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fhchiang
11th Jan 2006, 08:21
Today the opthalmologist fail me for a CASA class 1
can anyone clarify>?
My report
Without Correction
Right eye: 6/24
Left Eye :6/18
Both Eye: 6/18
With Corection
6/6
Correction:
R: -4.50D -1.75DX60
L: -4.25D -1.75DX160
Fundi- Both Normal
Media - Both Abnormal
Fields Both Normal
Ocular Pressure Both Normal
His Comments: high Myope with astigmatism, not suitable for class 1
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i believe i'm within the requirement , can anyone clarify my results?
Aussie_Pilot
21st Jan 2006, 16:04
Unfortunalty it seems that your view is not suitable for class one
according to CASA/ICAO Requirement the maxium correction is -3.0 per eye...
I suggest to try to take a chirurgiacl operation who allow you to improve your visus to at least -3.0 as correction
Good Luck
Carmine
Just to correct Aussie_Pilot.... CASA does not have an upper limit of -3, they approve any correction (within reason) providing near 20/20 can be attained with corrective lenses.
fhchiang, it appears you have failed because of astigmatism but I am not aware of the rules for that, you should probably contact CASA Medical department in Canberra for clarification.
Bad medicine
21st Jan 2006, 21:14
It may have more to do with the abnormality of the media, and what this abnormality is.
Cheers,
BM
fhchiang
22nd Jan 2006, 03:40
abnormality?
the opthalmologist didn't even bother to explain..
he just tell me..
Your are a high myope with astigmastism(he said astigmatism is the mian reason) ..
which is a NO NO....i felt like as if he didn't want me to make the cut..
i emailed CASA... no reply until today.. i emailed them 2 weeks ago
i CHECKED CASA's handbook for AME again and again.... and i couldn't find any limits... but they also didn't mention anything on astigmatism
for your information... For my MALAYSIA DCA CLASS-1
all my eye functions including the media is marked as NORMAL.
Bad medicine
22nd Jan 2006, 10:45
You are correct that there is no set limit on refractive error. Your initial post said that the media was Abnormal in both eyes, so that's what I was commenting on. You really need to ring the CASA medical department and discuss it with one of the docs there.
Cheers,
BM
fhchiang
22nd Jan 2006, 10:58
i'm just surprised....
Opthalmologist >>> media abnormal (is he a fluke??? but he is CASA DAO)
Aviation Physician(Malaysia Class-1-initial-valid till january 2007) >>>>> normal media
hmm...
well.. it wouldn't be wise for me to ring up CASA. i'm from Malaysia. it'll cost me a fortune if the conversation gets very long...
i hope someone in pprune who has a refractive error similar to mine and holds an Australian Class-1 could come and clarify...
because there is CERTAINLY no diopter Limit..
and i believe UKCAA allows +/- 5D sphere +/- 2D cylinder (both of which i'm well within)
and guess what.. the Opthalmologist said i won't Qualify for UK CAA either??!!! he is a Designated Aviation Opthalmologist by CASA.
all he said was the correction needed.. no mention of media at all!!
Non Normal
22nd Jan 2006, 11:53
i'm just surprised....
Opthalmologist >>> media abnormal (is he a fluke??? but he is CASA DAO)
Aviation Physician(Malaysia Class-1-initial-valid till january 2007) >>>>> normal media
One possibility is that being an eye specialist doctor, DAO was better at spotting an eye problem than the aviation physician.
well.. it wouldn't be wise for me to ring up CASA. i'm from Malaysia. it'll cost me a fortune if the conversation gets very long...
I can understand about the cost issues being a concern, however, proper medical information from the authority is what you need, not an anecdotal stuff heard online.
Why don't you seek a second opinion if you do not trust DAO's opinion?
fhchiang
22nd Jan 2006, 12:21
well.. unfortunately...
there's only one DAO in Malaysia..
in CASA's website, there's 2 listed.... but only one is active....
no chance for second opinion...
anyway... what is media abnormalities??
Non Normal
22nd Jan 2006, 12:37
It doesn't have to be a DAO to tell you if there is indeed a media abnormality or not and to re-check your visual acuity.
Media abnormality: abnormality in a bit (or bits) of eye, like cornea, lens, vitreous
fhchiang
24th Jan 2006, 03:01
ok.. i made a call to
AVMeD Section of CASA in Australia..
according to the operator..
CASA inposes no limit even on astigmatism...
CASA'S requirement.
6/9 each eye,
6/6 both EYE.
no limit on correction.
fhchiang
24th Jan 2006, 05:21
ok.. VERY VERY FUNNY THING HAPPENING HERE
CASA AVMED
No limit on correction
6/9 each eye
6/6 binocular
CASA Singapore DAO , Dr Khoo
no limit on correction
6/9 each eye
6/6 binocular
CASA Malaysia DAO, Dr Pall Singh & Dr. George Thomas
+/-5D correction limit (Sph and Cyl taken into calculation)
can anyone explain why CASA Malaysia DAO set their own rules? or they were simply just Ignorant?
I believe UK CAA is the strictest when it comes to eyesight..
even then, i'm fit for UK CAA
but the Malaysia CASA DAO fail me for Australian Class-1 on the Basis of Over-The- CORRECTION LIMIT( IS THERE ANY????)
Non Normal
24th Jan 2006, 06:39
If you think that there was a mistake made in DAO's application of rules/standards, contact the DAOs concerned and/or CASA, in writing, and seek clarification of your situation and get the report in writing.
If the grounds for failure was purely based on an erroneous belief of limits, then I'm sure something can be sorted.
fhchiang
24th Jan 2006, 06:56
yes...
i'm very sure ..
the DAO failed me..
he told me i am over the limit
+/- 5D (sph and cyl taken into calculation)
at that time i was like.. ???? i tried to explain to him... lol..
guess what the DAO told me..
look for someone who will PASS you and prove me wrong...
Seriously..l he did not mention anything on the media abnormalities and he doesn't seem to be bothered about it.. all he cares is the +/-5D limit of correction..
and Two DAO doctors in Malaysia Dr Pall and Dr George said the samething.
but.. the DAO's in Singapore and CASA avmed section said no limit.
non normal... you suggest i write to CASA regarding the Malaysian DAOs?
Non Normal
24th Jan 2006, 07:17
Even if DAOs are based in Malaysia, if it is CASA (Australia) medical that you failed, then you could write to CASA about it. In doing so, don't take an accusatory tone - just politely say that you were advised of your failure on the basis of exceeding the correction limit, and wish to check that it was indeed the case because you understood that there was no limit, and so you are a little confused about it. You could copy your letter to the DAO who failed you.
P.S. As I remember it, -5.0 limit taking into account the astigmatism is the UK CAA initial class 1 limit (I might be wrong, don't quote me on this), so maybe they got confused between the UK CAA and Australian CASA limits. Pretty easy thing to do.
That sounds like a valid reason to what might have happened here Non Normal. The initial UK JAR medical has to be done by the CAA themselves and limit is indeed -5. The renewal limit for a UK JAR medical is -8/+5, so if anything this figure should be the one which would spring to mind for the Doc concerned one would imagine...