prop over london 5.30 am

[airmail 1]

hi all out there,anybody know what the prop is which goes over sw london every morning around 5.30am.seems to come from biggin way a heads either west or north..taa very much.......

[jammydonut]

Mr Posty or the Newspaper Boy

[ALLDAYDELI]

Eye in the sky, traffic news, Capital Radio??
Often seen low over the M25 western stretch Surreywise reporting on road traffic conditions.

[treadigraph]

Not the Flying Eye at 5:30am surely... Earliest I've ever seen it around this neck of the woods was about 7am or so.

Is it a turbine Airmail? Probably a King Air, seem to be lots of the little bleeders running about.

[VP8]

When I lived in Twickenham awhile back, it used to be Air Antique around at that time!!

Could it be them??

VEEPS

[ATCO Two]

Sounds like a calibrator of the Heathrow ILS to me.

[WHBM]

We discussed this one a while ago on PPRuNe about it going the other way across Central London around 23.00 weekday nights.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=96889&highlight=Electra

Came to the conclusion it was the Electra that operated the Cardiff to Liege (and return) freight flights, probably at about 18,000 feet.

[treadigraph]

Veeps

Was that the Six or the Electra?

Used to love hearing the Six rumble out in the early hours, ahhhh nostalgia...

[WHBM]

I believe the DC-6s now have very little work and sit at Coventry almost all the time. All those Eastern European An12 and An26 operators now within the European community are too competitive.

Too bad.

[ALLDAYDELI]

DC6 is finished with following the amount of work & cost needed to get it thru a major check.

[BRL]

Hi Guys. Almost every night, around 2300, I hear what sounds like a shed flying over Brighton and returning again around 0400. Presume this is a shed from Luton going to France or somewhere. Would love to know what/why/where etc as it drones away for ages overhead. :)

[5milesbaby]

BRL, that'll be the Gemstone Shed from I think Luton to CDG and back to Coventry. Around that time there are also 2 Rapex F27's and a Swift (SWT) ATP which will be one of the ones airmail 1 started the post about. The F27's go back to Manchester and Birmingham around 0530.

[Say again s l o w l y]

There is no Emerald Shed from Ltn to CDG. The CDG route starts in Paris goes to Cvt and goes back later in the morning.

I can't think of any of the Shed routes that go over brighton at 2300 unless it's a charter.

[5milesbaby]

Sas, Gem are the only Shed's that go that way which is why I thought it was them, knew they did the route, just not the timings! I'll never forget the day I forgot to chuck Reddo to Paris, she reminded me to do it, and still reminds me about it occasionally now.......:{

[VP8]

treadigraph

Yep was the '6' droning it's way, about 6 yrs ago now!!

VEEPS

[Say again s l o w l y]

I've always preferred staying with London as long as possible!!

If BRL's shed is coming from France at 2300 and going back at 0400, then that is probably the CDG-CVT-CDG Emerald route as the times are about right, though there is a German Shorts that comes into Coventry every night.

[treadigraph]

Nah, more recent than six years Veeps... surely... doesn't time fly!

I am devasted to hear that the Sixes might not be flying again, I'll go to Biggin this year to see that alone... Are you sure they are grounded Allday? :{

[BRL]

Thanks for the replies chaps.

I have not heard it going over for a while, is it still running?

[airmail 1]

hi all ,thanks for the reply.s did not know that there were them many props that time of the morning............. it,s just i get to work around that time and hear it go over wandsworth........

[5milesbaby]

Ahhh SayAgain once again you are correct, the German one will be the Executive 101 (EXC I think) and occasionally they send in 2 as they always come out 2 minutes apart on their way back to Frankfurt. Used to be a Beech of some kind, but I believe one crashed a few years ago on this flight.

[Say again s l o w l y]

As far as I know, the route is still going, but with so few Emerald Sheds up and running at the moment you never know! (I don't work there anymore, so my info is a bit secondhand.)

[Fried_Chicken]

The German Shed that operates through Coventry routes EDDF-EGBE-EDDF (f&t Frankfurt) as EXT111, occasionally there is an additional flight with a Beech 99 (usually EXT113) if the load exceeds the capability of the Shed. Also, Nightexpress operate out of Coventry f&t Eindhoven with a Be99

Fried Chicken

[Charley B]

Hiya BRL,

I think you may be hearing the air contractors flight 7001 which leaves STN @ appx 22.00 4 nights a week for CDG.It returns at appx .03.45 to STN then goes on to DUB.

I too hear this at night( especially when the windows are open!!)and was listening a while ago to ATC and could hear the droning sound right above and on their transmission so I found out what it was.

Think it is a Hercules--have a look at their web site --its fab---apparently they do contract work for FEDEX to CDG.

My best hour is 21.00 to 22.00 when the 747s+A340s go overhead to CPT/JNB and days when LGW deps go off 26L to SFD!

CB

[two speed prop 3]

Hi all, Im the pilot of that flight. We fly a taiwanese made, chinese sub assembled Windshear Banshee from the southeast to northwest every morning to chase the sunrise for MOD approved meteorological experiments.

Apologies for waking you up but it is of vital importance in the fight against international sun burnage.

God bless cheap eastern sub assemblies

[v1rotate]

I think you may be hearing the air contractors flight 7001 which leaves STN @ appx 22.00 4 nights a week for CDG

That aircraft is actually the A300 for CDG.

We have an F27 that leaves BHX at 2155 for CDG and returns at 0450 local. Callsign is "1XH" to CDG and "2XH" for the return trip. Both the A300 and the F27 are on the FedEx feeder work into CDG.

[Charley B]

Thanks chaps for those replies.
BRL and I now know what were hearing!









CB