What Cockpit? MK II

[Evileyes]

Welcome to the MK II stage of the "What Cockpit ?" thread originated by Mr_Grubby. By far the most popular single thread in Aviation History and Nostalgia, "What Cockpit? MK I" became too large and unwieldy a file and had to be "ppruned". MK II is a continuation of MK I and will continue as it's predecessor did.

A list of all identified aircraft cockpits from MK I will be posted here as soon as we can get our hands on it.

Anyone needing to refer to "What Cockpit MK I" will find it in it's place of honored retirement here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191916

The current bowler is MReyn 24050 with:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz130.jpg[/IMG]

Hint was that it was a British aircraft.

Cricket23 incorrectly guessed Buccaneer.

BSD gave Sea Vixen a shot and missed.

Next......?

Game on!

[MReyn24050]

List of Cockpits Published in the Original Thread:-
Aircraft.
A.V.I.A FL3
AD-1
Adam A500
Aero 145
Aero Flight Vulcan
Aero L200 Morava
Aeronca C-3
Airspeed Ambassador
Airspeed Envoy
Airspeed Horsa
AN-124
AN2
ANEC 11
Antonov AN124-100
Antonov AN-26
Ao 225 AGO
Apollo Lunar Craft
Arado AR 234
Arado Ar 65
Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle
Armstrong Whitworth Apollo
Armstrong Whitworth Argosy
Armstrong Whitworth Atalanta
Arsenal VG-33
Aviasud Sirocco
Avro 504
Avro 643 A6-8
Avro 652
Avro 707C
Avro Shackleton
Avro Tudor
Avro Tutor
B24
B29
B47 Stratojet
B58A
BAC Lightning Mk 6
BAeS Gripen
Banshee
Barkley- Grow T8P-1
Beagle Terrier
Bede BD-5
Beech T-34C
Beechcraft B55 Baron
Beechcraft V35 Bonanza
Bell AH-1 Cobra
Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey
Bell P39 Aircobra
Bell P-59B Airacomet
Bell X-2
Bellanca Skyrocket
Beriev Be-103
Beriev BE200
Beriev BE8
Beverley
Bloch MB131
Blohm & Voss Bv222 "Wiking"
Blue Angels F18
Boeing 347
Boeing 40A
Boeing 727
Boeing B229 (XB-17)
Boeing YC-14
Boulton Paul Defiant
Breda Ba44
Breda-Zappata BZ-308
Breguet Br-901
Bristol 170 Freighter
Bristol Beaufighter
Bristol Beaufighter
Bristol Bombay
Bristol Brabazon
Bristol Brabazon
Bristol Brabazon
Bristol Brigand
Bristol Buckmaster
Bristol Fighter
Bristol Scout
Bruegeot Atlantic
Bugatti Racer
BV-141
BV155
C46 Commando
CAC Wirraway
Canadair CL-44
Cant Z 1007
Caproni C22J
CASA CN-235
Caudron C445
Caudron C-635 Simoun
Caudron GIII
Cessna 02
Cessna 182
Cessna A185F
Cessna A37
CF100
Cierva C.30
CL-44
Comper Swift
Conair A-26 Firebomber
Consolidated B-36
Convair 990A
Corsair
Cory Bird's Symmetry
Couzinet 70 (Arc en Ciel III)
Curtiss H-16
De Havilland Dragonfly
De Havilland 125
De Havilland 53 Hummingbird
De Havilland C-7A Caribou
DE Havilland Mosquito
De Havilland Sea Vixen
De Havilland Vampire Trainer
Delta Dagger
Dewoitine D-520
DFS 228V-1
Dornier 335
Dornier Do 24
Dornier Do335
Douglas A-20G
Douglas C33
Douglas DC4-C54
Douglas DC5
Douglas Dolphin
Douglas World Cruiser
Douglas X-3
Douglas X3 Stiletto
E28/39
E2B Hawkeye
English Electric Canberra Mk 62
English Electric Lightning T5
English Electric Wren
F leet 7
F22
F4
Fairchild 71
Fairchild 71
Fairchild C119 Boxcar
Fairey Barracuda
Fairey Fox
Fairey Gannet Rear Cockpit
Fairey IIIF
Fairey Rotordyne
Falco F8L
Farnam FC-1 Fly Cycle
FFVS J22
Fiat G-91Y
Fokker DXX1
Fokker FXXXV1
Ford C-4a
FVM/CVM Tummilitin
FVM/CVM Tummilitin
FW 58C
General Aircraft Monospar ST-18
Gloster Gladiator
Gloster Javelin FAW9
Gloster Meteor F8
Gloster Meteor TT20
Granger Archeoteryx
Grob G-103 Twin Astir/Viking TX.1
Grumman Albatross
Grumman Avenger TBM4
Grumman F11F-1 Tiger
Grumman F3F
Grumman F3F-2
Grumman G21A
Grumman Martlet I (F4F-3) AL246
Grumman TBM3E Avenger
Grumman Tigercat
Grumman Tracker S-2
Grumman X-29
HA-200 Saeta
Handley Page Hampden
Handley Page Hastings
Handley Page Herald
Handley Page HP-115
Handley Page V/1500
Hawker Demon
Hawker Hawk
Hawker Hunter
Hawker Sea Fury
Hawker Sea Hawk
Hawker Sea Hurricane
Hawker Tomtit
Heinkei HE 177A-5/R6 Grief
Henschel He129
Heston Phoenix
HFB 320 Hansa Jet
HH53E
HM 293
Horton Ho229
Howard DGA-15
Howard DGA-15
Ikarus 451
Ikarus Kurir (Courier)
Ilyshin 14
Ilyushin IL 14
Ilyushin IL 18
Iskra TS-11
Jaguar
JAS Griphon
Jetstar
Jungmann
Junkers F13
Junkers Ju EF61 E-1
Junkers JU388
Junkers JU52
Kalinin K-12 Zhar Ptitsa
Kawasaki Ki-48
KC 97G
KC-134
Komet
KT1
Laird LC-DW-500
Late 28
Latecoere L631
Lavi
Let 410
Link Trainer
Lockheed C-40A
Lockheed Electra 10
Lockheed F104 Starfighter
Lockheed Hudson
Lockheed Lightning P-38
Lockheed Vega
Loire et Olivier Leo 20
Loolhoven FK-48
Luton Major
M2-F1 NASA Research
Mainair Tri-Flyer
Martin Mars
Me 262
Me 410
Mercury Friendship 7
Messerschnitt 321
Meyers MAC-145
MIG 17
MIG21 Lancer
Mil M-1
Miles M.3c Falcon Six
Miles M.57 Aerovan
Miles M100 Student
Miles Master Control Module
Mirage 2000
Mitsubishi Ki-46 Dinah
Mitsubishi Zero
Morane-Saulnier Paris
NA XB 70
NAMC YS-11a
NAY N3N-3
NH90
Nord 1101 Noralpha/Ramier 1
North American AT-6C
North American F-100 Super Sabre
North American XB-70 Valkyie
Northrop N-1M Jeep
Northrop P-61 Black Widow
OV-1 Mohawk
OV10 Bronco
P40 Warhawk
Percival Jet Provost TMk5A
Percival Pembroke
Piper PA25 Pawnee
Piper Tri-Pacer 160 (1959)
Pitts S-1
Polikarpov I-16
Polikarpov PO-2
Potez 631
Pticairn PA-39 Auotgiro
PW-9
PZL Okecie 101 Gawron
PZL P.37B Los (Elk)
PZL Wilga
QF106
Republic P-47D Thunderbolt
Republic SeeBee
Rohrbach Roland VIII
Rotary Rocket
Ryan PT-22
S108C Voyager
Saab 105
SAAB JA37 Viggen
SAI KZ IV
SAI KZ VIII
Saro Lerwick
Saunders Roes SR.A/1
Saunders-Roe Princess
Saunders-Roe S.R.53
Saunders-Roe Skeeter
Savioa Marchetti S.64
Savola-Marchetti S-55
Savola-Marchetti S79
Schleicher ASK-13
Schreck FBA.H
Scottish Aviation Pioneer C.C.1
SE 2010 Armagnac
Seversky P-35A
Short Empire
Short SC1.
Short SC-5 Belfast
Short Stirling
Shorts C23 Sherpa
Shorts Mercury
Shorts Sunderland/Sandringham
Siebel Fh104
Sigma 7
Sikorsky(1)S22(7) Ilya Mouromets
SIPA S.200 Minijet
Slingsby Hengist
SN601 Corvette
SNCASE SE.161 Languedoc
SNECMA C.450 Coleoptere
Soko J-22 Orao
Sopwith Snipe
Southampton
Spaceship One
Sparten Executive
Spruce Goose
Stampe SV4
Stinson L-13 Grasshoper
Sud Aviation Caravelle Series 1
Sud-Ouest SO.30P
Supercar
Supermarine Spitefull XIV
Supermarine Swift
T-211 Skyskooter
T37B
Tacit Blue Stealth
Taylor Aerocar
Taylorcraft
Thomas-Morse S4C Scout
Thrust 2
Thruster T600
TSR2
TSR2
TU142
TU142M
TU144
TU144
TU-95
TU95MR
Twin Navion
Twin Pioneer
U2
Utva 66
Valentin Taifun 17E
VFW 614
Vickers 432 "Tin Mossie"
Vickers Valiant
Vickers Vanguard
Vickers Varsity
Vickers VC10 A40-AB
Vickers Viscount
Vickers Vixen
Vickers Warwick
Victa Airtourer
Vultee BT13 Valient
Waco YMF-F5C
Westland Lysander
Westland Wapati
Westland Wessex HAS Mk3
Westland Whirlwind
Westland Whirlwind
Wright Hughes IB
X15
XB35
XB-35
XB-70
Yak 42D
Yakolev YAK-141 Freestyle
Yakolev YAK-40
Yokosuka MXY7-Ohka
Zepplin Staaken
Zlin Z37 Cmelak

[Saab Dastard]

Is it Russian? The AI in black&white is very USSR.

Nice new thread, BTW :D

SD

[MReyn24050]

SD
No the aircraft is British.
Mel

[airspeedsalive]

Is it a Vampire?

[BEagle]

Hawker-Siddeley Kestrel F(GA)Mk 1.

[MReyn24050]

Looks like Lightning vintage (but no radar scope.....).
Scimitar?
You have it Mike :ok: it is indeeed the cockpit of a Supermarine Scimitar F.1. The aircraft in the photograph was XD 317.
You have control Mike :)

[Mr_Grubby]

Mel.
Thanks for the PM.

I fully understand the Mods. reasons for curtailing the thread. I would have liked to have seen 3.000 replies and 100.000 views. But never mind.

When I started the thread back in Sept. of last year I had no idea it would take off like this.

Everybody keep guessing !!!!

Clint.

[kevmusic]

Sorry, that link is not acceptable and is against PPRuNe rules. Now removed.

And in answer to your question - you can't not from here but you can edit your own post and links - if they are allowed.

PPP - Moderator

[AppleMacster]

Here's the winners' list:

What Cockpit Winners' List (http://homepage.mac.com/applemacster/Flying/AircraftCockpits.htm)

362 Types so far!

AppleMacster

[BEagle]

Link doesn't work.

Whilst MJ is looking for something suitable, here's one to keep you all going:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/cockpit13May.jpg

[kevmusic]

That glazed nose - B29?

[LowNSlow]

Could it be a Handley Page Victor perchance?

[Saab Dastard]

Much too clean, neat and well organised for a Victor! :p

SD

[BEagle]

B29 - no.
B-70A Valkyrie - no.
Victor - no.

[BSD]

Dornier Do31E?

Twin engined V-Stol experimental transport I think.

[BEagle]

Yup - well done!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/Do-31.jpg

Do-31 it is. I remember it well from the 1969 Paris Air Show.

You have the helm!

[BSD]

The clean lines of the cockpit gave it away. Apparently it was stunningly noisy.

I'll hand the helm back to you, I'm still nt able to post. Working on it though!

[BEagle]

OK - another noisy one:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/May13.jpg

[MReyn24050]

BEagle.
Thanks for your information regarding the link. When I tried it on my PC it worked but after seeing your response I tried via the laptop and as you say no go. So I deleted the Post.
Your latest challenge I think is the Northrop X15?
Mel

[BEagle]

Half right..




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[MReyn24050]

I do apologise. Please delete Northrop and insert North American Aviation.it is of course the North American Aviation X-15.

[BEagle]

Sure is - all yours!




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[MReyn24050]

Thank you BEagle.
I am sure this will be solved in no time.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz116.jpg[/IMG]

[BSD]

F4 Phantom? Can't believe one hasn't appeared already!

Off to work now, won't be able to check for a while, so in the unlikely event .... etc., as ever, would someone like to take the helm on my behalf?

Cheers,

BSD

[MReyn24050]

BSD

No, not a F4 Phantom

[Led Zep]

The only thing that comes close in my eyes is an F-5A of some sort, but it looks far too new and uncluttered. :confused:

[BEagle]

All I can see is a little red cross - the image won't open.

[MReyn24050]

Led Zep

Not the F5A.

Sorry BEagle works on both my PC and Laptop, photograph is on Photobucket and have no problems from that source normally.

Mel

[ZH875]

Mel, BEagle is not the only one who can only see a Red Cross. All other pictures on Photobucket seem ok!, and I haven't changed my settings.

Can you try and relink?

Rgds

ZH

[MReyn24050]

Sorry about this image I have recopied it and reduced the size hopefully this will work.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz116.jpg[/IMG]

Mel

[BEagle]

That's better!

Alpha Jet.

Portuguese Alpha Jet, in fact.

[MReyn24050]

BEagle

:ok:

It is in deed a Dassault-Dornier Alpha Jet.

You regain control

[BEagle]

OK - another relatively straightforward one:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/cockpit14May.jpg

[MReyn24050]

NASA Lockheed T-33A Shooting Star at Dryden possibly early 1970?

[Led Zep]

Looks too tidy/advanced for a T-33 to me? Plus it is missing some lever on the right hand side of the cockpit? :confused:
Mind you, I have no idea what it could be!! :}

[MReyn24050]

[QUOTE=Led Zep]Looks too tidy/advanced for a T-33 to me? Plus it is missing some lever on the right hand side of the cockpit? :confused:
Mind you, I have no idea what it could be!! :}[/QUOTE

I tend to agree with you it really is clutching a straw. Having seen some of Dryden's other aircraft cockpits(Ref X15's at #22 above) I thought they may have cleaned it up. I just cannot place it with any other cockpits of its period.:confused:

Mel

[Led Zep]

I can certainly see where you are coming from. The coaming seems to match but not much else - it has me stumped otherwise.

[BEagle]

Not American and not a turbojet!

[mcdhu]

Shorts Tucano?

[BEagle]

Nope, sorry..







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[Churchill Polar Bear]

Pilatus PC-7

[foxmoth]

NDN Firecracker.

[pigboat]

Beech T34 Mentor?

[MReyn24050]

I think, personally, Churchill Polar Bear has it.

[BEagle]

Yes, PC-7 it is!

You have the helm!

[Churchill Polar Bear]

Thanks, Mr BEagle, here you go.

http://mtill.club.fr/tmp/cockpit2.jpg

I guess this one shouldn't last long.

[Saab Dastard]

Well if it's not a glider, with a yellow cable release, red airbrake lever, a prominent vario, just an altimeter and ASI, I'm a Dutchman!

Open cockpit, fabric covered?

How about a Grunau 2b?

[Churchill Polar Bear]

You are not a Dutchman, and it is not a Grunau 2b either.

[Schiller]

Slingsby Tutor?

[foxmoth]

Slingsby Tutor?

My guess would be the Kirby cadet Mk111 - but I think they are the same beast!

[Churchill Polar Bear]

It is indeed the Slingsby T31 B Tandem Tutor aka Kirby Cadet MK III. :ok:

Mr Schiller you have control

[Schiller]

Sorry to take so long - I've been out.

I'm on a boat in the S of France at the moment so haven't any pictures. Can someone else have a go please?

Happy memories of the Tutor/Cadet. Thirty circuits at the old Christchurch airfield and you were sent solo whether you could fly it or not, aged all of 16. They say that the two things you remember most vividly in your life are your first solo and the time you lost your virginity - but the former more so as you were more likely to have been sober at the time. Many a true thing...

[MReyn24050]

Photograph is rather small Mike. Handley Page 0/400 perhaps? :confused:

[treadigraph]

Small, see what you mean... A Yankee perhaps Mike? Does the name Curtiss dare pass one's lips?

[MReyn24050]

Yankee yes......Curtis - wash your mouth out!! ;)

Nope, not that manufacturer.

In that case it must be the Martin MB-2.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/martin450h.jpg[/IMG]

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Mike.
I will also travel back in time.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz64.jpg[/IMG]

[MReyn24050]

Well this one is British.

[Saab Dastard]

Those control yokes look suspiciously like a set of Wolfram alloys to me :p

[MReyn24050]

SD
Just goes to show, nothing is new.:)

[MReyn24050]

Not a Handley Page Mike.

[BSD]

Is that some form of cable drum in view between the seats and jost for'ard?

I'd go with a seaplane of some sort. A Saro perhap?

[MReyn24050]

Is that some form of cable drum in view between the seats and jost for'ard?
I'd go with a seaplane of some sort. A Saro perhap?

BSD.
Your on the right lines but not a Saro.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mike not a Blackburn either

[LowNSlow]

or is it the military version, the Shorts Rangoon?

Pedant hat ON:

Saab Dastard, I thought the alloy wheel company was Wolfrace?

Pedant hat OFF, rain detector (bald patch) exposed :{

[western_roo]

A Felixstowe, perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

A Felixstowe, perhaps?

Are you able to say which one?
Mel

[western_roo]

I believe it's an SES (Seaplane Experimental Station) Felixstowe F.2 or, perhaps, an F.3 (developed from the American Curtis H-12 seaplane)

http://www.aviation-history.com/felix/f2a-6.jpg

[MReyn24050]

western_roo

Sorry about the delay.You have it, in fact it is a photograph of the cockpit of the Felixstowe F2C.:ok:

You have control.

[western_roo]

I have control...

OK - something a little more modern, this time... good luck (actually, this one shouldn't be toooooo much of a teaser).

http://www.westernroo.com/whichcockpit/roos_whatcockpit.jpg

[cringe]

Douglas X-3 Stiletto. Some may remember it from the previous thread. :)

[western_roo]

Well done, that man -- take a Prune out of petty cash for your efforts.:ok:

[cringe]

Thanks, women like prunes too. :) Here we go:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk44.jpg

[jabberwok]

Wild guess - Japanese?

[Algernon Lacey]

Dinah?
I'll look the correct name up in the morning

[cringe]

Sorry, not Japanese.

[cringe]

Mike, it's a twin. Not Russian.

[treadigraph]

I was reminded of the Douglas A-20 Boston (based on memories of the unmade 1/48 kit that's in my stash...) Am I even vaguely warm?

[cringe]

Nope, sorry. Not American and far less successful than the A-20.

[cringe]

Yup, Italian.

[cringe]

Spot on, Mike. :ok: Your go.

[Saab Dastard]

One of Hawker's finest?

[ZH875]

One of the Miles breed then..?

[ZH875]

As it looks like a fighter type stick, I will try the M20.

[Bert Stiles]

The Martinet @ Woodley Mike ?

[Bert Stiles]

Try this:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/deperdussin.jpg

[ZH875]

Post removed due to shame........

Thanks Saab Dastard.

[Saab Dastard]

ZH875, for shame - what happened to honour and chivalry? ;)

Mike J - is the Martinet being restored to flying condition? It looks to be a very thorough job for static!

SD

[Saab Dastard]

Bert - Fairchild 71, as a random guess :p ? Sorry, you have to go back to the previous thread for that one :)

Mike, Thanks - and thanks for pointing out the existence of the museum in the first place. It's not too far from me, so I must organise a visit with a mate for a nose-around :ok:

SD

[Bert Stiles]

Not this time Mr Dastard - but obviously American though.

[western_roo]

It looks rather like a Spad XII to me... maybe?

[Bert Stiles]

Not a SPAD. Right era. Right purpose. American.

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Sturtevant Model B Speed Scout?

[Saab Dastard]

I would suggest
Thomas-Morse S-4 Scout, but it's been done...

:confused:

SD

[Bert Stiles]

Not Sturtevant. Not Thomas Morse.

[pigboat]

Curtiss R4?

[Bert Stiles]

Not Curtis.

The company produced possibly 5 or 6 aeroplanes. 4 like this, but made other stuff up to about 1979.

[cringe]

Pigeon-Fraser ?

[Bert Stiles]

Have you ever got one wrong?

Sorry can't make a link to Aerofiles - but there are images there of the various frames.

I wonder how it (and its pilot) would've made out over France.

BS

[cringe]

Bert, good to see you back. I've seen your last cockpit pic before, but for the life of me couldn't remember where or what the type was. It was down to your last clue. I get it wrong all the time - just too reluctant to post. :)

Can we try something slightly easier next?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk45.jpg

[cringe]

Sorry Mike, not a six-engined beast.

[FJJP]

Twin. Wheel looks American...

[cringe]

Yes, a twin. Not American.

[mikl]

No pedestal,and this gauge on the upper left side.....
Some flying boat ?

[cringe]

Nope, not a flying boat.

[cringe]

Although an earlier design, it first flew in the '30s. Again: not American.

[cringe]

Another, hopefully more revealing pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk45a.jpg

[rodthesod]

R101, perhaps?

[cringe]

Sorry, not an airship.

[JDK]

Ah'm BACK.

Amiot 143, n'cest past, mes ami?

[cringe]

Mais bien sûr! :ok: Welcome back, JDK. You have control.

[JDK]

It's getting tough remembering what I've posted, and what's still out there!

This is a new one.

Extra points for this aircraft's operating company.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/Myster20005.jpg

[JDK]

No responses?

I didn't think it was that hard (says he in a 'I know what it is' smug way)

Do we need a clue?

[Mr_Grubby]

JDK

Yes please !

Clint.

[JDK]

Good for going around Europe back then (winning prizes for doing so) this example's travelled in Europe right up to date.

It trialled a lot of good ideas for its younger brother.

Now lets see some answers! :D

[JDK]

What? Still not even a stab in the dark?

OK, another clue.

Was used a lot in films (particularly in the 1970s) because its little brother was impossible to get hold of, so it was a fat stand in.

Anyone out there?

[diginagain]

Wild-assed stab in the dark time.

Messerschmitt BF-108 Taifun?

[jabberwok]

I think everyone must be asleep. I'll admit I've waited a while as I was sure someone else MUST have recognised it but here goes..

http://www.bredow-web.de/Berlin_Schoenefeld/Me-108/Cockpit-Me108.JPG

Argghhh - just pipped at the post.

[diginagain]

Sorry, jabberwok, t'was just a stab in the dark given the clues. :ok:

Should it prove to be correct, I'll happily concede to you, since I've no access from work to submit a contribution, and the only photos I've got on the home PC are of Lynx.

Not certain, but perhaps I'm mistaken in capitalising Bayerische Flukzeugwerke products?

[JDK]

Well there y'go.
Just like buses. None for ages and then two at once. :D
Messerschmitt Bf-108 'Taifun' (Typhoon) D-EBEI 'Elly Beinhorn' of the Deutsche Lufthansa Berlin Foundation (DLBS). Beautiful aircraft, the classy way to travel.
The fuselage structure, wing, slats and undercarriage, as well as the tail feathers were all utilised (in concept rather than detail) for the 109; the 'little brother'. Used in 633 Squadron and Von Ryan's Express (among many others) as the Messesschmitt.

[BEagle]

Saw the aircraft close up at Fuhlsbuettel a couple of weeks ago and chatted to the pilots. It's a very nice aeroplane indeed; cruising speed is kept down to 160KIAS which requires 65% power. That's to preserve engine life as they only have 2 engines left:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/Me108.jpg

A few days later I was in the bar of the Atlantic Hotel in Bremen and saw both the Me108 and the restored Saab Safir of Lufthansa Flight Training taxying in after the ILA at Berlin.

Good that at least some airlines, unlike ba, have such an interest in their heritage!

[JDK]

Absolutely BEagle...

It's interesting how many airlines have invested in 'Heritage' in one way or another, while BA have triumphantly scrapped a large section of theirs. Poor show.

Lufthansa Ju52/3m & 108 & Saab

Qantas - Museum in Longreach

SAA - Ju52/3m

Sabena Old Times group - Lysander - due to fly again in 2007, even tho Sabena's not well!

Air Canada - Lockheed 10a 'Dreams take Flight'.

One could go on...

[LowNSlow]

Why could there not have been a hand over of responsibility for the aircraft from BA to the museum with BA paying a % of the annual maintenance cost?

OK so BA is a business with a responsibility to their shareholders. What % of their profits would have the basic preservation maintenance of these fine and in some cases unique airliners? Buttons I think is the answer.

Enough thread drift; what's the centre stick in the Bf108 cockpit for? Flaps? Undercarriage?

[cringe]

No new challenge? Everyone too busy? Just to keep the ball rolling:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk46.jpg

[jabberwok]

Wild guess here - Blenheim? No, forget that - its nose was bent the other way.

[Final 3 Greens]

Hampden or Hereford?

[cringe]

Sorry, none of the above.

[JDK]

Methinks Cringe has her 'Big Book of French Bombers' out.

Potez 542.

The windscreen is very distinctive, and no self respecting British aircraft would be so empty! Must always carry kitchen sink to Berlin...

[western_roo]

Hmmm -- French, eh? How about a.... Breguet Br 462 'Vultur'? :rolleyes:

[pigboat]

I kept looking for stained glass windows. That thing looks like a cathederal. ;)

Breguet 410M?

[JDK]

*Quietly confident* :E

[cringe]

JDK is spot on again. :ok: Over to you.

As for books, I don't have any with cockpit photos. :O Luckily the 'net is a goldmine...

[JDK]

Heh heh heh... :}

OK, here's the next.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/Mystery010606.jpg

Extra points for IDing this particular airframe, and why it was in the (preserved aviation) news recently. Pic taken in 1992.

[mikl]

Heh heh heh,
Douglas A-1 Skyraider
What do you say ?

[JDK]

I say:
Not a Skyraider.
Next! ;)

[JDK]

Looks like a clue might be needed, given the deafening silence...

It's a re-engined variant of one of the world's great postwar types.

Wif guns. ;)

[diginagain]

Or Piper Enforcer?

[JDK]

Not British. But major British parts used...

Bang seat - correct.

Jet, correct.

Not a Mustang variant.

[kluge]

How about F-86 ?
Wasn't it reengined with an Avvon and an MB bang seat.

[jabberwok]

Did an Avon Sabre ever tussle with an Avon Mig 15 then?

[JDK]

Not an F-86.

Not engined with an 'Avvon'...

[mikl]

with an Orpheus ?

[JDK]

Tip.

Precision is all - in aviation and elsewhere.

I say again - It's NOT an F-86 with an 'Avvon'.

(It also does not have an Orpheus.)

[kluge]

Martin B57 ?

[JDK]

Not a Martin B-57.

The answers so far are all technically incorrect because someone's not bothered to try the actual name rather than what it's made from. Were it a 'Supermarine Spitfire' the answer 'A VS design with a Merlin' would not be a correct answer. :=

What I've NOT told you is as important as what I have.

A clue. The original design has a classic 'six fifties'. This type had two cannon.

The clock is now ticking... :E

[kluge]

or for a double back flip head pass (alo Mornington Cresc)

a Dassault MD450 Ouragan

this is driving me nuts................

[mikl]

according the size of the peoples on the the top right of the picture, it's certainly a big bird, like a Fury or whatever as big.

[kluge]

hhhmmm.......variations of a theme

Canadair Sabre 5

One is currently being restored in East Germny

[kluge]

ok zeroing in for the kill.

The cockpit is a CL-13-4 Sabre.

The aircraft is either ex XB733 currently registered as G-ATBF which went up for auction recently.

Or it is ex XB812 on display at RAF museum Hendon.

I will go for the former.

Do we have a splash or have I splashed ?

[JDK]

Someone's going to be really annoyed when all is revealed. :\

Clue: My teachers always told me spellink & logic are important. :8

Not a P-80 Shooting Star, or derivative, nor a Dassault MD450 Ouragan, nor a Fury, nor that big either, not even a Canadair Sabre 5, and I'm afraid Kluge is down. :(

The prototype was the first aircraft to go supersonic over the city I'm in, the city where they were built which has hosted both the Olympics (some time ago) and the Commonwealth Games much more recently.

This type was replaced in service by the 'French Laydee'.

[Woomera]

CA-27 Mk. 31 Sabre currently being restored at Toowoomba?

JDK. Qantas - Museum in Longreach (Qantas Founders Museum). Don't get excited - you may be very disappointed.

[JDK]

Woomera gets it (well some of it, the main bit...)

It's the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation CA-27 Sabre, A94-983, civil reg VH-PCM. It's derived from the NA Sabre, of course, but with a largely new fuselage of different shape. fitted with two 20mm Aden cannon, and an Avon engine (not an 'Avvon' - sorry, but I told you, and you didn't come up with the name, as I hinted heavily!) as well as (IIRC) a Martin Baker seat.

The prototype, preserved at the RAAF Museum, Point Cook, broke the sound barrier over Melbourne. The US and Canadian Sabres were fitted with six .50 machine guns.

News? The aircraft was operated by the RAAF and while still owned by them has just been transferred on loan to The Temora Aviation museum (not Toowomba) where it is under rebuild to fly once again when it will be the only flying CAC Sabre in the world (once again).

Over to Woomera (who are another CAC product themselves...) ;)

PS: Longreach. Maybe, but it's a '+' to Qantas as opposed to a '-' for British Airways.

[kluge]

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

[JDK]

:O Sorry Kluge. But you didn't put up the name, nor spell 'Avon' correctly...

If Woomera ducks out, I suggest you can post the next pic with a 'moral victory'.

[kluge]

No worries - should have known better. I recall seeing one of those airframes in a hangar in Camden NSW over 10 yrs ago. I used to fly a Pitts S2B VH-ZZZ there - the famous 'indoor Pitts'.

If Woomera doesn't post I will defer to you.

Good thread.

[Woomera]

Someone else take the turn - I'm no where near as smart as you guys!

Besides, I guessed the wrong aircraft. I thought of the Sabre at Temora (http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/aircraft/raafsabre.cfm) but was actually thinking of the CA-27 Sabre being refurbished at the Zuccoli hangar in Toowoomba - the same CA-27 Sabre sacrilegiously emblazoned with USAF markings and numbered FU-747 (from memory). I noticed the markings have now been removed. The aircraft is being restored for static display only.

With our proud Aussie history of aeronautical creativity - the Nomad for example :yuk: - it's interesting and perhaps rather amazing that the Aussie re-designed CA27 Sabre was vastly superior to the original US aircraft!

[kluge]

Woomera - that and the Air Truck ! What an a/c.

C'mon JDK - give us another one.

[Woomera]

Ah, yes, the Transavia PL-12 Airtruck. I rather hoped everyone had forgotten that masterpiece. We didn't do that on our own though - you can blame the Kiwis for the original "design".

And our 1940 front line fighter - the CAC Boomerang!

But we did the Victa Airtourer well for it's time. When the Aussie Government would not support the aircraft, the design was sold to the Kiwis who made a real aircraft of it - then the RAAF bought the CT4 from the Kiwis!

But this is thread drift....... :E

[Woomera]

Oh, OK. An easy one........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/Woomera/NicePlane.jpg

JDK is excluded!!! :}

[JDK]

My guess would be Thunderbird 4 anyway... :(

[kluge]

Too modern for me - I have a stab though - Cirrus ?

[JDK]

Woomera's asked me to look after the answers for the moment:

So:

Cirrus?

No.

[Saab Dastard]

Eagle 150?

[JDK]

Sorry, no, not an Eagle 150.

Clues needed I think? My apologies for any vagueness, as it's not a type I'm familiar with being post 1960. :cool:

The acronym 'FSW' is one clue, and it has an unusual number of engine(s) for the class of aircraft.

[turnarounds]

SJ30 prototype?

[JDK]

Nope, not one of them either.

Wrong number of engines, and there's something about the wing of our subject aircraft...

[Woomera]

:E :E :E :E :E

[cringe]

VisionAire Vantage

[JDK]

And another goal to Ms Cringe!

Hope you've got a pic ready, Cringe?

Whew. Glad that's over.

[cringe]

Not just one. :) I don't want to make this too difficult:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk47.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk47a.jpg

[LowNSlow]

Ms Cringe, is that a simulator of some kind?

[cringe]

Not a simulator, although this prospective airliner never truly entered serial production.

[turnarounds]

Cessna 620?

[MReyn24050]

Not a simulator, although this prospective airliner never truly entered serial production.

Hi cringe
The piston engined Ilyushin Il-18 perhaps?

Mel

[cringe]

Sorry turnarounds, not a Cessna.

Hi Mel, nice to see you back.
Not an Ilyushin or piston-engined.

[kluge]

Is it a Yak mock-up eg Yak 46 or 242 ?

Another clue please.

[cringe]

Nope, not a Yak, but there was a Soviet connection. One of the prototypes crashed.

[MReyn24050]

The Baade B-152 also known as Dresden 152 or simply 152 the first German jet passenger airliner. Perhaps?

[kluge]

Zrastweetye

Tupolev TU-144

Kharasho - da. Spaceeba

[cringe]

Sorry kluge, Mel has it - it was indeed the Baade 152. :ok:

http://www.geschichte.aero/geschichte/zivile_luftfahrt/bilder/Baade152.jpg

More info here:

152 homepage (http://www.skybird-ev.de/152/152.htm)
AIR & SPACE Magazine: The Rise and Fall of the East German Aircraft Industry (http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Mag/Index/1996/FM/rfeg.html)

Over to you, Mel.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe
I am sure this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz91.jpg[/IMG]

[MReyn24050]

No takers to date? It was a British design and build. First flew mid 1930s.

[JDK]

Marine or landplane?

[MReyn24050]

This one was a landplane JDK

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mike Not an AW or DH Aircraft

[MReyn24050]

Mike
Sorry for the delay. Not a Bristol Bombay. This aircraft had a two side by side seated crew but dual controls were not fitted.The aircraft was not a success.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Mike.
Right manufacturer but not the Overstrand. This Type was designed to meet a requirement from Imperial Airways.

[MReyn24050]

:) You have control Mike. :ok: It was the Boulton Paul P71A.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/img206.gif[/IMG]
Only two ever built both came to a sad end. Britomart G-ACOY crashed on landing at Evere Airport, Brussels on 25th October 1935 and Boadicea G-ACOX was lost over the channel on 25th September 1936.
Sorry for the delay in replying.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

We have had so many cockpits now, I'm not sure but I don't think we have had this one.
Clint.
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Clint

As you say we have had a very many cockpits since you started the thread. Some 390 I believe. However, we certainly have not had this one the Yakovlev Yak-3.

Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Well then Mel,
I thought it would last longer than 20 mins. !!!!!!!!!!
Well done, over to you sir.

Clint

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Clint. I was looking at some possible challenges and that one was one I had recently looked at. I am sure this one will be solved just as quckly.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz103.jpg[/IMG]
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it some sort of Douglas ?

A DC 1 or a DC 2

C.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Clint. This one was not a Douglas Aircraft.

Mel

[drawmer]

Does it swim?

[jabberwok]

Lockheed ???

[Speedpig]

Original DH Comet?

Looks like Prince Philip at the controls

[MReyn24050]

drawer.
No this one was not a swimmer.
jabberwok
Not built by Lockheed.
speedpig
Wrong aircraft right manufacturer.
Mel

[foxmoth]

dH Flamingo?

[MReyn24050]

Foxmoth

Not the Flamingo.

Mel

[Flap40]

DH91 Albatross?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mike.
Not the DH Heron. Hope the trip was a good one.
:ok: Flap40
You are correct Sir :)
You have control
Mel

[Flap40]

This is going to be an easy one!

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jodel/pprunetest.jpg

[Speedpig]

That only leaves the DH Dove.Drat, sorry

[Speedpig]

Answer to Flap 40...


Jodel ?

[Flap40]

Yes, but which model?

The clue is there.

[Speedpig]

DR 300 is the only one I ever saw inside, so go with that Jodel DR300 something???:\

[Flap40]

Not a DR300. Sorry.

[Speedpig]

Jodel DR220:D

[asw28-866]

Doesn't look Robinised enough to me for the DR220, so DR120? (Mind you I havn't been right once yet!)

ASW28

[Flap40]

Correct that it is not a Robin version bur wrong version.

[Speedpig]

D18

:bored:

updated with GPS????

[Flap40]

Not a D18 but correct that it is a D rather than a DR and correct number of seats. There is a strong clue in the picture as to which model it is.

[Speedpig]

D112

Straw clutching now.:ugh:

[asw28-866]

D150? bendy control columns?

ASW28

[BEagle]

Jodel D150 Mascaret?

Owner lives in The Land of Two Jags?

[Flap40]

Asw28 got there first. It is indeed a D150. The clue is the three fuel gauges and the flap lever. Other two seat Jodels have one or two tanks.

Beag's. Unless 2Jags has moved to Scotland then no :) This is G-BLAT based at Perth.

[asw28-866]

Staying with GA for this one, on a personal note my family used to run the UK agency for these...
http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/th_pprunecockpit1.jpg
regards
ASW28

[asw28-866]

Sorry chaps, slightly bigger one!
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/pprunecockpit.jpg

[Flap40]

Tipsy Nipper?

[asw28-866]

Nope flaps40 not the Nipper.

[Speedpig]

Do I spy an accelerometer?
Is it aerobatic?
1 or 2 seater?

3 questions, sorry :cool:

[Speedpig]

Looks like H. Hughes' racer.:eek:

[asw28-866]

Gosh, Speedpig digging for clues already!

No accelerometer that I can see (this is a generic piccy though not one I have known personally).

However, the type is aerobatic

This aircraft has a single seat

ASW28

[Flap40]

Tipsys don't need a gear light!

RF-4?

[asw28-866]

Flap40, you have it the RF-4 a wonderful aeroplane...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/rf4d.jpg
ASW28

[Flap40]

I've not got one ready and I've got to dash off to work. Would someone else like to step in?

[asw28-866]

OK Here's one for Flap40...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/pprunecockpit2.jpg
ASW28

[ZH875]

OK Here's one for Flap40...

ASW28Gloster GameCockup:)

Edited as Picture link now works

[BEagle]

I thought it was the Aurora.......:rolleyes:

[foxmoth]

Am I the only one or are others getting a "my image for this link is no longer here - hosted by photobucket" message where the pictures should be?

[asw28-866]

My fault gents, little overzealous with the delete key...Try this, it's the office formy day job:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/pprunecockpit3.jpg

ASW28

[BSD]

ASW 28-866

The picture you dedicated to Flaps 40 - I couldn't resist! Surely an Aero Commander, methinks a 500, an A or B model.

Spent a few happy hours in one of those. A tad underpowered, but once up and running a delight to fly. Squeaked it onto the gorund every time - more due to the plane than my skill!

Fantastically simple systems, rugged and reliable. A real thouroughbred, and a testimony to Ted Smith's genius. No wonder one of them became I believe one of the first " Air Force Ones "

The second, how about a Yak of some sort, 52 maybe?

BSD

p.s. great day job - swap perhaps?

[asw28-866]

BSD,
I am clearly no good at picking them, right and right...
First one (that I screwed up posting) is a Rockwell 500 "Shrike" Commander. My pa spent best part of 25 years driving this one around UK/Europe..
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/bdal.jpg
The second one is indeed a YAK52, which I drive doing aerobatic/combat joyrides here in Brisvegas Australia:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/YKO2016.jpg
You have control.

[BSD]

ASW28-866,

Wow! the first I knew, so I had a distinct advantage, the second I admit was a WAG and a lucky one too!

Try another post, I'm not able to offer anything up myself.

BSD.

p.s. If I ever get to Brisvegas I'll pop over for a first hand look at that Yak. Looks fun.

[asw28-866]

BSD,
You are more than welcome, if it becomes reality drop me a PM, won't post the website here as don't want to break the no advertising rule. When I'm not working, this is the office...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/pprunecockpit4.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The cockpit of a LAK sailplane perhaps. The LAK-17A? But then on second thoughts it is the Scheicher ASW28-18.

[asw28-866]

Not a pedant so ASW28 it is (my nom de plume kind of gives it away). Not the ASW28-18 though, mine is a vanilla 15M version:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/asw28866.jpg
You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you ASW28-866.
Here is an easy one for a Monday morning.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz84.jpg[/IMG]
Mel

[asw28-866]

BAC Drone?

[MReyn24050]

ASW28-866

Sorry not the BAC Drone.

Mel

[MReyn24050]

I did not think it would be difficult. The aircraft was British and first flew early 50s.
Mel

[cringe]

Miles M.77 Sparrowjet ?

[MReyn24050]

:ok: :) Spot on cringe.

It was indeed the Miles Sparrowjet.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/miles_m-77.jpg[/IMG]

You have control.

Mel :ok:

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. Try this next:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk48.jpg

[MReyn24050]

No takers yet cringe?

How about one of the World Speed Challengers or Racer Aircraft. My first thought was the Hughes Special 1b but we have already had the Wright Hughes 1B perhaps a Caudron C.460?

Mel

[Speedpig]

I'm desperately trying to read the writing that is almost visible.... Sure there must be a clue there..:(

[cringe]

Clues: It's not a racer. European, but not French. Although a little outdated by that time, it took part in WW2.

[Speedpig]

Blohm & Voss Bv 155B V2:D

[Tim Inder]

It isn't a PZL P11 is it?
I can't see a windscreen, but couldn't find a decent shot of the cockpit area, so it might be there but out of shot?