Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay? [Archive]

dude65

29th Nov 2005, 22:38

Propelled

Legally, I can't fly into secure airports after the 31st so I guess the answer is no.

I don't know if just turning up is really going to cut it. While I was at the CASA office ,I ran into a guy who had been told by a security guard at Maroochy that if he turned up without an ASIC after the 31st , he would not be allowed to leave his aircraft.

As I said,this is a complete stuff up. I don't think anybody at CASA or DOTARS have really thought about the nuts & bolts of this system. By thay I mean the day to day usage of these cards for the average GA/PPL pilot.

What's the point of having your passengers on one side of the fence and you and your aircraft on the other ,with some overuniformed idiot in the middle telling you your pax can't board as they don't have a security pass/boarding pass/visitors pass/ASIC.

propelled

30th Nov 2005, 02:38

hey dude65,

yeah it is a shame that we wont be able to fly in legally after 31 Dec 05 without holding an ASIC.
However, I still wont let it change my plans/destinations for a flyaway over the new years break. (I'm still waiting for my AVID/photo licence which I applied for in september).

Re: pax, from what I have heard, so long as you (pilot) hold an asic, you are allowed to escort pax on and off 'secured' aerodromes..

Chadzat

30th Nov 2005, 03:31

Just following on from this. I have my application for the photo ID and AVID still in the system. How do I go about getting an ASIC now as I ddon't want to pay the full price and have to do all the background checks AGAIN. Do I wait for the photo ID to arrive or should I just fill out the ASIC form now and get it into the system?

Aerodynamisist

30th Nov 2005, 06:47

I'm in the same situation as you chadzat I have applied for my avid and photo licence 4 months ago but havn't yet recieved them, So a rang up the licenceing mob and it turns out I only had to pay the 95 dollars and fill out some of the form.

I hear some flying schools are having dramas with students up to standard but unable to go solo for months because of delays getting the student licence.

Vetical Limit

30th Nov 2005, 07:17

Chadzat, you can put your ASIC application in while still waiting for the AVID. You only need pay the $95 for the ASIC as the cost of the AVID incorporates the police record/background check for both.

dude65

30th Nov 2005, 07:20

My AVID and photo ID took 10 weeks. The ASIC is currently in the system. The $95 has yet to be debited to my credit card so it's safe to assume it hasn't been processed yet. (only been a week so I'm not to concerned,yet)

Chadzat

You don't need to have all the checks done again to get the ASIC. All I gave them was a copy of the AVID and filled out another form. Plus $95.

This leads us to the common question in all of the threads on this topic.

Why bother with the AVID at all?

UnderneathTheRadar

30th Nov 2005, 07:54

My application has been in since the start of November.

Took them 3 days to charge my credit card. If I don't have it by 31st December then stiff - they either have to admit that it's their delay or that they've taken money from me that they're not entitled to.

dude65

30th Nov 2005, 08:16

I can just see all these pilots turning up at security controlled airports with their credit card statements.

"look look Mr security type guy. I've paid my $95.00"

rong

30th Nov 2005, 08:48

re. Pax, I put the question to the ASIC email query and the response (5 days later) was that Pax would be covered by the pilot's ASIC, BUT they are the pilots responsibility ... whatever that means.

re. flying in without an ASIC, the rumour is that regional airport managers might show common sense where DOTARS clearly has none, and define the secure area so that inbound non-ASIC pilots can still stretch their legs without getting cuffed :D . Refuelling might be a different matter though :uhoh:

The suggestion that the extent of secure areas for all SCA's be published somewhere centrally to save individual pilots having to contact individual airports seemed not to have been considered previously by the ASIC lady - no surprise there :mad:

Clare Prop

30th Nov 2005, 14:00

I heard yesterday, from a VERY reliable source, (the people who will nick you if you dont have your ASIC/AVID) that the deadline was to be moved to 1 July next year. I really hope it is true but there is nothing official yet from CASA or DOTARS. I guess it would make too much sense, or they want to leave it to the last minute to tell us so people don't think its OK to wait a while before sending it in.

Clearly they cant possibly process all these applications before 1 Jan, bearing in mind they will all be off for two weeks holiday at Xmas as well, so there's a week lost before the deadline.

Hope they enjoy their holiday while some of us face losing our means of making a living.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

NAMPS

30th Nov 2005, 20:22

I haven't got my ASIC card either. Get this though, I still haven't got my photo licence which I lodged personally with CASA in August.

That stuffs up my yearly flying holiday sojourn to visit family...thanks CASA!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sunfish

30th Nov 2005, 20:28

Don't blame CASA! They pass your documentation onwards to ASIO, AFP etc, thats where the delay is. Furthermore, my experience is that CASA will issue you your documents within a microsecond of getting AFP and ASIO approval.

currawong

30th Nov 2005, 21:50

Good one, Sunfish.:}

That would be why my ASIC (current AFP and ASIO checks) submitted in May has not yielded an AVID yet.

Chadzat

30th Nov 2005, 22:07

thanks for that. Yeah I'll just have to head on down to the lovely people at CASA and fill out some more forms then. I fear I have left it a bit late though unless they move the deadline.

The AVID AND ASIC cards seem pretty stupid to CPL'ers but for a PPL who only flits around his/her local CTAF they don't need to pay the $100 for an ASIC.

dude65

30th Nov 2005, 22:08

Sunfish is correct

The criminal checks are done through the AFP- not CASA.(I think that's about to change). Apparenty the checks are sent to the AFP in batches. Once CASA have them back the ID's are issued within a couple of days. I also know that existing licence holders are sent to the bottom of the plie. New licence applications are processed first. This would explain your situation Currawong.

Mind you,if I'd been waiting since May I would be starting to get pretty pissed off.

currawong

30th Nov 2005, 22:16

dude65,

I have been following AVID progress with weekly phone calls.

The checks, once received, take several weeks to process, some more to generate the ID, and some more in the post. I know this as they have been able to give a running commentary of my application.

Which reminds me, its time for my weekly call.....

Nope. Rings twice then nothing. Nobody home I suppose.

Update is - still being processed. Last week it was processed and approved....

Maybe the rumour of a new deadline has had an effect.....

kookabat

1st Dec 2005, 11:55

Did I read somewhere that as long as you had the application in by DEC 31 you were right? But how the heck will they know if you've submitted it or not?

There is no way CASA or AFP or whoever will be able to issue 30,000 odd ASICs by the end of the year - a physical impossibility.

Let's hope the deadline is extended.

Charlie Foxtrot India

1st Dec 2005, 14:12

I was one of the mugs who decided to get this done early this year, to find that my FCID (?) is now obsolete. Meanwhile my AVID application has been in since September and I'm told that my police checks are being done now.

Meanwhile, as I wait and wait, I can still use my CASA delegation to do ID and document verification for student pilots and other applicants!

How silly is that. :rolleyes:

Called DOTARS to see if I would have to close for business if it doesn't come through by 1 Jan and the nice man said "no, as long as your application is in you'll be OK".

Kind of got the impression there may be some kind of official announcement soon. Also that it will be much quicker when CASA actually get an ASIC machine!

jandakotpilot

1st Dec 2005, 17:24

I have heard the deadline will be extended only to the people who have their applications in before DEC 31 (DEC 23 in CASA - Xmas break) If you have your documents in the system you can carry on as normal until July 1 until your AVID/ASIC arrives.
If you do not have it in the system prior Dec 31 you basically are grounded.

Heard this from a reasonably reliable source, has anyone else heard it?

It makes more sense than grounding GA for the next 6 months!!

captain_cranky

2nd Dec 2005, 03:36

CASA Media Release - Friday, 4 November 2005
Pilots told to act now on security checks
Australia's pilots are being urged to move quickly to comply with new aviation security background check requirements.

All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.

Any pilot who does not have a valid security check and wants to access security controlled aerodromes must apply now for an Aviation Identification Security Card (ASIC).

After 31 December this year pilots will need an ASIC to access the secure areas of every security controlled aerodrome in Australia.

There are 185 security controlled airports across the nation in capital cities and regional centres.

Pilots who require a background security check can find out what they need to do on-line at: www.casa.gov.au/securitycheck

Alternatively, they should ring: 1300 737 032

The CASA Licensing and Registration Centre will provide advice and forms for pilots to start the security check process immediately. A letter is also being sent to all pilots with full details.

In addition, pilots can apply for an ASIC at security controlled aerodromes.

A small number of pilots who never fly into security controlled aerodromes will not need an ASIC but they must still apply for a background security check.

These pilots will be issued with an Aviation Identification Card (AVID), subject to successful security checking.

There are still many of thousands of pilots who have not begun the security check process and these people must act now or risk having their flying severely limited after 31 December.

Remember for all information on pilot security checks ring:

1300 737 032

Media contact:
Peter Gibson
mobile 0419 296 446
Ref: MR0553

All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.

Mr Byron,

Its time for an action item to develop a plan for when you plan to have the checks completed...........:E

Arm out the window

2nd Dec 2005, 05:18

They haven't exactly filled me with confidence.
About 2 months ago, having received nothing from CASA telling me officially that I'd need to do something, I thought I would get proactive after reading all this talk on PPrune about what may or may not be needed.

Got on their website, downloaded the forms, got the photos, birth certificates, JP etc organised and sent it off....job done, I thought, website said no cost. Good.

But no - about a week later, an information pack finally arrives - pretty much the same forms, but some extra explanatory notes, and a $95 fee suddenly required.
I rang the CASA number, put through to the appropriate office, and yes, the forms had to be resubmitted. Arrgh! However, the photos and signatures didn't need to be re-done - at least that was something.

Now waiting....seems some people have known about this for a lot longer than me, but I had nothing official on it until the procedure was well under way - where was the systematic approach to informing everyone about the requirements?
They've had my address and been sending me other things for a long time, no change with this issue I would have thought.

Spotlight

2nd Dec 2005, 07:10

Not Robinson Crusoe there mate! A couple of mentions in the crash comic, which last I heard was not mandatory reading.

Finally a package of bureaucratise in the mail right on the deadline, and its all our fault we don't comply.

The chinese whispers campaign notwithstanding.

TLAW

2nd Dec 2005, 11:22

This;

There are still many of thousands of pilots who have not begun the security check process and these people must act now or risk having their flying severely limited after 31 December.

was the cheeky bit.

Like we're the slack ones. :rolleyes:

Wheeler

2nd Dec 2005, 19:43

Its all pretty bad. Surely, they have no option but to extend the deadline at this stage????

A mate of mine who has a CASA licence is coming out from UK to do some flying in January. (Or thinks he is!) His ASIC application went in as soon as CASA made their announcement and he's been getting pretty worried. Mostly his emails are ignored but he did eventually get a reply to say they cannot find his application in what thet referred to as ' the pile'. (Just cannot imagine what the 'the pile' must look like - probably more like a mountain!). Now he has started again - but this time has got a receipt!) I am similar to those above, with a photo licence but no sign of an ASIC (Has anyone who has applied to CASA actually got one? (My bet is the answer to that is 'no'.) Just what is going on CASA? Isn't it about time the silence on this was broken?

Sunfish

2nd Dec 2005, 21:04

As i've said before, it's not about CASA, its about ASIO and the AFP. CASA will be waiting for them. CASA also appears to have a good document management system, they were able to tell me where my application was when I applied for a photo licence.

My guess is that if you have put your application in by the deadline, that may be sufficient for CASA and DOTARS to give temporary dispensation.

Of course that depends on how many people are actually "Failing" the checks. I wonder if the process is turning up many "Rogues"???????

the wizard of auz

2nd Dec 2005, 23:23

I would lay a significant bet that they haven't refused a single licence to a would be terrorist.

Pass-A-Frozo

3rd Dec 2005, 00:24

a security guard at Maroochy that if he turned up without an ASIC after the 31st , he would not be allowed to leave his aircraft.

Just tell him if he doesn't let you out, you'll take off and fly into a building :p

Actually that comment would probably land you a gaol sentence :}

The should have made it that the security check is done only when you attempt to gain an endorsement for a certain size aircraft or larger.

Let's be honest, what is a C152 going to do other than chip some paint on a building.

HI'er

3rd Dec 2005, 01:21

Did you pay by credit card?

In light of all the personal details you've had to furnish on the application form - date of birth, address, passport/driver's licence, photos, and signature, etc - I hope that those of you who paid by credit card are confident that those details can't be looked at by anyone other than 1 or 2 accountable people, nor that they can be accessed at a later date.

Cash, or cheque was my preferred and ONLY way I was going to trust those incompetents.

LeadSled

3rd Dec 2005, 01:59

People,
Don’t blame CASA for this one, the delays are not of their making. All that has happened is that they have been deluged with applications as a result of a role forced on them.

There are literally dozens of ASIC card issuers, seems to me that because of problems not anything to do with CASA ( many of us know of some “interesting” “policies” being imposed by individual issuers) “somebody” decided very late in the day to tell CASA that they, CASA, were going to be added to the ranks of ASIC issuers, RFN.

CASA rightly cops a lot of flack for a lot of things, but it seems to me that in this case, they have got their act together un-characteristically quickly. That the sheer volume of ASICs required by the deadline is a logistics nightmare is not a nightmare of CASA’s making.

If you want to point fingers and throw stones, this time you should look elsewhere.

The DOTARS info. service can point you to other sources for an ASIC, as professional pilots you all did all you could, knowing a long time ago the 31/12 deadline because you all keep up with the regulations, including ANRs, (not just CARs etc) didn’t you !!

At the risk of advertising, “AO can’t be mentioned here” and Aviation ID Australia at Merimbula can be used, and both also have been doing a good job minimizing the problems for flying visitors to Australia.

By May 06, or thereabouts, expect to have a combined ASIC/License option, (yep!, you will be able to file the 6” by 4” folder under “pommie innovations”) , this was announced by CASA last May.

Tootle pip !!

Wheeler

3rd Dec 2005, 02:14

If you apply to CASA - and they take your money (even if they do not keep it all) then surely the least they can do is tell you what is going on!

Or maybe even just tell their staff what is going on - cus nobody at the CASA office knows nuffin at the moment!

Charlie Foxtrot India

6th Dec 2005, 04:09

Have just spoken to DOTARS again, and am told there will be a press release "in the next 36 hours" regarding the delays.

currawong

7th Dec 2005, 08:19

It would appear they are misinformed....

Chadzat

7th Dec 2005, 21:45

I went to the local CASA offices and spoke with someone very helpful (who would have thought!) whom I asked "what are my chances of getting my ASIC back before NYE?" He said "well make sure you hang onto your receipt of payment and its now out of your hands. CASA will have to worry about it if it doesn't get back to you by the deadline". This to me sounds like they will either entend the deadline or just say "use your payment docket as a temporrary ASIC!".

I want to know how the hell they make a deadline for application AND issue on the same day bearing in mind Christmas closures. The CASA bloke said to me that if I had left my application any later I would be leftwith a very slim chane of getting it back by January.

You woulda thought they could work out approximately how many pilots will require an ASIC, multiply that b the amount of time required to process ONE. Then give us enough notice to get the damn things in.

TLAW

9th Dec 2005, 23:57

I don't blame CASA at all.

I blame the former Minister for Transport for creating rules that require airports like Dubbo and Bathurst to have the same sort of security as Kingsford Smith, then creating an unworkable system that requires part time pilots to carry a separate id card for every airport they fly into, without any guidance as to how to go about it.

I also blame the new Minister for Transport for taking one look at the sorry mess and making a quick flick pass out to CASA at the 11th hour, to implement the system they clearly aren't resourced for, so that when the whole thing collapses he can say;

<Krusty the Klown>Don't blame me. I didn't do it!</Krusty the Klown>

Meanwhile, after having all the time, energy, effort and expense of passing my licence test, I have now been waiting 6 weeks plus for a piece of paper which used to be issued on the same day.

185skywagon

11th Dec 2005, 22:25

Aviation ID in Merimbula, appear to not exist at this time. Any info on this??

flywatcher

12th Dec 2005, 00:27

185skywagon.

Yes they do. I applied through them 24th October, received ASIC in post, (registered mail), 9th December. Great people to deal with.

185skywagon

12th Dec 2005, 00:50

Do you have any contact details. I tried to contact them about 1 1/2 months ago without success.

Woomera

12th Dec 2005, 01:43

The Australian Government Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Warren Truss, today announced that pilots and employees operating at regional airports will be given more time to comply with the Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC) display requirements.

More information can be found on the CASA website:
http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm

Woomera

flywatcher

12th Dec 2005, 05:21

185skywagon

aviation ID australia
locked bag 2000
Merimbula NSW 2548

tel 0264952881
fax 02 64952885
free call 1800306739
email [email protected]

you might need to leave a message. Best wishes

colonel cameron

12th Dec 2005, 05:22

A three month delay to process an ASIC, puts those applying for one post 1 January 06, in a six month line. What do they do, just stop flying or rely on nobody taking them to task over not having one in the interim.

How does one prove they have already put an application into the system, and how does this Truss media advisor get off previously proclaiming it is all the fault of the pilots for not having their applications in earlier.

How do the airport operators decide if someone has a 3 month period of grace without CASA or some other issueing identity compromising privacy laws?

I guess we just provide the proof in court after we have been arrested. I hope you all got signatures for your registered post.

185skywagon

12th Dec 2005, 05:40

Chaps,
i got this apology from the Truss office regarding that Offending article.As discussed the other day on the phone I'm very sorry about the misunderstanding with our media adviser and the ill-informed quotes that made it into the Steve Wardill article a few weeks ago.
Flywatcher, thanks. I already have my ASIC, but i will pass this info on to anyone else that asks.
I have, however, had my AVID application since june2005, with no word as yet.
185

4SPOOLED

13th Dec 2005, 05:34

I was told if we have the application in my the 31st dec, we would be given an extension until the 31st of March.

4S

Chadzat

13th Dec 2005, 08:27

"had my AVID application since june2005"

ahhh crap. I've only had mine in since August, looks like there is NO hope of me getting it by next year.

Will they actually come out with a garuantee that it will NOT be illegal to fly without an AVID and photo licence after Dec 31st?

radargeekgirl

13th Dec 2005, 11:24

Does anyone know what is supposed to happen to those of us who have achieved a PPL/CPL since the new laws came in. I mean we can't fly as a student but we can't use PPL/CPL until the new one is sent to us. As we don't have an old one the 31st
March deadline can't really apply either????

dude65

13th Dec 2005, 12:43

[QUOTE]“Only those people who have submitted an ASIC application form to the appropriate issuing body by 31 December 2005 will be eligible for the extension,” he said.

So how the hell are we going to prove this? I don't recall getting a receipt when I submitted the ASIC application.

Charlie Foxtrot India

13th Dec 2005, 14:00

Found out yesterday I have registered mail to pick up...could it be my AVID???

Went to the post office to get it to be told that the contractors who deliver the mail are under no obligation to deliver a registered letter if it means going past your letterbox down a driveway to your door. IT wasn't at the Post Office, as the contractor was still merrily driving around with it in his car. No chance of getting it forwarded, or delivered to the office (contractors deliver at the airport as well), or getting time off for the hour long round trip to the post office before xmas. So can't apply for an ASIC before the deadline because I don't know if I hold an AVID or not.

CLARC phone was engaged all day, and all other CASA numbers went to an answering machine. Maybe they were having thier xams party.:* :*

Bevan666

13th Dec 2005, 18:48

So can't apply for an ASIC before the deadline because I don't know if I hold an AVID or not.

I thought the same, so I rang the 1300 number. Spoke to CASA who, in a few magical clicks on a keyboard, told me I did actually have an AVID now, so all I had to do is apply for an ASIC, ticking the 'I have an AVID' box.

Simple!

Bevan..

kookabat

14th Dec 2005, 08:12

CLARC phone was engaged all day, and all other CASA numbers went to an answering machine. Maybe they were having thier xams party

Nahh they're usually like that. I have never had someone from CASA answer my phone call once I'm through the switchboard - always answering machines.

Atlas Shrugged

15th Dec 2005, 05:35

I thought the same, so I rang the 1300 number. Spoke to CASA who, in a few magical clicks on a keyboard, told me I did actually have an AVID now, so all I had to do is apply for an ASIC, ticking the 'I have an AVID' box. I was just told the same thing but with a twist - I will require an ASIC for access to any airside area of any security controlled airport which has RPT service for two hours either side of that service.

In the case of say Merimbula, which has services in and out all day, there is no 4 hour period where the operator can "close" ASIC. So, in effect, if I want to land there and get out of my aircraft for any reason at any time I will need an ASIC. Plain and simple.

Now here's the twist - if I hold an current ASIC which is valid for 2 years, I will not need an AVID or a photo ID licence.

What I do not understand is why I was not given this fascinating snippet of information by the nice blonde plump lady I spoke with at the CASA office before I applied for, and received, my photo licence and AVID 3 months ago.

:confused:

neilia

15th Dec 2005, 12:06

I'm not sure they even knew about this 3 months ago?

Anyway, CASA at Bankstown told me yesterday that everyone who applies by 31st December will be sent a covering letter, which should cover you until the ASIC arrives.

Biggles_in_Oz

15th Dec 2005, 21:37

I'd heard a rumour that there were 30000 applications in the system.
Lets see now, amnesty expires end of March so that's roughly 70 working days which means issuing more than 400 checked ASICs per day.
Yeah.., right. :hmm:

Sunfish

16th Dec 2005, 08:50

Had a phone call from CASA today. My application is being "processed" and has yet to be sent to AFP, ASIO etc. My cheque has been lost so they wanted credit card details.

I applied for an ASIC on about 4 November and the paperwork has yet to leave CASA! I heard the 30,000 applications number too.

Something is screwy here.:*

Googlewac

16th Dec 2005, 19:53

Applied for AVID in July, got it 15th of Dec. Thought everything was sweet but now gotta get an effing ASIC and effing pay for it!!
I don't get it, what has an effing ASIC got over an effing AVID?. Not only that but I've got security clearences thru my work to secret level!!
I'm the most effing secure person in the country, I should have effing applied to be James Bond!

Capt Hollywood

20th Dec 2005, 21:45

Rang CASA yesterday regarding my ASIC, the nice lady on the phone informed me that my ASIC application is 'being processed'. When I asked if she had any idea on the current wait time she simply said 'no' but said I would be receiving a letter shortly explaining that there would be an extension to the deadline.

I actually have a current ASIC that was issued 6 weeks ago after a four month wait, I moved to the Gold Coast four weeks ago and had to return my ASIC to the issuing airport (Ayers Rock). I put in a new application straight away and would have thought that considering I have already done all of the security checks it would be a simple case of issuing a new ASIC. Fraid not!!

Cheers,

Hollywood :cool:

Matt-YSBK

21st Dec 2005, 06:56

I cant believe it. I applied in early November for my asic and today i recieved a letter registered mail. After picking up the torn 1/2 open envlope that An Australia post guy had put in a plastic bag to stop some id thingey "his words" falling out at the Post office I see a shiny new ASIC It's red and has my name on it all details even seem correct right down to the $2 hologram.

Makes me want to fly in to a security controled airport just to prance around with it.

Biggles_in_Oz

3rd Jan 2006, 05:26

Santa didn't bring me my ASIC. :sad:
He also didn't bring me a your application is in the system letter, so I guess he knew that I was going to be a naughty boy and go flying to a security-restricted airport and walk in the airside security zone.

sigh....

===============

well well...
15 minutes after I wrote the above, I received a written reply to my acerbic letter to Minister Truss regarding his press release http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm

Paraphrased a lot, here are some nuggets of information or old news. (take your pick)

1.
People who require frequent access to the secure areas need an ASIC., The definition of frequent is subject to interpretation but if you need such access more than 6 time per year then you'll probably need an ASIC.
How the *#&%& are they going to implement that procedure ?, stamp your licence like they do to fire-extinguisher tags ?

2.
Security checks for photo licence and AVID and ASIC might change, but expect something like a mandatory photo-licence and then one of ASIC or AVID. (wierd !)

3.
Security-controlled airports with RPT and no screened air services can now change their security program so that ASICs are only required two hours either side of a scheduled RPT service.
freaking hell. Are they going to print all the RPT schedules for every airport in the ERSA ? or include it on the NAIPS location briefings ?

If you don't have an ASIC and you land somewhere when/where one is required, then an ASIC holder has to escort you through the secure areas and the airport operator has to issue you a visitor ID card.
What is a 'secure area' really ?. From what I can find on the Dotars website the runway and taxiways and parking areas are in the 'secure area' where an ASIC is required.

I still think it's all a confused mess, but please write letters people.. It tells the bureaucrats and pollies that their viewpoints need more explaining and justification.

Bob Murphie

5th Jan 2006, 06:23

From DOTARS today and highlighted, (until I can figure out how to post the letter and emails).

"PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU ONLY NEED AN ASIC IF YOU WILL BE ENTERING SECURITY-REGULATED AREAS OF AN AIRPORT"

Also from DOTARS;

"## You must have an ASIC and display if you are IN THE SECURITY RESTRICTED AREAS OF THESE AIRPORTS" (which goes on to include Norfolk Island, Ballina, Bankstown, Coffs Harbour, Newcastle, Rockhampton, Avalon, Melbourne, Sydney, etc etc."

Moorabbin and Essendon airports have a GA and RPT area-ASIC's must be displayed in the RPT area-outside this area. ASIC's are not required.

From CASA, dated 28th December);

"CASA has made arrangements with Qantas to utilise its network of representatives to distribute ASIC's issued by CASA".

It is inconceiveable to imagine any ASIC issueing body including AOPA were not aware of this. Especially given some now saved and PDF'd copy of same organisations members propaganda web site telling all that they intend to support (nay possibly take charge), of the C182 owners association impetus, while still selling ASIC's.

Captain Nomad

5th Jan 2006, 10:31

Ladies and Gentlemen I haven't cashed in on the comments of this topic yet but the recent update I got from CLARC drove me to despair yet again! :{ I honestly can't believe the bungling that has gone on right from the start with this whole thing. I first submitted an application for a photo ID in FEBRUARY 2005 AND I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE! After numerous phone calls, letters, faxes involving submitting additional forms, finding out that forms have been 'lost' etc. I would be surprised if I ever get anything with my ugly photo on it at all! During this time I have done renewals and endorsements (things involving re-printing your license and therefore SUPPOSEDLY speeding up the process of getting your photo on a piece of paper). Most recently I submitted my ASIC application early December by CASA's recommendation even though I hadn't yet received the AVID and what do you know - they don't know where the form is! CLARC advised I should ring the CASA office where I lodged it which I did and they said they would have posted it off to Canberra the very next day. According to CLARC it was 'unusual' that a form submitted early December was not yet showing on the system. Having said that they wouldn't tell me what a 'usual' time frame would be from receiving a form to when it would appear on the system - all I know is that there is definitely a waiting pool. I wouldn't hold your breath folks! It will be very interesting to see how the government will be able to justify and enforce a deadline with this! I hope the general public 'feels' safer knowing that I have fussed around and wasted plenty of time trying to get a pretty little piece of paper making me all official and we all know that the terrorism threat has definitely been reduced by this political move to make the skies safer!:yuk: :yuk:

Oh, and by the way, I don't have any criminal history that would have caused delays with the AFP - better make that clear! ;)

Biggles_in_Oz

5th Jan 2006, 20:04

From DOTARS today and highlighted, (until I can figure out how to post the letter and emails).
"PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU ONLY NEED AN ASIC IF YOU WILL BE ENTERING SECURITY-REGULATED AREAS OF AN AIRPORT"
Also from DOTARS;
"## You must have an ASIC and display if you are IN THE SECURITY RESTRICTED AREAS OF THESE AIRPORTS" (which goes on to include Norfolk Island, Ballina, Bankstown, ... "
I really wish they'd get their *%*$#&^@ act together and mail that to all of us, because http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/atsa/overview/idcards3.aspx revised 6 May 2005 is still (6-jan-06) stating Previously an ASIC was only required to enter a security restricted area. From 10 March 2005 the new legislation extends this requirement to all people accessing the airside area and landside security zones and to people checking-in passengers or handling checked baggage. ... and http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/atsa/overview/airport2.aspx is pretty explicit as to what is in the 'airside secure' zone.

Bob Murphie

5th Jan 2006, 21:31

From DOTARS yesterday, [email protected]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED

THESE A COMMENTS MADE BY THE MINISTER EARLIER THIS WEEK. I HAVE INCLUDED THE PRESS RELEASE AS REQUESTED AND A LIST OF THE AIRPORTS WITH THE EXTENSION. HOPE THIS HELPS. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU ONLY NEED AN ASIC IF YOU WILL BE ENTERING SECURITY-REGULATED AREAS OF AN AIRPORT - CHECK WITH INDIVIDUAL AIRPORTS YOU GO TO AS EACH IS DIFFERENT.

* Pilots that require an ASIC can apply to over 180 issuing bodies across Australia. This includes the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

* There are currently 35,000 registered Australian Pilots. Not all 35,000 will require an ASIC. For example over 6000 of these pilots are based overseas and therefore do not currently need an ASIC in Australia. Of the remaining pilots not all operate in and out of Australia's 186 security regulated airports this includes for example some General Aviation Pilots. It is estimated that approximately 27,000 pilots will require an ASIC.

* We understand that CASA had received in the order of 10,000 applications prior to Christmas and most issuing bodies have reported they have commenced processing an increasing number of pilot ASIC applications.

* Extensive industry consultation and information has been provided to pilots to assist them with obtaining an ASIC. The Department is in regular contact with issuing bodies and feedback is that the number of ASIC applications from pilots have increased substantially in the past few weeks.

* Based on the sharp increase in applications we expect that the majority of pilots requiring an ASIC will have lodged their application by 31 December 2005.

* The background checking system for aviation is designed to accommodate new pilots or aviation workers as they require an ASIC. The Department is confident that if pilots have their applications in by the end of the year and meet the criteria their ASICs will be processed before 31 March.

* The Department wrote to all Australian pilots on 21 October 2005 providing them with an information pack and advising them that CASA was now an ASIC issuing body. The Department also contacted all the 141 new entrant regional airports to provide guidance on implementing the ASIC regime, conducted regional workshops and attended various industry fora to receive feedback on issues relating to the implementation of the ASIC regime. Further advice is currently scheduled for distribution on 3 January 2006 to all registered pilots regard the extension of display requirements to 31 March 2006.

* There are strict regulations that govern the issuing and accountability of cards that apply to both issuing bodies and card holders.

- Issuing bodies have procedures in place to ensure reporting of and cancellation of a card if it is lost.

* A card cannot be lawfully issued to an individual unless they have met the security clearance criteria which involves Australian Federal Police, Australian Security Intelligence Organisation and where relevant Immigration checks.

The email then goes on to list the airports pre and post March 05.

Read the hyperlink again, it says rather confusingly;

that "Previously an ASIC was only required to enter a security restricted area. From 10 March 2005 the new legislation extends this requirement to all people accessing the airside area and landside security zones and to people checking-in passengers or handling checked baggage. ... "

Which can and should read,..... "this requirement to all people accessing the airside and landside security zones, and to people checking etc............."

Seems some basic English education would prevent a lot of confusion. However there are a lot who would encourage the view that "all people accessing the airside area must have an ASIC, because it helps sell cards"

Biggles_in_Oz

19th Jan 2006, 01:51

from http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1550166.htm 18-Jan-06

Thousands of Australian pilots could be flying illegally, because they have been technically grounded since new security laws came into force on January 1.
The legislation specifies that every pilot apply for one of two new security pass levels, regardless of where or when they are operating.
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority has received 25,000 applications, but there are 30,000 registered pilots in Australia.
Authority spokesman Peter Gibson says every pilot is affected.
"Everybody has to apply for a security background check right now, even if you're only flying from station to station or your station and local communities, you must have a background security check and you must apply for it straight away, that's the law," he said.

Sigh... 25000 applications.. I reckon I might get my ASIC at this time next year. :*