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boeingwest
18th Jan 2006, 02:22
Hi there. After a fleet replacement at my company, there are a number of biscuit chuckers off work on compo for numerous injuries from the result of hard landings, is this a common occurence or what?? I mean I have only ever seen one 'incident' on the ATSB website reading something like "upon landing into HTI, 5 Cabin Crew reported muscle pain from the subsequent hard landing?" Imagine being the skipper on that flight, how f**king embarassing, anyway, anyone have any good stories resulting from hard landings, or anyone ever complained about the landing other than the ol' comment to the skipper "I'll send you my physio bill!!!" I means its been so bad (yet getting better) that we've christened the a/c the chiropractor, 'sure to put your neck back in'! This brings up another point, though a reportable matter "or incident" must be submitted if there is an injury, is this a bit much or what to be filling out an incident form and sending it to the ATSB? I mean a SLF git opened a locker into my head the other week and it bruised quite noticeably, "I WAS INJURED", should the capt have submitted an incident form to ATSB??? :*
Tiger 77
18th Jan 2006, 03:51
A while ago I landed a light twin in a howling x-wind and ended up bouncing sideways accross the runway after the 9g touchdown. Strangely all the avionics stopped working at the same time.
Lesson learnt: Know your limits. A Buffalo would have been a better choice of aircraft for the day, it could have landed across the runway into the wind.
Tiger
not sure if you're for real Bwest but if you are I would love to know what a/c type you are talking about. I've nver heard of a plane bi enough to have biscuit chuckers that constistantly lands hard.
Capt Claret
18th Jan 2006, 06:26
cjam it depends to some extent whether one has been spoiled by an aircraft with very forgiving trailing link u/c and then moves onto something with more sweep, high wing loading and more importantly, straight & stiff u/c. :eek:
tipsy2
18th Jan 2006, 06:40
cjam, I think what Clarrie was trying to say is that the 146 even made his landings look/feel good:cool:
tipsy:E
whipping boy
18th Jan 2006, 06:58
It's not the Captains fault
It's not the F.O.s fault
It's the asphalt :D
Capt Claret
18th Jan 2006, 07:32
tipsy
What? You mean my landings weren't good? :eek: :{
Actually I did once do a bad landing into DRW. Too busy telling a guy new to the drome about various local features, and not busy enough concentrating on what I was doing. The ensuing landing was, shall we say, firm.
A pax in business sitting next to a colleague, said to the colleague, "gee these things land well, don't they", at about the same time I was saying to my F/O, "well I sure planted that one, didn't I".
All this goes to show it's a matter of perception and as pillots, we're only ever as good as our last landing. :{ :p
Capn Bloggs
18th Jan 2006, 07:40
CC,
You mean my landings weren't good?
Yes, and I'll vouch for that as well! :}
Besides, it's not the pilots, it's the useless A/T. Crappy lite twins...
The A/T works fine if the correct technique is used for the flare. Look to the end of the runway and not at the touchdown point.
Hugh Jarse
18th Jan 2006, 08:16
Clarrie, you were reminiscing about the Dash during the landing, weren't you? :} :} :}
Capn Bloggs
18th Jan 2006, 08:32
Look to the end of the runway and not at the touchdown point.
That works right up to the time you realise, too late, that you're 10kts slow coz the A/T left you there after a ATIO...:{
757manipulator
18th Jan 2006, 09:11
unplug everything at 1000' radio..handfly..no A/T...oh and have a trailing link like the mighty 75.....;) smooth as a smoooth thingi:cool:
CaptHairDryer
18th Jan 2006, 11:14
Actually I did once do a bad landing into DRW. Too busy telling a guy new to the drome about various local features, and not busy enough concentrating on what I was doing. The ensuing landing was, shall we say, firm.
Ease up GG, your not at porn* now!!! Your back in GA, I mean NJ sorry... wrong acronym... :p
not sure if you're for real Bwest but if you are I would love to know what a/c type you are talking about. I've nver heard of a plane bi enough to have biscuit chuckers that constistantly lands hard.
146 to 717. The flying matresses are not coping with the 'firmness' of the DC9iner!!!
unplug everything at 1000' radio..handfly..no A/T...oh and have a trailing link like the mighty 75..... smooth as a smoooth thingi
757manipulator, sorry... does the 757 have a trailing link u/c?? None in oz, never been on one... I like I like...:ok:
.... and if disengaging A/T is against SOP instructions?
No Clarrie, Bwest is not ITCZ under another handle. I don't think I could intentionally flout so many grammatical rules as he, even allowing for some of my post-NYE posts at a layover port.
BTW, whats an aim point?
Cheers!
SkySista
18th Jan 2006, 11:34
Hmm... had a suspicion you were talking about the fancy new jets here.... :p they do appear to land 'harder' when one watches... then again, it'd be nearly impossible for it not to seem so, given how slow the 146 looks any time.... :E ;) :p
Hard landings happen to anyone though... was on a DJ flight once, and after landing the F/O remarked, on being asked whose landing it was, "yeah, it was a bit $h!t, wasn't it?!" :cool:
kimwestt
18th Jan 2006, 22:38
:ouch: For a change, was a pax on a red with white writing 73-- some time ago into Cairns. How the rubber jungle stayed up ??????? As I departed the a/c, commented to the biscuit chucker,(who had the eyes downcast, definitely no eye contact with anyone) - "Please tell the driver that landing was 8/10!" She looked at me as if I had a screw loose, until I added "Yeah - on the Richter Scale.":hmm: :hmm:
Capt Claret
18th Jan 2006, 23:29
Aw c'mon Bloggs, I can't take all the credit, afterall you did train me.
Jarse I have heard several F/A comment that ex Dash drivers make better landers! ;) Is that what you mean?
.... and ex-Metro pilots are the only ones doing 'greasers.' :=
CC might be experts on touchdowns, but they cannot see the 1500m markers whizz by and the far threshold approaching at 220km/h as we wait for the mains to touchdown!:eek:
Capt Claret
19th Jan 2006, 01:30
I'll have you know ITCZie that I never close my eyes during landing, consequently I can see the 1500' markers whiz by. :E :\
Lord Snot
19th Jan 2006, 05:22
I've nver heard of a plane bi enough to have biscuit chuckersYou don't have to "Bi" to be a biccy-chucker (or a peanut-pusher).
But speaking of Bi-planes, you're probably referring to the Deathstar which is such a lady's machine, it's worse than "Bi". It's downright raving, flouncing, mincing GAY!!
Oh and it only has ONE main-plane.
Hugh Jarse
19th Jan 2006, 05:28
Jarse I have heard several F/A comment that ex Dash drivers make better landers! ;) Is that what you mean?
Gidday Clarrie,
If you're talking about "nailing them", you're asking the wrong guy. (Being married and all that), you know :suspect: :} "I know nothhhhink" (Best Sgt. Schultz voice)
What would Mrs. Claret think?:E
Capt Claret
19th Jan 2006, 05:35
No, no, no, Jarse. I said landing, not nailing. Mrs C would not be amused. :\
Zulu_One
19th Jan 2006, 12:14
A while ago I landed a light twin in a howling x-wind and ended up bouncing sideways accross the runway after the 9g touchdown. Strangely all the avionics stopped working at the same time.
That wouldn't happen to be Turkey Creek CTAF the other day when you brought back half the 'runway' with ya would it ? Perhaps the twun just shat itself after the first 9g's which would explain the mess :}
Lesson learnt: Know your limits. A Buffalo would have been a better choice of aircraft for the day, it could have landed across the runway into the wind.
Tiger
You are 100% correct about the DHC-5 Tyggs, however, 'Buggy-One' or 'Never Lands Gently' would obviously represent a better choice for the day. :ok:
BTW how locked into project Buffalo Bungles™ are you, my associate Sanchez says he has a An-225 sittin' round doin' nothin' with between 19-45 TBO on each hairdryer... Be good for those Bungles, do the whole season in one day PM me if your interested. You could even cut operating costs by conducting a single circuit off PKU, you could even call it the Mriya Miramar Bungles' Bungle™ ...:}
disRegards,
Z1
Tiger 77
20th Jan 2006, 01:00
Zulu_one...
Think you may be confusing me with someone else. I know the guy you're talking about and its not me, although I did work at the same company a while ago.
Also I think Bungles in an AN225 would be great if the aircraft had windows.
Cheers,
Tiger.