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unmanned transport
21st Feb 2005, 22:17
Monday February 21, 2005

Boeing believes the composite structure and electric systems on its new 787 will lead to significantly lower maintenance costs versus comparable aircraft in use today.

In fact, according to 787 Deputy Chief Mechanic Justin Hale, the company is guaranteeing mature maintenance cost savings of 32% against the A330 at year 12 of operation.
Speaking at a media briefing in Seattle last week, Hale said Boeing is targeting a scheduled maintenance program for the 787 that would allow the aircraft to go 1,000 hr. between line maintenance checks, 36 months between base maintenance checks and 12 years between heavy checks.

By comparison, he stated, the A330 requires line maintenance checks every 700 hr., base maintenance checks every 18 months and heavy checks every six years. As a result, over eight years of operations based on three 3-hr. flights per day, a new 787 would require 14 fewer line checks, two fewer base checks and one less structural check than an A330, which would allow the former to operate 131 additional flights during the period.

However, Boeing does not know how the aircraft will size up against the new A350, which Airbus began offering late last year, largely because the manufacturer has not released much information on that aircraft.--Loren Farrar

(The A350 aluminum fuselage will have a shorter time between maintenance checks in comparison to the composite fuse of the 787. If the design of the 350 hasn't been frozen yet with an aluminum fuselage then AB might decide to copy BO and spin composites ones out like 787s).

World patent for a composite airliner fuselage?

The Invisible Cat
21st Feb 2005, 22:54
Did anyone mention composite fuselages ? (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97793&highlight=raytheon)

Sonic Zepplin
21st Feb 2005, 23:39
The starship was so advanced that the Fed's were overly concerened about its structrual integrity and made Raytheon increase the entire program dimension of composite, which ultimately led to the aircrafts poor performance due to weight increase, which ultimately led to the demise of the aircraft.

It like a Delorean, cool to look at but perfoms like Sh.t

But,in reality, if it werent for Raytheon stepping up to the plate with this aircraft, Boeing and/or Airbus would be slugging it out on there own regarding this matter. It has served as a major billion dollar test program

But it certainly sounds familiar, that an airplane cant meet specs based on what the customer has been told. :E

surely not
22nd Feb 2005, 08:32
It's some aeroplane this 787, first it is compared to the brand new 550+ seater A380, then the much older A330, when is it going to be compared to the A320, or perhaps it might even be compared to the A350 which is the aircraft Airbus are putting up against it!!

WindSheer
22nd Feb 2005, 09:21
If you read some of the previous posts relating to Boeing or the FAA, they will do and publicise ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to try and get one up on airbus.


In my opinion, the future is brightest for the french manufacturer.
Boeings amunition is the 787, Airbus have the A350,A380, and all the current A3XX range that are proving more efficient than the current Boeing equivalent.
More importantly, Airbus have the flight deck commonality advantage - I don't understand why Boeing are not going down this road.

I AM NOT TRYING TO INDUCE A BOEING/BUS WAR :ok:

lasernigel
22nd Feb 2005, 09:22
It's all very well some guy at Boeing coming out with these figures.But,the reality is that they must get FAA approval for these maintenance figures.Will they automatically be approved?Has anyone got long term results on composite fuselages and how they wear etc etc?
I seem to remember a thread about what happens when a plane gets "knocked" by a ground vehicle? Can it just take off after a cursory inspection or,as I think what will be mandatory is an x-ray of the affected area.How do you repair a composite component at an airport that has not got these facilities?
The list of questions can go on and on.
Will the answers be as quick in coming back?Or will the figures be fudged to suit the manufacturer?