputation and nothing to enhance the goodwill on pprune.

I think you should apologise to him and work instead to get this silly rule lifted for regular, loyal users at the very least.

QDM

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

Beat me to it; because ............

I see the rule caught bose-x out.

[slim_slag]

I speak as someone who founded and ran another respected community site for a number of years, the Motley Fool UKPretty impressive stuff, would be silly to ignore advice of that nature.

[BlueRobin]

Anyone PM'd Danny? No? :ooh:

[gasax]

Having just fallen foul of this stupid piece automation I have patiently waited, and waited and waited - so I could complain.

If this persists my modest posting rate will become zero - as will my visits. If you want to flog advertising it will be interesting to see how long you can do it with falling numbers of posters and hence visitors.

I visit UKGA maybe once a week - if the posters dry up here I'll probably fall into a similar 'weekly check' of Pprune.

It's a shame such short sighted judgement appears to be being exercised by 'the management'

[Saab Dastard]

Anyone PM'd Danny?

Fear not, this is actively being discussed by the Mods and Admins.

FWIW I agree with all of you that 5 minutes is an inappropriate length of time between posts that does not reflect how a large number of members utilise the forums, and the actions of a minority (e.g. in treating JB as a "chatroom") should not detract from the experience of the majority by imposing OTT restrictions.

I hasten to add this is purely my opinion and does not necessarily reflect the views of any other mods or admins.

SD

[BRL]

Guys and Girls, I can assure you that steps are being taken to sort this problem out. It is bloody annoying for us mods too and I can only appologise for the frustration caused at the moment. As I say, the sitution is being looked at behind the scenes here and hopefully normal service should be resumed shortly!



(As an aside though, how would you suggest dealing with people who post drivel on almost every thread every day?(Not in this forum by the way.....)

I ask out of curiosity really- I know how you all feel about this but how can we get around this avoiding the dreaded 300 second thing.....?)

:)

[SkyHawk-N]

BRL, how about removing/reducing the 300 second wait for those who have paid some money to PPRuNe?

[QDMQDMQDM]

If it's only in Jet Blast, then who cares? Unless it's a bandwidth question. Is it?

[IO540]

Sorry to state the obvious, but why not have a chatroom here?

I don't hang around in them myself but many many people live their entire lives in them, so why not provide it?

One can do an acceptable chat facility entirely via HTTP, with a self refreshing browser window.

[bencoulthard]

BRL, how about removing/reducing the 300 second wait for those who have paid some money to PPRuNe?


I second this.
Would that mean you'd pay then SkyHawk-N?

[Gertrude the Wombat]

(As an aside though, how would you suggest dealing with people who post drivel on almost every thread every day?
By some means other than killing the entire site stone cold dead for the other 99.9% of punters.

[S-Works]

Guys and Girls, I can assure you that steps are being taken to sort this problem out. It is bloody annoying for us mods too and I can only appologise for the frustration caused at the moment. As I say, the sitution is being looked at behind the scenes here and hopefully normal service should be resumed shortly!
(As an aside though, how would you suggest dealing with people who post drivel on almost every thread every day?(Not in this forum by the way.....)
I ask out of curiosity really- I know how you all feel about this but how can we get around this avoiding the dreaded 300 second thing.....?)
:)

lock the offending accounts?

[bencoulthard]

Locking wouldn't stop them just registering another account though

[Keef]

No, but IP addresses are a dead giveaway. Putting a 5-minute wait on probationary members would stop the trolls from registering new addresses to get round a block.

[TheKentishFledgling]

Anyone PM'd Danny? No? :ooh:

Sure of this, BR?

tKF

[dublinpilot]

As an aside though, how would you suggest dealing with people who post drivel on almost every thread every day?(

1. Block their IP address
2. Subject their IP address only to the 300 second restriction
3. Give them a forum specifically for their drivel. I had sort of naively assumed that's what JetBlast was.

dp

[SkyHawk-N]

I second this.
Would that mean you'd pay then SkyHawk-N?

I have absolutely no problem with the 300 second restriction, as has been said before this is a forum site not a chat room.

[Flyin'Dutch']

I have absolutely no problem with the 300 second restriction, as has been said before this is a forum site not a chat room.

Good for you.

Others do and hence the complaints.

Seems it has been reduced to 120 seconds, a major improvement.

Maybe we can run with that for a bit and see how it goes?

[SkyHawk-N]

Good for you. Others do

Sorry Flyin'Dutch', how dare I have a different point of view to you. :=

[BRL]

I have just got in from work to find it has been reduced to 120 seconds, much better indeed. :)

There have been some good ideas suggested here how to deal with it, and as Frank says, 120 seconds will do for now, see how that goes, maybe it will reduce in time if the serial posters back down a bit.

It is not just JetBlast that it is happening in, some mods have reported some users in other forums as being a bit trigger happy too. Thankfully, our forum here is pretty much safe from these kind of people and the people who do post a lot here, and there are a few, post constructive, well balanced, helpfull posts and it is easy for us all to see why this 300 second thing has annoyed most of us here.

I think by now the serial offenders will have been emailed by the admin to ask them to curb their posting habbits and the 'probationary user' function is serving us well at the moment too, a bit of a hassle for the new user to wait to get the posts verified as and when myself or Keygrip get around to doing them, but generally this method has stopped the spammers advertising as they used to. No one wants to come to this forum to read how to buy cheap phones, ipods, fake watches or loose weight or such so probationary user issue is not a bad thing.

Regarding the chat room, this has been done before. It did cost a lot of money for the licence to operate an exclusive pprune chat room, I think it was around a thousand pounds a year or so and it ended up with most of the chat room users there contributing out of their own pockets to keep it running. This came to an end though as most people, the regulars there, were in touch via msn or similar anyway and the chat room was eventually dropped.


Thanks for the responses chaps, as I say i was just curious as to what everyone thought of all this, me asking for your opinions is just that, not an offical ask by the site owners. :)

[IO540]

Curious about the chatroom costing that much.

It's true that in an HTTP system the PC has to constantly poll the server for any updates, whereas with a java-based user end there is no traffic whatever unless somebody has sent or received a message.

AFAIK all the original chatrooms used java (or dedicated .exe clients) but later had to move to HTTP because most people use them at work where the non-HTTP ones got blocked by properly configured corporate firewalls :)

I am actually pretty unhappy with the whole business of web based forums; I have been using Usenet for over 10 years and much prefer its incredible efficiency, killfiles for unwanted posters, etc.

Of course I can see why web based forums have "taken over the world": #1 simplicity of use; #2 pretty presentation with advertising being possible; #3 everything can be archived.

But one pays a price for this, which is that the range of expertise on these forums will always be rather limited because, in any human activity whether it is flying or growing tomatoes, those who know most about it have the least amount of time to write about it.

So, a web forum will always be suspended in mid-air, between those who have lots to say but never say anything worth reading, and those who have something worthwhile to say but don't visit very often because they are too busy.

Usenet suffers the same problem of course, but IMHO it stabilises at a much better position, containing much more expertise as a result. If I want to ask a very specific technical Q about anything, I head for e.g. rec.aviation.ifr or whatever.

Just a meaningless rant really :)

[Gertrude the Wombat]

...I have been using Usenet for over 10 years and much prefer ...
Of course I can see why web based forums have "taken over the world": ... #3 everything can be archived.
The Google usenet archive is just fine.