Simple question about FIRs

[drauk]

Where can I find a list of the different FIRs? Despite googling for 10 minutes I've not been able to find any.

Failing that, what are the FIRs for any of the countries in Western Europe?

Thanks in advance.

[Mike Cross]

Chart of the European ones on the AIS website here. (http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/en/image/chart.pdf)

Full listing in ICAO Doc 7910, AFAIK this is not available on line and has to be purchased.

There's a lookup on the Eurocontrol Website here. (http://www.eurocontrol.int/icaoref/)

Annex 15, which I mentioned to you on the phone can be downloaded from here. (http://dcaa.slv.dk:8000/icaodocs/)

Bear in mind that anything from an "unofficial" source may not be up to date.

Mike

[drauk]

Thanks Mike. That covers it.

[dublinpilot]

Another unofficial source....

You could download PocketFMS, click "File" "Select FIR" and you'll have a worldwide list there.

dp

[drauk]

Hmm, I'm confused.

I asked for this brief:

http://www.da.dsc.net/flying/images/grab2.png

and I got this:

http://www.da.dsc.net/flying/images/grab1.png

The highlighted item, which as you see is directly beneath the En-Route Information title for LFEE: Reims, is for Exeter aerodrome. There are dozens and dozens like this.

Is it a bug in the AIS software or am I misunderstanding it?

[DubTrub]

Is it a bug in the AIS software...
You're 'avin' a laaarrrffff, ain't ya?:ouch:

[Mike Cross]

Is it a bug in the AIS software or am I misunderstanding it?

No it isn't and yes you are.

To get to the screen you are showing you clicked on something that said "Area Brief (all FIR and AD NOTAM)"

If you ask for AD NOTAM that's what you will get.

[rustle]

If you ask for AD NOTAM that's what you will get.

Okay, but why is the Exeter info under the LFEE heading? I could follow the logic if it appeared under EGTT.

[dublinpilot]

But why would an EGTT notam appear under the Area for LFEE?

Whenever I do an NOTAM brief for a flight from EINN FIR to EGTT FIR, the enroute notams are split under both headings. I wouldn't expect an EGTT notam to but shown under EINN section.

Is my expectation wrong?

[Mike Cross]

But why would an EGTT notam appear under the Area for LFEE?

As far as I can see it doesn't. I've just run the same brief but with only EGTT and LFEE in the FIR boxes and everything is exactly where you would expect it.

What drauk has posted is not what he got on his screen, it's something he's edited.

There are circumstances when you might expect to get it. e.g. if you had something with a Radius of Influence that crossed an FIR boundary.

[rustle]

I'll try it again myself when I stop getting:

Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request



What a crock of ****. :yuk:

[drauk]

What drauk has posted is not what he got on his screen, it's something he's edited.

Mike, you've been really helpful in the past, but give me a break okay? I've NOT edited that screenshot - why the heck would I do that?

It's exactly as I got it. If you run the brief with a few FIRs they come out in the right place. When I run it for all those listed it comes out as I've shown it. That's why I asked the question.

[dublinpilot]

The dreaded 500 error has stopped....


E N - R O U T E - I N F O R M A T I O N :

LFEE: REIMS

AGA : Q)EGTT/QLPAS/IV/BO/A/000/999/5222N00129W005
FROM 06/07/14 13:56 TO 06/08/15 23:59 C3181/06
E)RWY 23 5.5 DEGREE PAPI U/S.


COM : Q)EGTT/QCTXX/IV/B/AE/000/055/5057N00121W050
A)EGHI FROM 06/04/16 06:30 TO 06/10/28 20:45 B0404/06
E)SOUTHAMPTON CTR/SOLENT RADAR CTA HOURS OF OPERATION:
MONDAY TO FRIDAY 0530-2130
SATURDAY 0530-2045
SUNDAY 0630-2130
AND OTHER TIMES WHEN NOTIFIED.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARCH/I/BO/E/195/999/4815N00340E300
FROM 06/05/09 13:48 TO 06/11/22 23:59 A1727/06
E)SETTING UP AWY UY873 LUMIL-DELOB POSTPONED :
AWY UY473 BELDI-LUMIL-TULNI KEEPS ITS STATUS
'AWY USABLE WITH UAC INSTRUCTION' AND DOES NOT BECOME YET
'WE AND NIGHTS CDR1. CDR3 DURING WEEK OUTSIDE MENTIONNED PERIODS'
AS PUBLISHED IN AIP AIRAC AMDT NR 03/06 PAGE ENR 3.2-64


RAC : Q)EGTT/QSEAH/IV/B/E/000/095/5309N00031W030
FROM 06/05/30 05:45 TO 06/10/28 16:30 EST B0950/06
E)WADDINGTON LARS HOURS
MON-THU 0545-2259. FRI 0545-1700. SAT/SUN 0700-1630.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMHAS/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5145N00135W005
FROM 06/06/14 13:10 TO 06/12/31 23:59 EST U1174/06
E)RHAG (BAK 14) NOT AVBL


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMRXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5218N00048W005
FROM 06/08/04 09:55 TO 07/07/31 23:59 L2451/06
E)WIP UNDERSHOOT RWY 03L, GROUND LEVELLING THE SOUTH WESTERN CORNER
OF AD. RWY 03L DISPLACED THR MARKED WITH BLACK/WHITE BOARDS. LDA RWY
03L REDUCED TO 779M


RAC : Q)EGTT/QAFXX/V/NBO/E/000/999/5206N00157W303
FROM 06/08/07 10:48 TO 06/09/14 08:00 B1416/06
E)CAA VFR CHART EDITION 10, ENGLAND SOUTH, 1:250000 VALID FM 13 APRIL
2006.
THE CAA HAS BECOME AWARE THAT A NUMBER OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHARTS
WERE CREASED DURING THE LAMINATION PROCESS. IN SOME CASES THIS
CREASING HAS LED TO A SMALL AMOUNT OF CHART DATA BEING HIDDEN AND
THIS MAY IMPACT ON THE CHARTS USABILITY.
ANYONE WHO HAS PURCHASE ONE OF THESE CREASED CHARTS MAY RETURN IT TO
THEIR SUPPLIER AND OBTAIN A REPLACEMENT. CAA APOLOGISES FOR THE
INCONVENIENCE CAUSED.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARCH/I/BO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/08/03 00:00 TO 06/08/30 23:59 A2814/06
E)ROUTES AVAILABILITY DOCUMENT (RAD):
AIP SUP NR 99/06 REFERS.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARXX/IV/NBO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/04/05 00:00 TO 06/10/26 23:59 A0982/06
E)PARTICULAR MEASURES IN FRANCE UIR, DURING CERTAIN
DAYS OF YEAR 2006.
AIP SUP NR 028/06 REFERS.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARXX/IV/NBO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/05/05 00:00 TO 06/10/27 23:59 A1080/06
E)USE OF THE PREDETERMINED WEEK-END ROUTES NETWORK
DURING CERTAIN BUSY FRIDAYS OF 2006, IN FRANCE UIR.
AIP SUP NR 029A/06 REFERS (PROVIDED NOW ON SIA WEB SITE).


NAVW: Q)LFXX/QRRCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/4826N00324E129
FROM 06/08/16 00:00 TO 06/08/16 23:59 A2925/06
E)VERY LOW AND MEDIUM ALTITUDE AREAS ACTIVITY
SR: 04.50
SS: 18.58
AREA R45 A BOURGOGNE B AUTUNOIS
C ARBOIS D DOUBS
08.30 - 10.00 : ACT
11.00 - 12.30 : NOT ACT
13.30 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R45 NORD
07.30 - 10.00 : ACT
10.00 - 12.00 : NOT ACT
12.00 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
SS TO 24.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R45 SUD
07.30 - 10.00 : ACT
10.00 - 12.00 : NOT ACT
12.00 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
SS TO 24.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R69
07.00 TO 24.00 : ACT
AREAS R53 A BEAUVAISIS D CAMBRAISIS
SS+30 - SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREAS R53 B SEINE C PICARDIE
SS+30 - SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREA R152
SS+30 A SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREAS MA
CBA16B : 06.00-15.30 : ACT
F)SFC G)UNL


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMPXX/IV/BO/A/000/999/5227N00145W005
FROM 06/07/20 09:40 TO 06/08/28 17:00 C3261/06
E)REVISED PUSHBACK PROC DUE WIP. ACFT DEPARTING FM STANDS 1, 2 AND 3
WILL BE RQUIRED TO TOW TO HOLD Y2 BEFORE STARTING ENGINES AND
DISCONNECTING TOWBAR.


NAVW: Q)EGTT/QRDCD/IV/BO/W/000/150/5033N00211W008
FROM 06/07/28 11:30 TO 06/09/04 07:30 J2967/06
E)DANGER AREA EG D026 DEACTIVATED
F)SFC G)15000FT AMSL


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMPXX/IV/BO/A/000/999/5124N00321W005
FROM 06/04/29 23:01 TO 06/08/31 23:59 EST C1925/06
E)WEF 29 APR 2301, NEW STAND LAYOUT:
ALL BASE AIRLINES WILL RECEIVE DETAILS OF THE NEW STAND LAYOUT IN
WRITING BY 25 APR 06
IMMEDIATE COPIES OF THE LAYOUT PLAN ARE AVAILABLE BY FAX EMAIL OR
POST. REQUEST ARE TO BE MADE TO CARDIFF OPERATIONS ON 0044(0)1446
712565 OR EMAIL OPERATIONS(AT)CWL.AERO


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5109N00011W005
FROM 06/03/30 13:21 TO 06/10/28 23:59 A0757/06
E)TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION RULES 1991 FOR AIRPORTS SERVING THE LONDON
AREA.
THE CAA, IN EXERCISE OF ITS POWERS UNDER THE ABOVE RULES AND HAVING
CONSULTED GATWICK AIRPORT LTD AND AIRPORT COORDINATION LTD ANNOUNCES
THE HOURS OF PEAK CONGESTION AT GATWICK AIRPORT FOR PURPOSES OF THE
ABOVE RULES ARE AS SPECIFIED BELOW:
MONDAY 0500-1855
TUESDAY 0500-1355 1500-1955
WEDNESDAY 0500-1355 1600-1955
THURSDAY 0500-1455 1600-1755
FRIDAY 0500-1355 1500-1955
SATURDAY 0500-1555 1800-1855
SUNDAY 0500-1955


COM : Q)EGTT/QCACR/IV/B/A/000/999/5221N00006W005
FROM 05/12/06 15:16 TO PERM U1711/05
E)PRIMARY FREQS AT WYTON ARE TWR 119.975 AND APP 134.05
UHF FREQS STILL AVBL AND MONITORED


NAVW: Q)EGTT/QWPLW/IV/M/AW/000/120/5130N00159W005
A)EGDL FROM 06/08/15 12:00 TO 06/08/15 13:00 H2842/06
E) AUS 06-08-0081/3008/AS1
FREEFALL TEAM PJE DISPLAY WI 5NM RADIUS 5130N 00159W (LYNEHAM, WILTS)
FROM 1 C130. DROP TIME 1230. C130 MAY OVERFLY THE DROP ZONE ON
COMPLETION OF THE DROP. AUS ACN 06-08-0081 DATED 07 AUG 2006 REFERS.
OPS CONTROL RAF LYNEHAM ATC 01249 890381 EXT 6231.
F)SFC G)12000FT AMSL


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5129N00028W005
FROM 06/03/26 00:01 TO 06/10/28 23:59 A0756/06
E)TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION RULES 1991 FOR AIRPORTS SERVING THE LONDON
AREA.
THE CAA, IN EXERCISE OF ITS POWERS UNDER THE ABOVE RULES AND HAVING
CONSULTED HEATHROW AIRPORT LTD AND AIRPORT COORDINATION LTD ANNOUNCES
THE HOURS OF PEAK CONGESTION AT HEATHROW AIRPORT FOR PURPOSES OF THE
ABOVE RULES ARE AS SPECIFIED BELOW:
ARRIVALS DEPARTURES
MONDAY 0500-1955 0500-1955
TUESDAY 0500-2055 0500-2155
WEDNESDAY 0500-2055 0500-1955
2100-2155
THURSDAY 0500-1955 0500-2155
FRIDAY 0500-1955 0500-2155
2100-2155
SATURDAY 0500-1055 0700-1655
1200-1755 1800-1855
2100-2155
SUNDAY 0500-1955 0700-2155


OTH : Q)EGTT/QOBCE/IV/M/A/000/999/5129N00028W005
FROM 05/12/28 09:11 TO 06/12/20 12:00 EST A2786/05
E)MULTIPLE CRANES IN TERMINAL 5 CONSTRUCTION SITE ADJOINING RWY 09L
AND 09R THR UP TO 417FT AMSL. ALL CRANES INFRINGING TRANSITIONAL OR
APCH SURFACES FOR RWY 09L AND 09R WILL BE LOWERED FOR LANDING ACFT.
ALL CRANES INFRINGING TAKE OFF CLIMB SURFACES FOR RWY 27L AND 27R
WILL BE LOWERED FOR DEP ACFT. PUBLISHED LANDING OR TAKE OFF DATA IS
NOT AFFECTED BY ANY OF THE CRANES. OUTSIDE NORMAL OPERATIONS, ALL
CRANES CAN BE LOWERED WITHIN 15 MIN IF REQUIRED.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5124N00326W005
FROM 06/01/23 12:14 TO 06/11/30 09:30 EST U0178/06
E)DUE RWY LIMITATIONS ONLY ACFT WITH AN ACN OF 30 OR LESS ACCEPTED.
ACFT WITH AN ACN GREATER THAN 30 ACCEPTED IN AN EMERGENCY, AT THE
CAPTAIN'S DISCRETION


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMRXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5052N00046W005
FROM 06/07/28 13:30 TO 06/09/15 17:00 L2364/06
E)RWY 10/28 (GRASS) TEMPO WITHDRAWN


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAAP/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5006N00540W005
FROM 06/07/22 09:04 TO 06/10/25 23:59 L2302/06
E)AD PPR BY TELEPHONE.
AD 2.3 REFERS


OTH : Q)EGTT/QOBCE/IV/M/A/000/999/5346N00302W005
FROM 05/11/21 09:55 TO 06/10/01 21:00 C4340/05
E)CRANE OPR PERIODICALLY 200 DEG 400M FM RWY 07/10 THR.
MAX HGT 100FT AGL


COM : Q)EGTT/QIDLT/I/NBO/A/000/999/5131N00235W005
FROM 06/01/06 00:01 TO 06/12/31 23:59 L0036/06
E)RWY 09 ILS DME 110.55 CH427 MAY UNLOCK INSIDE 4 DME FROM TOUCHDOWN.
ANY DISCREPANCIES SHOULD BE REPORTED TO ATC 01179364748.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5237N00029W005
FROM 06/05/02 06:00 TO PERM U0851/06
E)RAF WITTERING STATION AIR OPS WILL NO LONGER BE CONTACTABLE ON EXT
7090. THE NEW CONTACT NO WILL BE RAF WITTERING (95351) EXT 7052 AND
ALL CALLS OF AN OPERATIONAL NATURE SHOULD BE MADE TO THIS NUMBER
INCLUDING REQUESTS FOR PPR. PLEASE ENSURE THAT THE CONTENTS OF THIS
NOTAM ARE GIVEN THE WIDEST POSSIBLE DISTRIBUTION. ALL EN-ROUTE
SUPPLIMENTS AND PLANNING DOCUMENTS WILL BE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAAH/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5044N00325W005
FROM 06/03/26 08:00 TO 06/10/31 09:00 C1326/06
E)SUMMER OPR HRS. AD STRICTLY PPR FOR ALL NON-SCHEDULED FLIGHTS
OUTSIDE OF PUBLISHED HANDLING HOURS. AD 2-EGTE-1-1 PARA 2.3 REFERS.


COM : Q)EGTT/QCSXX/I/B/E/000/999/5222N00129W050
FROM 06/08/02 15:33 TO 07/01/31 23:59 B1395/06
E)SSR CODE 0250 WILL BE USED BY COVENTRY AIRPORT OVER THE PERIOD
SPECIFIED ABOVE. THE CODE WILL BE USED AS A CONSPICUITY CODE BY ACFT
UNDER THE CONTROL OF COVENTRY AIRPORT. THE CODE WILL BE UNVERIFIED
AND UNVALIDATED.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMRXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5044N00325W005
FROM 06/06/16 15:00 TO 06/10/31 08:00 C2782/06
E)ACFT CODE C AND ABOVE, LANDING RWY 08, IF UNABLE TO VACATE BY TWY C
ARE TO PROCEDE TO THE END AND USE THE TURNING CIRCLE.


OTH : Q)EGTT/QOBCE/IV/M/A/000/999/5134N00042E005
FROM 06/05/09 07:00 TO 06/12/31 16:00 C1959/06
E)3 LIT CRANES OPR 035DEG/1400M FM ARP HGT 270FT AMSL/237FT AGL


NAVW: Q)LFXX/QRRCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/4826N00342E129
FROM 06/08/14 00:00 TO 06/08/14 23:59 A2923/06
E)VERY LOW AND MEDIUM ALTITUDE AREAS ACTIVITY :
SUNRISE : 04H46
SUNSET : 19H00
ZONE R45 A BOURGOGNE B AUTUNOIS
C ARBOIS D DOUBS
09H30-11H00 : NOT ACTIVE
12H00-13H30 : NOT ACTIVE
14H30-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R45 NORD R45 SUD
08H30-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
11H00-13H00 : NOT ACTIVE
13H00-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
SS TO 23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R45 SUD
08H30-11H00 : NOT ACTIVE
11H00-13H00 : NOT ACTIVE
13H00-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
SS TO 23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R69
08H00-23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R53 A BEAUVAISIS D CAMBRAISIS
SS+30-SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R53 B SEINE C PICARDIE
SS+30 TO SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R152
SS+30 TO SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS MA
CBA16B : NOT ACTIVE
F)SFC G)UNL


RAC : Q)EGTT/QPACH/I/NBO/A/000/999/5124N00321W005
FROM 06/03/16 00:01 TO 06/08/30 23:59 EST C1214/06
E)REF AD 2-EGFF-1-9 PARA 2 'PROCEDURES FOR INBOUND AIRCRAFT'
CHANGE TO READ: FROM THE NORTH VIA AWY N862 ROUTE DOBEM-CDF


AGA : Q)EGTT/QFAHX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5109N00011W005
FROM 06/07/15 07:55 TO 06/09/30 23:59 A1797/06
E)INCREASED BIRD ACTIVITY AT WESTERN END OF AD DURING DAYLIGHT HR.


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMHXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5141N00147W005
FROM 06/07/25 10:09 TO 06/10/27 16:00 U1416/06
E)PORTABLE ACFT ARRESTOR GEAR (PAAG) INSTALLED 260FT WEST OF 2000FT
DISTANCE REMAINING MARKER RWY 27. 61FT FM BOTH EDGES OF RWY.
EQUIPMENT HEIGHT 6.7FT


OTH : Q)EGTT/QOLAS/IV/M/E/000/030/5337N00140W001
FROM 06/08/04 11:59 TO 06/08/20 23:59 N0104/06
E)EMLEY MOOR PARTIAL OBST LGT U/S, 533644N 0013953W
1924FT AMSL, 1084FT AGL


AGA : Q)EGTT/QMRXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5140N00203W005
FROM 06/08/14 09:00 TO 06/08/17 17:00 L2547/06
E)PARACHUTE TOWING ON RWY 31 UP TO 100FT AGL, ACFT MUST NOT FLY OVER
THE PFA EVENT AREAS LOCATED S OF RWY 08/26


NAVW: Q)EGTT/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/050/660/5404N00147E049
FROM 06/08/14 09:00 TO 06/08/14 16:30 J3320/06
D)0900-1100 1500-1630
E)SOUTHERN MDA EG D323C ACTIVATED
F)FL050 G)FL660





That is all items listed under LFEE Enroute section....nothing removed.

There are an awful lot of EGTT items in there.

[Mike Cross]

OK, I couldn't reproduce it, but then I wasn't trying it with as many FIR's as you.

I've now done it with the same FIR's as you and I still get everything looking right.

So what are we doing that is different?

E N - R O U T E - I N F O R M A T I O N :

LFEE: REIMS

COM : Q)LFEE/QNBAS/IV/BO/AE/000/195/4859N00615E025
A)LFJL FROM 06/08/07 10:00 TO 06/08/18 10:00 B5079/06
E)NDB LOU 388KHZ OUT OF SERVICE:
MAINT, DO NOT USE
POSSIBLE WRONG INDICATIONS


RAC : Q)LFEE/QATCH/IV/NBO/AE/000/190/4754N00702E020
A)LFSB FROM 06/08/10 00:00 TO 06/11/10 23:59 B4863/06
E)DISPENSATORY SECTORS WITHIN BALE MULHOUSE TMA:
SEE SUP AIP NR 103/06.


RAC : Q)LFEE/QAECD/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/4859N00615E025
A)LFJL FROM 06/08/07 05:00 TO 06/08/20 09:00 B4662/06
E)S/CTA NANCY DEACTIVATED DURING TIME OF CLOSING OF OCHEY APP


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARXX/IV/NBO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/04/05 00:00 TO 06/10/26 23:59 A0982/06
E)PARTICULAR MEASURES IN FRANCE UIR, DURING CERTAIN
DAYS OF YEAR 2006.
AIP SUP NR 028/06 REFERS.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARXX/IV/NBO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/05/05 00:00 TO 06/10/27 23:59 A1080/06
E)USE OF THE PREDETERMINED WEEK-END ROUTES NETWORK
DURING CERTAIN BUSY FRIDAYS OF 2006, IN FRANCE UIR.
AIP SUP NR 029A/06 REFERS (PROVIDED NOW ON SIA WEB SITE).


RAC : Q)LFEE/QACCD/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/4859N00615E005
A)LFJL FROM 06/08/07 05:00 TO 06/08/20 07:00 B4653/06
E)CTR METZ NANCY LORRAINE DEACTIVATED
AIRSPACE DOWNGRADED TO 'G'


RAC : Q)LFEE/QACCD/IV/NBO/AE/010/115/4904N00606E046
A)LFSF FROM 06/06/21 15:58 TO 06/09/01 23:59 B3915/06
E) S/CTA METZ FRESCATY MODIFIED :
- S/CTA METZ FRESCATY DEACTIVATED UP TO FL115 WHEN METZ APP AND
LORRAINE APP ARE BOTH CLOSED.
- SAT, SUN AND PUBLIC HOLIDAYS BETWEEN SR-30 AND SS+30 :
S/CTA METZ FRESCATY DOWNGRADED TO CLASS E AIRSPACE IF
EXCEPTIONNAL REOPENNING OF METZ APPROACH DURING CLOSURE TIME OF
LORRAINE APP.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARCH/I/BO/E/195/999/4815N00340E300
FROM 06/05/09 13:48 TO 06/11/22 23:59 A1727/06
E)SETTING UP AWY UY873 LUMIL-DELOB POSTPONED :
AWY UY473 BELDI-LUMIL-TULNI KEEPS ITS STATUS
'AWY USABLE WITH UAC INSTRUCTION' AND DOES NOT BECOME YET
'WE AND NIGHTS CDR1. CDR3 DURING WEEK OUTSIDE MENTIONNED PERIODS'
AS PUBLISHED IN AIP AIRAC AMDT NR 03/06 PAGE ENR 3.2-64


RAC : Q)LFEE/QACCD/IV/NBO/AE/000/115/4904N00606E046
A)LFJL FROM 06/06/21 16:15 TO 06/09/01 23:59 B3919/06
E)S/CTA METZ FRESCATY MODIFIED :
- S/CTA METZ FRESCATY DEACTIVATED UP TO FL115 WHEN METZ APP AND
LORRAINE APP ARE BOTH CLOSED
- SAT, SUN AND PUBLIC HOLIDAYS BETWEEN SR-30 AND SS+30 :
S/CTA METZ FRESCATY DOWNGRADED TO CLASS E AIRSPACE IF EXCEPTIONNAL
REOPENNING OF METZ APPROACH DURING CLOSURE TIME OF LORRAINE APP.


RAC : Q)LFXX/QARCH/I/BO/E/195/999/4504N00053E526
FROM 06/08/03 00:00 TO 06/08/30 23:59 A2814/06
E)ROUTES AVAILABILITY DOCUMENT (RAD):
AIP SUP NR 99/06 REFERS.


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/060/4847N00748E010
A)LFSH FROM 06/05/11 00:00 TO 06/12/31 23:59 A1606/06
E)TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA (TRA) WITHIN STRASBOURG TMA :
AIP SUP NR 49/06 REFERS.
F)2500FT AMSL G)4000FT AMSL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWBLW/IV/M/AW/000/050/4852N00511E005
A)LFEU FROM 06/07/22 07:00 TO 06/10/31 16:30 B4713/06
D)2006 JUL 22 TO OCT 31: 0700-1630
E)AEROBATICS OVER AD
PSN : 485206N 0051109E
AXIS : 064/244 CENTERED ON PSN
LENGTH : 1000M
WIDTH : 500M EACH SIDE OF AXIS
USABLE BY ACFT BASED AND THOSE AUTHORIZED BY 'DELEGATION
TERRITORIALE LORRAINE-CHAMPAGNE-ARDENNE'
INFO : 123,500MHZ A/A
F)1500FT G)FL050


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWZLW/IV/M/W/000/030/4913N00629E005
FROM 06/06/07 10:05 TO 06/09/06 23:59 B3515/06
E)MODEL FLY TO EBLANGE, RDL 060/16NM LFSF:
PSN: 491240N, 0062840E
LIMITS: CIRCLE WITH RADIUS 500M CENTRED ON PSN
F)SFC G)FL030


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWPLW/IV/M/W/000/030/4907N00648E005
FROM 06/08/01 08:20 TO 06/10/30 23:59 B5009/06
D)SAT, SUN: (0800-SS).
2006 AUG 15: (0800-SS)
E)ASCENT PJE OVER GUENVILLER, RDL 265/12NM DE LFGU:
PSN: 490700N, 0064800E
INFO: A/A 123.500MHZ
F)SFC G)300M


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWPLW/IV/M/W/000/030/4902N00553E005
FROM 06/08/05 08:00 TO 06/10/01 17:00 B5016/06
D)2006 AUG 05, 06: 0800-1800. 2006 AUG 12, 13, 15, 19, 20, 26, 27:
0800-1700. 2006 SEP 02, 03, 09, 10, 16, 17, 30: 0800-1700.
2006 OCT 01: 0800-1700
E)ACTIVITE DE TREUILLAGE DE PLANEURS SUR AD CHAMBLEY,
RDL 200/8.4NM LFGR:
PSN: 490132N, 0055236E
INFO: A/A 123.500MHZ
F)SFC G)300M AGL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/065/4842N00614E014
A)LFSN FROM 06/07/29 00:00 TO 06/10/29 23:59 B4542/06
E)CREATION OF TEMPO RESTRICTED AREAS OVER NANCY AND MODIFICATIONS OF
S/CTA 1 AND 2 :
AIP SUP NR 098/06 REFERS
F)SFC G)FL065


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRDCD/IV/BO/W/000/055/4728N00459E003
FROM 06/06/19 14:00 TO 06/09/18 00:00 B3803/06
E)LF-D177 (EPAGNY) AREA DEACTIVATED.
F)SFC G)FL055


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTXX/IV/BO/W/000/090/4819N00633E025
FROM 06/06/01 00:00 TO 06/10/25 23:59 B2731/06
E)MODIFICATION RESTRICTED AREAS LF-R 164 :
AIP SUP NR 059/06 REFERS.
F)500FT AGL G)6200FT AGL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/065/4842N00614E014
A)LFSV FROM 06/07/29 00:00 TO 06/10/29 23:59 B4543/06
E)CREATION OF TEMPO RESTRICTED AREAS NEAR AD:
AIP SUP NR 098/06 REFERS
F)SFC G)FL065


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWPLW/IV/M/AW/000/145/4712N00605E005
A)LFQM FROM 06/07/03 00:00 TO 06/08/27 23:59 B3669/06
D)2006 JUL 03 TO 09 : (0530-SS).
2006 AUG 14 TO 27 : (0530-SS)
E)PJE ACTIVITY N0 215 ON AD ACTIVE
F)SFC G)FL145


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTXX/IV/BO/W/000/045/4832N00540E005
FROM 06/06/01 00:00 TO 06/10/25 23:59 B2730/06
E)SETTING UP OF A TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA (ZRT) IN SECTOR OF
PAGNY LA BLANCHE COTE AND MODIFICATION OF RESERVED AREA
LF-R 168 TOUL-DOMGERMAIN.
AIP SUP NR 058/06 REFERS.
F)SFC G)FL045


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWBLW/IV/M/W/000/065/4823N00743E005
FROM 06/07/07 07:30 TO 06/10/06 17:00 B4382/06
D)2006 JUL 07 TO OCT 06 : 0730-1000, 1200-1700
E)AEROBATICS OVER GERSTHEIM
PSN : RDL 162/10.5NM AD LFST
482300N 0074300E
LENGTH : 1000M EACH PART OF PSN
AXIS NORTH / SOUTH ONLY RESERVED FOR PILOTES AUTHORIZED BY
'DIRECTION AVIATION CIVILE NE'
INFO : STRASBOURG APP 119,450MHZ
F)2000FT AMSL G)4500FT AMSL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWJLW/IV/M/AW/000/050/4716N00605E005
A)LFSA FROM 06/07/21 10:00 TO 06/08/15 23:59 B4681/06
E)GLIDER WINCH LAUNCH ACTIVITY OVER AD
WINCH MARKED BY TURNING LIGHTS DURING USE
INFO : A/A 123.500MHZ
F)SFC G)1700FT AGL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWPLW/IV/M/W/000/030/4906N00631E005
FROM 06/08/05 08:00 TO 06/10/29 23:59 B5018/06
D)SAT,SUN:(0800-SS).
2006 AUG 15 :(0800-SS)
E)ASCENSIONAL PJE OVER MARANGE-ZONDRANGE
RDL 056/12.6NM LFJL
PSN: 490600N-0063100E
INFO: A/A 123.500MH
F)SFC G)300M


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWBLW/IV/M/AW/000/070/4844N00621E005
A)LFSN FROM 06/06/26 07:11 TO 06/10/25 17:00 B4017/06
D)2006 JUN 26 TO OCT 25 : 0600-1100, 1200-1700
E)AEROBATICS NR 6156 REMEREVILLE ACTIVATED RDL078/4.7NM LFSN
F)2000FT G)5000FT AMSL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWBLW/IV/M/W/000/060/4901N00552E005
FROM 06/07/01 00:00 TO 06/09/30 23:59 B3976/06
D)2006 JUL 01 TO SEP 30 : (SR-SS)
E)AEROBATICS OVER CHAMBLEY QDR 250/11.2 NM FROM METZ-FRESCATY AD
LFSF :
PSN : 49 01 32N 005 52 36E
AXIS : 05/23
LENGTH : 2400M
INFO : METZ/LORRAINE APP: 119.125MHZ
F)1500FT AGL G)3000FT AGL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QROLP/IV/NBO/W/000/060/4905N00608E005
FROM 06/08/16 00:00 TO 06/08/30 23:00 B5205/06
E)OVERFLYING OF GROSTENQUIN AD PROHIBITED, RDL 090/18NM LFJL :
ABOUT ASSEMBLING OF 30000 PERSONS:
PSN: 490125N-0064307E
OVERFLYING OF GROSTENQUIN AD UNDER 3000FT AGL AND RADIUS OF 3KM
OF AD
F)SFC G)3000FT AGL


NAVW: Q)LFXX/QRRCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/4826N00342E129
FROM 06/08/14 00:00 TO 06/08/14 23:59 A2923/06
E)VERY LOW AND MEDIUM ALTITUDE AREAS ACTIVITY :
SUNRISE : 04H46
SUNSET : 19H00
ZONE R45 A BOURGOGNE B AUTUNOIS
C ARBOIS D DOUBS
09H30-11H00 : NOT ACTIVE
12H00-13H30 : NOT ACTIVE
14H30-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R45 NORD R45 SUD
08H30-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
11H00-13H00 : NOT ACTIVE
13H00-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
SS TO 23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R45 SUD
08H30-11H00 : NOT ACTIVE
11H00-13H00 : NOT ACTIVE
13H00-16H00 : NOT ACTIVE
SS TO 23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R69
08H00-23H59 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R53 A BEAUVAISIS D CAMBRAISIS
SS+30-SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS R53 B SEINE C PICARDIE
SS+30 TO SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREA R152
SS+30 TO SR-30 : NOT ACTIVE
AREAS MA
CBA16B : NOT ACTIVE
F)SFC G)UNL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWPLW/IV/M/AW/000/115/4846N00643E005
A)LFQZ FROM 06/07/03 00:00 TO 06/08/25 23:59 B4144/06
D)JUL 03 TO 07: 0000-2359. JUL 17 TO 21: 0000-2359.
AUG 07 TO 11: 0000-2359. AUG 21 TO 25: 0000-2359
E)PJE AREA 219-1 OVER AD:
PSN: 484631N 0064255E
F)SFC G)FL115


NAVW: Q)LFXX/QRRCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/4826N00324E129
FROM 06/08/16 00:00 TO 06/08/16 23:59 A2925/06
E)VERY LOW AND MEDIUM ALTITUDE AREAS ACTIVITY
SR: 04.50
SS: 18.58
AREA R45 A BOURGOGNE B AUTUNOIS
C ARBOIS D DOUBS
08.30 - 10.00 : ACT
11.00 - 12.30 : NOT ACT
13.30 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R45 NORD
07.30 - 10.00 : ACT
10.00 - 12.00 : NOT ACT
12.00 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
SS TO 24.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R45 SUD
07.30 - 10.00 : ACT
10.00 - 12.00 : NOT ACT
12.00 - 15.00 : NOT ACT
SS TO 24.00 : NOT ACT
AREA R69
07.00 TO 24.00 : ACT
AREAS R53 A BEAUVAISIS D CAMBRAISIS
SS+30 - SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREAS R53 B SEINE C PICARDIE
SS+30 - SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREA R152
SS+30 A SR-30 : NOT ACT
AREAS MA
CBA16B : 06.00-15.30 : ACT
F)SFC G)UNL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/060/4847N00748E010
A)LFST FROM 06/05/11 00:00 TO 06/12/31 23:59 A1605/06
E)TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA (TRA) WITHIN STRASBOURG TMA :
AIP SUP NR 49/06 REFERS.
F)2500FT AMSL G)4000FT AMSL


NAVW: Q)LFEE/QWGLW/IV/M/AW/040/080/4755N00724E020
A)LFSC FROM 06/08/01 00:00 TO 06/12/31 23:59 B4683/06
E)DISPENSATORY SECTORS WITHIN COLMAR S/CTR :
SEE AIP SUP NR 100/06.
F)5000FT AMSL G)FL080


OTH : Q)LFEE/QOLAS/IV/M/E/000/030/4843N00612E005
FROM 06/08/10 11:55 TO 06/11/10 23:59 B5236/06
E)OBST NR 5407 LIGHTS HORS SERVICE
PSN: 48433307N, 0061218E
AIP ENR 5.4-29


OTH : Q)LFEE/QOLAS/IV/M/E/000/030/4744N00721E005
FROM 06/08/05 10:01 TO 06/08/31 23:59 B5126/06
E)PYLON LIGHTING NR 6801 OUT OF SERVICE:
PSN: 474349N, 0072058E


OTH : Q)LFEE/QOLAS/IV/M/E/000/050/4853N00614E005
FROM 06/08/05 20:12 TO 06/08/31 23:59 B5127/06
E)OBST NR 5408 LIGHTS U/S


OTH : Q)LFEE/QOLAS/IV/M/AE/000/999/4735N00732E005
A)LFSB FROM 06/06/13 08:30 TO 06/09/13 08:30 A2153/06
E)OBST LIGHTING ON HILL RDL 155 OUT OF SERVICE:
VISI FOR VISUAL MANOEUVRING WITH AND WITHOUT PRESCRIBED TRACK
RWY 26 AND 34 INCREASED TO 5000M

[Mike Cross]

PS I'm using IE 6.0.2900.2180 SP2

Mike

[dublinpilot]

I'm using IE 7.

I did an area brief, and used the exact same inputs as Drauk, incl the date and time.

dp

[drauk]

I've run it again (in Firefox on my Mac where all my stuff is developed) and get the same mixed up result. I've run it another time using IE 6 on a Windows PC and still the same. I used all the defaults on the Area Brief (all FIR and AD Notam) page, with the exception of a briefing ID 123123, departure EGLL, arrival EGLL and the FIRs listed in my screen shot above. I didn't change the times, FL or anything else.

[rustle]

Well I tried to run it to prove the point, but keep getting error 500 messages from the POS so have given up. :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

[Mike Cross]

Weird

OK I've managed to make it happen. AIS have captured it and it has been passed to Thales for a fix. It seems to only happen when a lot of FIR's are involved.

This is probably a particular set of circumstances that has not come up before in testing or in use. It is, after all, a little unusual to be going from LHR to LHR without a Route but to be wanting NOTAM for 9 other FIRs as well.

Mike

[jabberwok]

It is, after all, a little unusual to be going from LHR to LHR without a Route but to be wanting NOTAM for 9 other FIRs as well.

True - but all software should have an Infinite Improbability Drive built in. Amazin' how Infinite Improbabilities keep turining up..

[drauk]

Thanks for letting them know.

Of course, it is an unusual brief request as you say. But I was following your suggestion of that being the best way to get all the data! It looks like I'll have to ask for a series of briefs which each cover fewer FIRs.

[Mike Cross]

Amazin' how Infinite Improbabilities keep turining up..
I've been sucked down the Swinge while out sailing but so far I've managed to avoid being sucked into the Total Improbablity Vortex. Mind you if I had Trillian with me it would probably be OK.

Anyway what's Turin got to do with it?

[rustle]

This is probably a particular set of circumstances that has not come up before in testing or in use. It is, after all, a little unusual to be going from LHR to LHR without a Route but to be wanting NOTAM for 9 other FIRs as well.

Mike

Shall we send thales an idiot's guide to programming?

Rule #1: Don't put boxes on webforms for people to fill in if you don't know what will happen if people actually fill them in. :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:
Rule #2: If you are going to waste people's lives waiting for things to validate, ensure your validation routines do some validation :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Monkeys. :rolleyes:

[slim_slag]

Methinks drauk is owed a six pack of something cold.