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yigy2
20th Mar 2006, 01:28
Hello, does any body know first hand if jetstar/jetstar international want their jet endorsement money upfront or do they take it out your wage over a couple of years.
Jet Jockey
20th Mar 2006, 07:35
Heard its now upfront since someone failed their 2nd comapny sim ride and had his employment offer rescinded and skipped out on repaying endorsement. Was to be salary sacrificed after he was checked to line. But no job no pay for endorsement.
Agony
20th Mar 2006, 07:46
Someone maybe able to shed some accurate light on this. I have heard some conflicting info about if you can claim the cost of the endorsement on tax if you pay before you start versus after.
Does anyone have any facts about this and the ATO.
Additionally, is there any other way of trying to recoup your cost (or some of it) either before, during or after you get then gig,
Cheers,
Oh the Agony.............:sad:
Tax law is pretty simple. Pay to get the job, no tax deductibility. Pay to maintain/enhance earning capacity, tax deductible.
Pay after is therefore the best optionif you are unemployed beforehand.
HOWEVER, if you earn a living as a pilot and the endorsement lets you earn more, deductible. Doesn't really matter.
PM
AerocatS2A
20th Mar 2006, 10:30
Tax law is pretty simple. Pay to get the job, no tax deductibility. Pay to maintain/enhance earning capacity, tax deductible.
Pay after is therefore the best optionif you are unemployed beforehand.
HOWEVER, if you earn a living as a pilot and the endorsement lets you earn more, deductible. Doesn't really matter.
PM
Not true, you must be paying for something that increases your earning capacity with your current employer. So, pay after.
Does anyone here know if Jetstar will take me on as a F/O?
Got 500+ hours on the A319, 320 & 321 as F/O and more than 4600 hours total time...
...but haven't got the "1000 hours Pilot in Command (excluding ICUS)" they ask for. How important is that and will they waive it for anyone with experience and rated on type?
Have got some 4200+ EFIS hours in Regional and Airline operations overseas, and the rest of their requirements in place.
123567
20th Mar 2006, 19:40
Gee 9Ws why don't you ask them
LookinDown
20th Mar 2006, 23:47
AerocatS2A
Not true. YYWG is correct in that costs of either maintaining your current position or enhancing it are both equally deductible. The critical point is that you must be already employed in that line of work to be able to claim. ie you cannot do so before you commence with you employer.
AerocatS2A
21st Mar 2006, 03:46
Lookindown, from the ATO website on eligibility to claim self education expenses (my bolding):
You can only claim deductions for the expenses associated with self-education that are related to your income earning activities while you are studying. If your self-education was to help you get a new job, you cannot claim your expenses.
If it is for a new job, you can't claim. As far as I can tell, and it's not very specific, it doesn't matter that your new job is in the same profession as your old one, it is still a new job.
If you feel like claiming anyway, and they don't audit you, well, that's up to you :).
You are both correct.
If you are doing it to get a new job, then you can't claim. But if you are being endorsed are you not already working for JetScab???
Avid Aviator
21st Mar 2006, 04:14
That's my understanding. If they employ you, then you have to pay for an endorsement to maintain that job - OK.
If you pay for an endorsement then they offer you a position as a result - no go.
Either way, it's a pity Jetstar won't salary sacrifice any more, as you need a reasonable income to claim a $34,000 deduction.
AerocatS2A
21st Mar 2006, 04:26
You are both correct.
If you are doing it to get a new job, then you can't claim. But if you are being endorsed are you not already working for JetScab???
That would depend on the details of the job offer I suspect. Do they say "you have a job on the condition that you get an endorsement", or do they say, "You have a job, go get an endorsement."?
At what stage do you sign the employment contract?
Has this been tested by anyone yet? By that, I mean, has anyone claimed, been audited by the ATO, and had it found as a legitimate claim?
Agony
21st Mar 2006, 06:27
Thanks for the info guys/gals,
I spoke to the ATO and they basicaly told me that I couldn't claim if I paid before.
I understand that you have to pay at least the deposit before you start, as with the 2k recruiting fee. However if they charge the remainder after you start with then I suppose we can claim that.
If anyone has recent experience with this that would be great.
I know that some people get different advice from accountants etc that may not always be right, depends on interpretation, state etc.
Cheers :suspect:
Grivation
21st Mar 2006, 06:48
There is a tonne of information available from VB pilots.
The AFAP is another good source.
Metro Boy
21st Mar 2006, 07:24
What's the 2k recruiting fee?
FO Cokebottle
21st Mar 2006, 07:50
A 2K RECRUITING FEE - WHAT F:mad: ING BS IS THAT!!!!!
bullamakanka
21st Mar 2006, 11:09
9Ws
I know some one looking to put on a driver. You can quickly pick up the other command hours you need. Its a good C210 job in sunny outback OZ!
Bulla
Thanks Bulla!
Send me Farmer Bob's contact details. Can't wait to to hear if he'll let me pile up my command hours on his C210. Hey, maybe his pay packet would be good too... with the odd meal thrown in every second day as well! :}
Will certainly evaluate it against the 320 command upgrade I'm getting next month and the 330/340 end of the year :)
Maybe then I'll have ALL my requirements in place to apply to one and all :p
You ain't from around these parts are you;) .
"....with the odd meal thrown in every second day". Mate, back in my day we were lucky to get a Christmas party:) .
No mate, not flown in Oz for a while now... but would be nice to be able to get back there if I do get a job that'd keep me flying the 320 I'm flying now.
I know it won't be easy straight up. But situations change all the time, so it's always worth keeping an eye out for what's going on, eh? Only problem is that whenever one does... some get crabby, others are helpful.
LookinDown
21st Mar 2006, 23:00
"...you must be already employed in that line of work to be able to claim" (my quote)
Sorry, I'll explain further. I did not mean that an endorsement that doesnt relate to your current position can be claimed. You can't claim for costs that are related to even a promotion with your current employer prior obtaining that promotion.
As has been pointed out you need to have commenced employment to be entitled to claim. This relates directly to any new position. There are many examples around particularly in these days of fluid employment in aviation.
The key refernce for the ATO will be the date on the receipt for your payment. It needs to be after your commencement date. Arrangements can often be made with your new employer for any payments to be made as a lump sum after commencement.
BoundaryLayer
22nd Mar 2006, 08:41
Out of curiosity, anybody know if the Cruise FO reqs the same as those posted on staffcv for A320 FOs... i.e. 3000TT/1000PIC?? Surely not. Or are they the same as for QF DESO?
Oh, plus the willingness to fork out $34K++ :*