DVD from CASA [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

Atlas Shrugged

2nd Mar 2005, 04:48

I was wondering just the other day about what happened to the guy from Beyond 2000........

I'm not sure who exactly the DVD is aimed at but, as someone who regularly files in and out of at least 4 of those areas, it's nothing more than that which I didn't already know and would be expected to know before doing so.

Perhaps a section on transiting Class C airspace would be more beneficial, say a flight thread from Sydney to Cairns entirely in CTA instead of taking the softest option and "suggesting" that pilots plan around CTA.

zepthiir

2nd Mar 2005, 05:32

The thing I think is most strange is that CASA is passing this DVD around now after the NAS changes so some of the things they talk to you about are no longer valid.

Like reporting in VFR lanes on area frequency which is one of the things they dont seem to want you to do anymore so the radio time can be freed up for IFR etc.

But apart from that I have found it quite useful as a relatively new pilot who is planning on flying out of my Bankstown comfort zone and into Archerfield, Moorabin and Launceston all sometime in the next few months. It will definitely help to be able to watch the DVD just before the flight to know what landmarks I am looking for, where the reporting points are and what traps to be careful of before I bust into airspace.

Alternator

2nd Mar 2005, 05:55

Bankstown is my discomfort zone :E

Ultralights

2nd Mar 2005, 07:48

and the DVD is pressed in Thailand! :mad:

Alternator

2nd Mar 2005, 08:18

DVDs are burned not pressed.

But, since there are 35,000 or so active pilots and the cost difference could have been in excess of $5 per CD, how else would you have a govt department spend your $$$$

Besides, it was probably contracted and then sub-contracted. Aint CASA's fault.

Ultralights

2nd Mar 2005, 08:42

there is only 3 dvd/cd/disc manufacturing plants in OZ, all owned by the one company. (which is equally owned by Warner music, EMI, SONY, BMG, Universal and Capitol records) i have their contract! EVERY cd/ dvd made in OZ goes through me! :ok: CASA never showed up on the schedule, for manufacture, or shipping.

CASA would have made the content, approved it, sent it via me, to the plant, a test run would be PRESSED! then sent via me, back to casa, to be approved and tested. once approved, then artwork is printed/approved. only then do they go into Manufacture!

all Music CD's/DVD's are pressed from a master made from GLASS!! or for small runs of 1000 to 10000 units, they are pressed from a steel master. run less than 1000 are usually burnt, but not in the same way as your computer would burn the disc.
its the nickle film inside the disc that gets stamped (or burnt) then the polycarbonate layers are manufactured over the nickle film.

the Music/Film industry doesn NOT contract out! they have a hard enough time already as it is with piracy!

Icarus2001

2nd Mar 2005, 09:42

UltralightsEVERY cd/ dvd made in OZ goes through me! Not the ones I make.;)

Full marks to CASA for an excellent product but they should hang their heads in shame for producing a CD/DVD which is already out of date and cannot be amended! These things are time bombs because in 12 months time someone will use the information which will by then be very wrong. I know there is a disclaimer but please, I still see the odd copy of the original orange VFG in peoples bags!!!

CASA should have talked to Airservices Australia (remember when they were one and knew each other existed?) who elected for web based delivery of FLYING AROUND so that it can easily be updated and amended. CASA have produced what will be coasters in 12 months when for a small fraction of the production costs could have loaded it on to their website!!

They dropped the ball again. An excellent idea spoilt by bad execution.

radman

2nd Mar 2005, 09:52

post the latest on the net and tell pprune and we will down load it, no cd's and up to date

?

Sunfish

2nd Mar 2005, 21:38

Nitpicking already. The web is a great idea, however the DVD is fine. All that is required is a notice that things have changed and the DVD becomes a drink coaster.

As for the radio calls on the area frequency in the VFR lanes, or calls to Melb Radar this is something I've never (yet) done. However it sounds like a good idea.

Is it actually discouraged providing that there is little traffic on the frequency?

Alternator

3rd Mar 2005, 00:03

Of course they are nitpicking, Icarus can't help it. :p

Seems ultralights has a monopoly, baad baad thing. :E

It is a gread DVD and the pics of airports will never be out of date because rule makers and electronics enthusiasts cant fiddle too much with geography.

Good one CASA! :ok:

dude65

3rd Mar 2005, 01:55

[QUOTE]Full marks to CASA for an excellent product but they should hang their heads in shame for producing a CD/DVD which is already out of date and cannot be amended!

Must agree Icarus

I'd seen a version of the online but it only applied to 2 or 3 airports. When the disc arrived I was surprised it was already out of date. I guess geographical and man made features won't change and it's this part of the production which could be very handy.

In the Archerfield section it explaines and shows the difference between the Indooroopilly Bridge and the Centenary highway. One's for flights inbound ,the other out. I guess there has been confusion in the past with these landmarks and the sort of info that shows the pilot the diff between the 2 before he/she even departs is priceless.

Alternator

3rd Mar 2005, 02:00

Geez, of course it can be ammended.

They just send ya another one.

You guys would gripe about the taste of yer mother's breast milk!!!!

Icarus2001

3rd Mar 2005, 02:49

Nitpicking already. The web is a great idea, however the DVD is fine. All that is required is a notice that things have changed and the DVD becomes a drink coaster. Sunfish this is not nitpicking. The decision to produce a CD/DVD with the attendant high production and distribution costs is ill conceived. That is why Airservices Australia who do think a little more real world elected for web based delivery. Sunfish you claim to be from the business world so surely you can see firstly the cost benefit and secondly the current information benefit of web delivery. Also where and how is this "notice" sent? I deal with students and low time private pilots every day and I know that this will be an issue. You have an opinion, great, but let those of us who work in the industry perhaps have a little more weighting on our opinions, does that seem fair?

Alternator, sending out "another one" is expensive and CASA always cries poor. How much do you think it cost to produce and mail each CD? Now how much to put the data on a web site?

Even at $5 per CD and say 20,000 copies that is $100,000! Now how much to have it sitting on a web server somewhere? Run an advertisement in their own in house magazine Flight Safety Australia and you have saved real money. OUR MONEY.

Of course the geography does not change but the choice of features used as tracking points does and so does the level and position of C airspace. Which is the whole point of the exercise in the first place!

Again I say, well done, great product, poor choice of delivery method.

Alternator

3rd Mar 2005, 02:57

Icarus

Obviously you live in an area with ready availability of ADSL or similar broadband. Pilots in these areas are pretty familiar with local procedures and usually with ATC and controoled airspace.

Now what about the other 50% of Australian pilots with access to only 28.8 KBS or worse. Would you have them download a DVD from a system where the line drops out every 30 minutes???

J-Curve thinking, very narrow minded. DVD is the way to go.

Icarus2001

3rd Mar 2005, 03:06

Obviously you live in an area with ready availability of ADSL or similar broadband Yes I do. As do MOST pilots, by definition. I am on dial up.Pilots in these areas are pretty familiar with local procedures and usually with ATC and controoled airspace. This is demonstrably untrue otherwise we would not have 1100 VCAs a year! Interesting that in my limited experience of twenty years I find that pilots going to new airports put in the effort to learn the system and will tell the tower they are "unfamiliar". However pilots who fly regularly from one GAAP airport tend to become complacent about changes and shock horror, do not buy a new ERSA and so miss out on subtle and not so subtle procedures changes. Why should I buy a new ERSA when I only fly locally ! Go the the AsA site and print the pages you need from the ERSA for FREE! Would you have them download a DVD from a system where the line drops out every 30 minutes??? Yes I would. The data is broken down on the web page in to areas so you only down load the parts you need, not the whole country! You would be aware that an interrupted download can easily be continued after reconnection without starting at the beginning again.J-Curve thinking, very narrow minded. I do not live in the J curve.

DVD is the way to go. I disagree but what about the compromise of a limited amount of CD/DVDs distributed through training organisations and then loaded on school PCs AS WELL AS on the website? If I am wrong tell me why Airservices Australia did not produce a CD/DVD?

Alternator

3rd Mar 2005, 03:12

How about DVD's to all and updates on the web???

WeekendWorrier

3rd Mar 2005, 07:09

I also think it's a great initiative, very well produced and a style of delivering the information that isn't overwhelming (or patronising) to the average pilot.

Yes, there is a currency issue, but overall I found it quite informative. Of course, watching the section on my local area was pretty uninteresting (been there, done that), but looking at some unfamiliar areas was a real eye opener and I'm sorely tempted to dust off the old licence and get current again.

One question though - where is this mystical place called Wedgefield? There are quite a few shots/animations showing aircraft flying around what appears to be a Class D control zone with this name.

-WW

Ultralights

3rd Mar 2005, 07:11

Not all pilots out there have Internet access! so for them a dvd is a good idea. even with regular updates. a DVD is also a good idea for viewing at a flying school! as long as the CFI/Instructor ensures its valididty.

those that do, make the dvd and other files available from the website using your ARN for access.

dvd files can be compressed for download from the web if broadband connection isnt available.

Time Bomb Ted

3rd Mar 2005, 07:32

Icarus,

How on earth would YOU get 4 hours of high quality video on someones server and honestly expect the average punter to download it. It would take nearly 12 months for most. Sheesh.

Do you really think CASA and Airservices didn't talk to each other about the project (considering there is AsA people on the DVD) before producing it?

I have a friend close to the action over there and they said that AsA even kicked in a significant amount to ensure the DVD/CD-Rom was distributed to all who need it.

It took nearly 12 months to produce too, so give them a break... How much has changed airspace-wise in 12 months.

I wish I had it back when I was learning to fly. The instructors must be happy.

TBT

bushy

3rd Mar 2005, 08:02

Sunfish
Those skygods in the jet planes can't navigate very well. That's why they need nearly all the sky reserved for them.
The other 10,000 aeroplanes can go through a small lane, because they are the best navigators.

Icarus2001

3rd Mar 2005, 08:03

TimeBombTed Read my post(s) again. Why would a pilot need access to ALL FOUR HOURS of high quality video at one time? They only need access to chunks of it. Compression software is a wonderful thing!

My information from the inside is CASA & AsA did not collaborate until the later stages. Development was concurrent and parallel.

It took nearly 12 months to produce too, so give them a break... How much has changed airspace-wise in 12 months. Well the CD/DVD does not incorporate the Nov 2004 changes! I am talking about FUTURE changes anyway. One C airspace step change and it is a coaster.

ultralights How many pilots really have NO INTERNET ACCESS, either at home, the local library, a friends house, their flying school or an internet cafe?

bushy Only the lazy ones of the 10,000 go through the lane. The smart ones go direct in that airspace that is reserved for the skygods. :ok:

Sunfish

3rd Mar 2005, 09:13

Could we all please agree that this is better than nothing? CASA should at the very least be applauded for doing something new. Give them a break!

As for ersa's etc. I respectfully suggest that the real issue is communicating the fact that things have changed! I would suggest that once this fact has impinged on brain cells, most pilots will make the effort to find out What has changed and modify behavior accordingly.

The ones that don't , well..........:confused:

Ultralights

3rd Mar 2005, 09:37

How on earth would YOU get 4 hours of high quality video on someones server and honestly expect the average punter to download it. It would take nearly 12 months for most. Sheesh.

where have you been living this past few yrs, i can download an entire 8 GB DV in approx 2 hrs. on a cheap $30 month broadband connection, also an 8 GB DVD file, and i seriously doubt the CASA dvd will be 8 GIG, more like a single layer 3-4 GIg AT MOST

even then, the 4 gig DVD file can be compressed to 1GB. and considering the very rapid take up of broadband internet, im sure Quite a few will download it.

(8 GIG DVDs are usually reserved for Long Movies in DTS with 5 or so other languages and heaps of special features)

Roger Standby

3rd Mar 2005, 12:40

WeekendWorrier,

I haven't had a chance to go through the whole DVD yet, but I presume that "Wedgefield" somehow slipped in via the AsA training college. The college uses simulated airspace (based on the geography near Exmouth, northern WA) called Exmouth Centre and Wedgefield is one of the major aerodromes in this airspace.

Cheers,

R-S.

Time Bomb Ted

3rd Mar 2005, 22:39

Well I take back the download worries then. I'm sitting in the middle of Brisbane and I get 35Kbps. Bugger!

I'm with you Icarus. Bad CASA, Bad CASA! How dare they try to do something new regarding safety. They should leave the safety thing to people like you who have obviously been actively out there instilling safe practices amongst the General Aviation population for years. Am I right?

I personally think it is the best thing since the VFG. That will be out again around July too I hear.

TBT

dude65

3rd Mar 2005, 23:48

Reading this forum is making me dizzy. Seems to be going round and round with no end in sight.

It may be time to get of Icarus's case. The general consensus would seem to be that it's a great idea,although sending info that's 3+ months out of date is not.
I'd like to know what the future is for this system.

Will it be continued and in what format? Will it be expanded to include some regional airports? Townsville,B'berg. Gold Coast etc.

It's a great idea CASA. What's the next step?

topdrop

4th Mar 2005, 10:30

Good effort by all involved in production - especially the lovely Sally.

cap71n

4th Mar 2005, 23:32

I'm interested in knowing who actually got sent the dvd - coz i didn't, and neither did any of the other instructors I work with... Did anyone else not recieve the dvd? Or anyone know why we didn't get it??

dude65

5th Mar 2005, 01:57

Cap71n

Mine came glued to the front of the latest Flight Safety Australia mag. They may have run out of discs. Could also depend on your ARN.

Ultralights

5th Mar 2005, 12:59

got my flight safety mag, no DVD :(

dude65

5th Mar 2005, 21:33

Could depend on your licence status.

I'm a student so perhaps they had limited discs and only sent them to licence holders who they thought would need/use them.

Could explain instructors etc. missing out

OZBUSDRIVER

6th Mar 2005, 06:07

Got my DVD AND CD-ROM . I liked it, especially around MB. (It even includes the "top secret;-)" Three Tanks reporting point) Content was not too simple ,includes lots of actual video of features from the VTC. Have still to work around the whole DVD. However, on the whole CASA deserves to be congratulated on a very useful product. I particularly liked the input of the respective ATC with pertinent problem spots in their areas of control. Also some useful little tips in operational procedures when operating in marginal VMC.

As for the usual disclaimer, Watto was very specific in the intro to check all rel docs for currency of the presented information.

Regards

Mark

Sunfish

6th Mar 2005, 06:50

Anyone know if there are any "Easter Eggs" on the DVD? You know; hit ctrl alt whatever and up comes a video of BB doing the Hula with Anderson?

Avgas172

6th Mar 2005, 09:35

got mine ok! loved it was good seeing my old stamping ground of Cairns again and how come the CFI in The late eighties was not like the new one? OK Robert you owe me
LOL!!! :{

Ultralights

7th Mar 2005, 07:48

is it just me or did only CPL and higher licence holder only get the DVD/CD??

I have a PPL with a few endorsments, but got no DVD, a few others are the same who i spoke to.

if this be the case, and i hope its not, then it appears to me that CASA has given up on the "weekend warrior" PPL holder! i have every right, just as an ATPL holder has to be updated and educated in the use of our airspace system. Im sure you can think of other issues that might arise by keeping PPL holders "out of the loop" on what could possibly be a serious safety issue, ....... the correct use of our airspace.

Alternator

7th Mar 2005, 10:05

I am just a PPL, albeit an old one.

I got the DVD AND the CD ROM, if CASA wont send you one, I will burn it for you, just PM me.

Ultralights

7th Mar 2005, 10:07

ill get hold of casa tomorrow and request one, if i have no luck there, then i PM you.

Thank you for the Offer!:cool:

Sunfish

7th Mar 2005, 19:20

The DVD was glued onto the outside of the plastic, maybe it fell off in the mail?

Sykes

8th Mar 2005, 00:25

Maybe they just ran short? I'll have a look at the ASA website...

Ultralights

8th Mar 2005, 06:37

CASA reply, the DVD was issued to ALL valid Licence holders from SPL to ATPL. if you didnt get one, either your medical has expired, or it was lost in the post.

i didnt get one because my medical expired while my renewal was being processed! :mad: but she will send one to me :cool:

by the way, whats the DVD called?