Maintaining SEP validity

[italianjon]

This has probably been asked before, so apologies if it has it probably means I can't use the search properly.

Passed my PPL a while ago (So watch out at the PPRUNE fly-ins... I can now fly the things)... and I am looking for a share or similar in an aircraft.

My question is this, the JAR PPL(A) has to be done in a CoA aircraft, can the re-validation of the SEP rating be applied for on time in a Permit aircraft. I am assuming the hour with an instructor has to be done in a CoA. I have tried reading LASORS but it doesn't make the re-validity point very clear, only the initial training difference.

[Chilli Monster]

Yor PPL is based on the class of aircraft you fly - in your case Single Engined Piston Aeroplane. It doesn't matter whether it's CofA or Permit for the purposes of the 12 hour rule.

If you own it then there's no reason why your hour with an instructor shouldn't be in it either.

[High Wing Drifter]

Congrats Italianjon :ok: You just need to get yourself a decent share now (I guess that's the reason for the PFA question) :) How's the ATC job comming along?

[italianjon]

Chilli thanks for the info.

HWD - Thanks for the support, if you see any at Popham can you let me know?

ATC job seems to be going ok, training is the hardest thing I think I have ever done... It is exam after exam at the moment!

[High Wing Drifter]

Being quite large group, we usually have a share going at any one time. It is an effective arrangement because with 40 members spread over three aircraft, it is possible to get a secondary share in one of the other aircraft too :ok:

http://www.pophamflyinggroup.bizland.com/

[Irv]

Last time I read up on this, you could actually do the JAR hour in a PFA aircraft with a PFA coach who isn't an instructor! (which surprised me somewhat), but you can only pay expenses (which didn't surprise me somewhat). I'll ask a certain engineer who will probably know the very lastest...

[BEagle]

The 'PFA Coach' must now be at least a CRI. There is no such thing as a 'PFA Coach who isn't an instructor' anymore since the CAA put a stop to the practice.

CRIs may conduct the required training flight for those revalidating a SEP Class Rating by experience; they may also conduct any 'differences training' required by JAR-FCL. To receive remuneration, the CRI must hold a professional pilots' licence (except for microlight or SLMG instructors).

CAP 733 gives the limitations on use of Permit to Fly aircraft and clarifies their use for flying instruction.

Payment of 'expenses' to someone who doesn't hold a professional pilot's licence is a bit of a legal minefield. The PFA state that a pilot flying the revalidation the flight in his own aeroplane with one of their CRIs "....is only charged the absolute minimum of expenses."

People use the terms 'PFA aircraft' and 'PFA coach' and even 'PFA strip' as though the PFA is somehow an organisation with completely independent rules. Whereas, in fact, the 'rules' are in accordance with the ANO and regulated by the CAA as are all other aviation matters in the UK. The Popular Flying Association exists to facilitate flying for its members and has a particular degree of engineering expertise to assist members who fly aircraft for which national certificates of airworthiness are unavailable; they do this under approval from the CAA.

[Irv]

Just out of interest (I don't follow this much), did they in the general spirit of this decade just hand out 'CRI' qualifications to PFA coaches, hence solving the problem at a stroke of a pen?

[BEagle]

The coaches were given grandfather rights to become CRIs. Regrettably, and to their cost, it seems that many were so ignorant of the JAR-FCL requirements for the revalidation of CRI ratings that they then had to pay to renew them after their original 'free' 3 year validity lapsed.

[italianjon]

lol, seems a bit... have a free rating, then oh you have to pay for it!

Anyway, if I have understood this correctly there is no reason why I should worry about flying a permit and maintaining my JAR PPL!

Thanks for the answers.

[Sans Anoraque]

The flying world is too small....
Not only did I do my revalidation with Irv, but I've realised I'm in the same group as HWD!

Italianjon, my share is up for sale. If you're interested PM me.