Oc 8 Sqn

[KPax]

I thought in this PC world that we now live in, that having an affair was not seen as being the crime that it used to. Being old fashioned I thought the 24 hr posting was the way ahead, but I have seen some cases recently where the words 'infringement of civil liberties' were used. Any thoughts. I feel sorry for the guy if he is being picked out.

[Whipping Boy's SATCO]

KPax, we must remember that it takes two to tango. From reading The Sun, it would appear that this may also be a "chain of command" and leadership thing.

[The Gorilla]

KPAX

Having an affair has always been and still remains a punishable offence. Times have changed out here but the AFA 1955 remains extant.

Had it been an affair with any one except one of his execs I supspect that the matter would have gone unnoticed.

I feel for all the guys on 8 Sqn and wish them well, the Sqn was recovering quite nicely from the terrible years of the previous management structure!! They don't need or deserve this!



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[rivetjoint]

Shhhhh, The Sun says they're a top secret spy squadron, well if they were they aren't now are they Mr Wapping Hack?!

[Spot 4]

FWIW I think that people should learn to control the one eyed trouser snake and leave others peoples other halves well alone. It does take two to tango, and an affair is a symptom of a bad marriage rather then the cause, but I am afraid that I have no sympathy whatsoever, and I hope there is an incoming book being thrown at a rapid rate of knots.

.....and when it results in aircrews that cannot fly together!

`nuff said:

Sun Comments:

By JOHN KAY
Chief Reporter

AN RAF spy plane boss was kicked out of his command post yesterday over an illicit fling with one of his deputies.

Wing Commander (Named in the paper), 43, head of top secret 8 Squadron, was grounded and banned from flying spy-in-the-sky missions.

Squadron Leader (Named in the paper), 37, was also suspended from RAF Waddington, Lincs.


At least it wasnt another bloke
:)

[Spikey T]

Tragically, 8 Sqn lost a fine leader, happy 90th boys. Send another lamb to the slaughter…

[airborne_artist]

They both could have observed one of two old sayings:

Obey the 11th Commandment

or

Don't cr@p on your own doorstep

[BEagle]

Spot 4, it won't please those who find adultery acceptable, but I would agree with you.

"Stitch that!" - well, IIRC that stopped one particular adulterer.

And as for lounge lizards who spend their time sniffing around lonely wives whose hubbies are away on detachment....

[BootFlap]

At least it wasnt another bloke

Spot 4

In these enlightened times surely it shouldn't matter? Shame on you for these un-PC comments!

:confused:

[Stitchbitch]

Agree with spot 4 on this one, lol at bootflap, just because it's legal doesn't mean we have to like the idea :yuk:




tertius

[BootFlap]

just because it's legal doesn't mean we have to like the idea

And reel in another! :ok:

[Inspector Dreyfuss]

"Tragically, 8 Sqn lost a fine leader"

An interesting assessment of someone who has been screwing a fellow officer's wife, let alone someone in his chain of command. I can't agree that the behaviour is appropriate of someone in such a position.

[Skeleton]

I feel for all the guys on 8 Sqn and wish them well, the Sqn was recovering quite nicely from the terrible years of the previous management structure!! They don't need or deserve this!

Care to elaborate? was fine when I was there 2001ish, other than people who did not like being told what to do :)

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

Double standards in the "occifer core" yet again :rolleyes:

If he porks the local bank manager/butcher/candlestick makers wife, or has a lifetime of "down route action" he's percieved as a good old boy:ok:

Lay claim to a fellow "royal's" better half and it is seen as the most heinous and despicable act a man can stoop to:yuk:

How "PC" and "EO" is that:rolleyes:

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[Ginseng]

I urge you all to remember that there are always other innocent victims in these situations who don't deserve to be subjected to this. Please desist immediately.

[JessTheDog]

This is unaccepetable behaviour and disciplinary action is wholly appropriate but it should not feature on the front page of the paedophiles' favourite tabloid, let alone in any news paper. Dirty linen should not be washed in public as there are others affected. No further names or sinnuendo please!

[The Gorilla]

Skelly

No I don't care to elaborate and if you were truly there in 2001 then you are just trying to wind me up! You Tw*t!!

Both of these people are decent, professional individuals who I know personally and have worked with over the years. Yes they should have both known better but hey here are some facts!!

1. All Hu-mans make mistakes
2. All leaders are Hu-mans

What truly p*8s*es me off is that this has gotten into the public domain. That means that some one at Waddo or whitehall has leaked it to the press. The previous management structures of both 8 AND 23 have broken rules far worse than this, so it somewhat reinforces my own view that The Air Force Mandarins are quite happy for ANY rules to be broken providing that the job gets done. Break a moral rule however and heaven and earth get moved to sort it out!

I wish both OC8 and his exec well and hope they, their families and 8 Sqn recover from all of this. Sad, messy and unnecessary, part of the continuing 8 Sqn curse perhaps??


Regards

TG

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[Skeleton]

I was there i assure you!!

ill take t*at in jest!!

Must have missed something during my 2 years. ... ho hum

:)

Ill leave it to you to work out who i am:)

[ZH875]

ABIW, I have to agree with you on this one.

JTG, as OC 8 is funded from the public purse, under FOI I am sure Joe Public want to know that he is capable of doing his job properly, and without the possibility of fudging the chain of command.

The Gorilla, if "The previous management structures of both 8 AND 23 have broken rules far worse than this.. ", then maybe it is about time the public were informed on how the forces are being managed. Or as ABIW intimates, as its the Occifers that are involved we had all better be quiet and it will all go away, and we will keep it all under wraps.

[The Gorilla]

Skelly

Depends which bit of 2001!! I was of course referring to the latter part and if you know who I am then you know the Tw*t was indeed in jest!! It wasn't T*at!!

ZH785
Yeah right mate!! Unfortunately it is to late to keep it under wraps!!


TG

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[Skeleton]

Gorilla I think I know who you are but i not sure :(

I left in Jan 01 as it happens... as i was leaving, new management was coming in..

The management when i was there on the flying side was top notch. OC8 of my period was da man even if he was ex shacks. :}

Silly me for the T*** bit sorry about that :uhoh:

[JessTheDog]

JTG, as OC 8 is funded from the public purse, under FOI I am sure Joe Public want to know that he is capable of doing his job properly, and without the possibility of fudging the chain of command.

True to an extent; however, there is a difference between FOI and the front page of the Scum. Moreover, the shenanigans of a certain bearded satyr of a Home Secretary were of no consequence until he started forwarding nanny visa applications in one direction and rail warrants in another direction. There are surely ways to ensure that such sticky situations are dealt with in-house and privately without providing needless amusment for the unwashed masses who can get their fix from Big Brother or whatever, thus avoiding distress for families.

[ZH875]

If "thus avoiding distress for families" is what they wanted, then they shouldn't have carried on the way they did.

If you don't want your dirty laundry seen in public, keep your laundry clean (or at least keep it on).

Name them and Shame them, for it is a dirty deed that they did do.

[The Gorilla]

Skelly

"The management when i was there on the flying side was top notch. OC8 of my period was da man even if he was ex shacks."

We agree Sir!! You were indeed extremely fortunate to leave when you did!! Check you PM's!!

TG
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[Ginseng]

Perhaps you didn't hear me the first time.

For the benefit of the hard of hearing:

PLEASE DESIST IMMEDIATELY

[Training Risky]

Oh no chap, I don't think so...

This is a Rumour board after all!

And if its in the Bun, then it's up for grabs!

[Ginseng]

And if you were the innocent party going through hell , you would still find it all very amusing wouldn't you, you prat.

[Skeleton]

Aghhhhh the mists clear Gorilla we know each other well!! :) Check your PM's m8

I had a horrible feeling when I left.. looks like i was right :(

As for now..can't comment (before i get leapt on)

I thought this was rumour network by the way?

If its in the Sun it can't be true.. can it?? :rolleyes:

[Ray Dahvectac]

And if you were the innocent party going through hell , you would still find it all very amusing wouldn't you, you prat.

The 'innocent party going through hell' has my every sympathy as I have witnessed other 'other halves' going through exactly the same. Anyway, aren't there several people in the same situation, if The Sun's "both are married with children" statement is to be believed?

That aside, the one party whose cause you champion is no more forced to read these forums, or this thread, than he is The Sun. Sorry, but I cannot see where it gives you the right to say what is, and is not, an acceptable topic for discussion here.

[ZH875]

Whats up Ginseng, afraid of something you have been upto may be outed in public.

As members of the public, we have a right to freedom of speech, and as Ray Dah... says No one has to read these forums.

The fact that 'goings on' have occurred, could lead to the nasty situation of 'Blackmail' by anyone, could this have affected the operating efficiency of the RAF.

As Mr Spock put it "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few' . Lets get all the details out in the open and concentrate on doing the job the RAF is trained to do.

[The Gorilla]

Ginyseng

I am not in the military anymore and I don't take orders!!

As much as I am dismayed that this subject is in the public domain, fact is IT IS!! There are wildly differing views being expressed here, it is our right to do so.

If you don't like it go some where else!!

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[teeteringhead]

It is different from down route or down town.

I haven't read the story but have got the gist from the above...

First - it appears to be chain of command and therfore most definitely fails the "military test".

And if it's a brother officer's wife ..... well, I was always taught that was "the worst sort of theft from a comrade" ... itself always a heinous crime..

[captain sanity]

People, especially ex-RAF people, this is a non-story, you may wish to get out more!:(

[buoy15]

Cummon Chaps

Remember the rules?

You don't get done for the offence, you only get done for getting caught - ask any copper!

Over to my expert on discretion - ACM H*rding!

SH*T! what was that flash?

[Stitchbitch]

And reel in another!

D'oh...I is jest too easy..
but I'm not gonna mod your boots no more!:ok:

[Ray Dahvectac]

Over to my expert on discretion - ACM H*rding!

Or the RAF's more recent discretion consultant, ACM Sir Bri*n B*rr*dge.

[Mikehegland]

Seems that he has gone away.....good riddance

[FFP]

Heard about the BB story but has he actually left !??!?!?!

[The Swinging Monkey]

Ginseng,

What is your problem???
Why do you want us to decist old bean?? have you got a guilty concience or something? If you or they don't like reading the truth, them read something else - the RAF news maybe, that's turned into a bit of a comic.

The fact is that these two individuals knew what they were doing, and had been doing it for some time. The facts are simple, two senior officers, both married, both with children, deide to have an affair, it's not very 'officer-like' is it? Especially the 'Boss' and a Flt cdr, oh dear oh dear!!

The fact that they 'got caught' 'found out' whatever dosn't matter, it is simply 'Conduct unbecoming an officer' ................. sorry, but end of story.

Capt Sanity, you are mistaken Sir. When the OC of a high profile Sqn such as 8 acts in this manner, with one of his Flt Cdrs, it is most definately NOT a 'non-story'

Kind regards to all

The Swinging Monkey

[Mikehegland]

GINSENG.....

how on earth is he innocent.... get real....

[Mad_Mark]

Mike, I think you will find that Ginseng was not refering to those doing the dirty, but to the innocent other halfs, one of which, if I have read this thread correctly, is another serving officer, who may well read this site :eek:

MadMark!!! :mad:

[Mikehegland]

Roger.

I apologise.:ouch:

[Tiger_mate]

If the innocent third party reads this website, he/she may well find some comfort in the fact that there are still serving members with some code of morales. I support those who have voiced objections to this behaviour, as IMHO there is no room for it in the armed forces.

I am not sure what planet Ginseng is on for his comments will only inflame the thread, but perhaps that is his/her intention anyway.

[Ginseng]

Oh no, I haven't gone away.

Mad_Mark: Thank goodness for someone who can actually understand what they read. Thankyou.

MikeHegland: Apology accepted.

As for the rest of you, your replies say far more about you than about anything else.

And now I will withdraw with good grace, since all that is worth saying, and much that is not, has already been said.

Ginseng

[TwoTunnels]

When does this behaviour become 'Bringing the Air Force into disrepute'? I'm sure other people have been CHARGED with lesser crimes than having the RAF spread across the front page of a national newspaper in this manner. A 24 hour posting may be a punishment, but surely it's not as 'official' as a being charged. (or don't wg cdr and sqn ldrs get charged?)

[freeride]

What did BB do? Rough, sketchy non-incriminating details will do!

[teeteringhead]

But it's not what he (allegedly) did, but with whom he did it! And that's where comparisons with BB and Peter H fall down. In both their cases, the "other woman" was a civvy.

Not only was this not so in this case, but the "other woman" was a serving officer, and wife of a serving officer. Most importantly (IMHO), she was his direct subordinate - he was her 1st RO for pity's sake. No tendency to overmark there then!

And I think Peter H would have got away with it these days .... if you recall the details, it was a journo stitchup that made it public - quelle surprise!

[The Swinging Monkey]

Two Tunnels,

The very fact that it has got into the papers, the fact that the RAF press office are making statements and just the very nature of 'the offence' means it is bringing the RAF into disrepute. Do you think that Joe Public will NOT think poorly of a Wg Cdr Sqn Boss and one of his Flt Cdrs? Come on, of course they do. Even most civvies that I know have commented on it showing the RAF in a bad light, and other such comments.

Ginseng, go away and get a life (and don't you go reading any nasty old stories that might upset you)

Tiger_mate - I think your correct, I personally know the 'old man' of the female Flt cdr, and he is a top bloke, without question. I am sure that he will take some comfort in knowing that most people like myself are pretty disgusted and saddened by what has happened.

Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey

[Mikehegland]

Well, at the end of the day it seems it is not only the end of a good mans career but also his marriage which is very sad. However, before indulging in this affair, he/they knew the consequences of his/her/their actions and in some respects he is lucky he still has a job. In my company he would have been out on his ear and would probably not work for a similar company again.

[allan907]

The fact that the Services view screwing a brother officer's wife with disgust is for a very good reason. It breaks down morale and teamwork.

My (ex)wife was screwing one of my cadets at Cranwell. He was a u/t nav by the time that I found out about it. My pride wouldn't let me denounce him to the authorities. I moved into the Mess and he moved into my house. One day I went to visit my kids. They let me into the house where I discovered all his uniforms etc hanging in my wardrobe. I took a knife and pair of scissors to all his shirts, trousers and anything else of his that I could find.

The next thing I find that I'm up in front of my boss being threatened with 1021 for damaging his uniform!

And because he was precious aircrew sweet fa was done to him.

I certainly learnt about double standards from that!


PS. My wife eventually married him and got divorced relatively soon thereafter. My ex and I are now on very good terms and she reckons that he was a total prat and it was the worst decision she has ever made.

Name and Shame? xxxxx - formerly a Phantom nav.

Edited to take out the name in case he gets upset and sues me!

[The Swinging Monkey]

Mike,

you have got me confused Sir.
I have just been reading some of your 'dodgy' posts ref the Skiing holiday, during which you suggest (and certainly want) us to believe that you are a serving Officer. Your latest comment on this forum suggests otherwise??................

'In my company he would have been out on his ear and would probably not work for a similar company again'

Now come on Mike, be a man and tell us pray....
Are you RAF or are you someone who wants to be with us 'Big Boys'???

Notwithstanding your possible occupation, I happen to agree with your comments on this forum at least!!

Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey

[maxburner]

allan907,

Jerry Springer is waiting to hear from you.

[teeteringhead]

Jerry Springer is waiting to hear from you. But only if you are a trained tenor.;)

[allan907]

I'll train fer anything fer a tenner! (Depends what it is as to how many noughts go behind the 10)