JetsGo Recruiting

[Willie Everlearn]

Just curious....

Has anyone been invited to interview with JGO recently????
...and,
would you happen to know how many crew they need???

Do they conduct people interviews or technical interviews???

I know a few guys at JGO who don`t seem to mind it there.

I understand/accept they require new hires to pay up front for training. Please don`t initiate a slagging match at my expense as I`m only interested in replys to the above. Thanks.

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[ajet32]

Need direct entry Captains, require 1000 hours jet over 44000kgs
prefer as PIC or 2000 PIC on A/C over 12,500. DE Capt all have previous jet time as PIC on larger A/C. No technical interview although talk of a sim eval now.
Good Luck

[Obbie]

Was invited to interview back in Dec. but could not attend due to sched.

Proposed interview was in two parts, interview in YUL.

Sim eval in YYZ using the 747-400 box at pearson.

Sim eval was geared towards showing your level of proficiency
with a basic FMS.

Sorry, thats all I have, like I said I never went.

[Willie Everlearn]

ajet 32
Obbie

Gentlemen,
Thanks for your posts.

There`s enough uncertainty in the Canadian airline industry, without trying to figure who`ll be a winner and who`ll be a looser, isn`t there? So it`s hard to say who`ll survive and who won`t. Whatever carrier you decide to apply for these days seems to be a crap shoot on a good day. As for salaries, there seems to be no rhyme or reason as far as what you`re paid so I won`t even ask. (As if we had a choice?)
In this LCC reality, I`d say most are take it or leave it anyway. Including Jetsgo.
Not much on the menu these days. Is there?

If it`s a DEC, who in their right mind would turn it down?

Good luck to you in the New Year and thanks again.

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[Canadian Beech]

I'm guessing there would be still enough C3 guys out there with time, that could jump at this... If they wanted: Does that say something about them, or the company:bored:

[Willie Everlearn]

It would surprise me very much if many ex-C3ers were interested in a gig with JGO or any of the other LCCs for that matter.
Most are likely overseas getting a descent salary unless they lack ambition or somehow actually believe that this is the best country in the world to be in for pilot employment.
Based on the number of pilots I know in this country, most of the 'experience' has left the country for greener pastures.
But, you never know.
:confused:

[Rosbif]

It's not a lack of ambition , but a lack of 500 PIC on their type or a lack of a JAR licence that would keep them here. As far as I know there is not a single ex C3 at Jetsgo. Not their choice, by all accounts. I could be wrong.

[in limbo]

Actually you are wrong.
I know of at least a couple guys at Jetsgo from C3.
Believe me they don't care about that petty C3 Royal crap.

[Willie Everlearn]

Speaking from experience...
once you land that first jet job....
life is great.
life is grand.
There's no other company better or more deserving of your loyalty than the one who hired YOU to fly their jets from that day on.

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Until, that is, that company merges or goes bust and leaves you scrambling to find a flying job in a seriously competitive pilot market that constantly goes from bad to worse to just plain awful. And on top of that expects you to pay for your own training???

:confused:
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Once you've had that happen to you, it's difficult to let go. Just look at the slagging that goes on whenever Jetsgo or C3 are mentioned.
Sounds to me like both groups have certain issues from the past still boiling inside, two plus years later!!

I can assure you, the company culture ingrained in you at the old company, once you've had that first taste of glory, never goes away quietly. It can become very difficult and sometimes impossible to accept new ways of doing things to get along and play nice (ACA&CPA&WDA&EPA&NDA&PWA&QBA) when you eventually end up flying for a new outfit (canJet, Westjet, jetsGo). Whoever it might be.

None of these outfits would waste a split seconds thought on whether or not to let you go when certain financial realities turn ugly.

Welcome to the new world.

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As shirty as that is...that's just the way it is. So, if something wicked this way comes, I guess I have to sit and listen to what's on offer and decide from there. Including a sim eval. (cool)

Keep on flying in the Free World
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[Saltaire]

As an ex-C3, I don't know of any that are with Jetsgo. Almost all have found work and yes, mostly overseas, with the exception of WJ and Harmony. That should speak for iteself about Jetsgo.

[Willie Everlearn]

saltaire

If you (a broad generalization) don't actually work for this company, I'm not sure how valid your comment about them might be. Perhaps taken with a grain of salt?

I'd say we're both on the outside looking in and relying greatly on hearsay. But I'd also have to say, I've heard similar uncomplimentary comments about them which is why I'd like to find out a little bit more about them. Preferrably from an insider.

There aren't that many pilot jobs (in Canada) going at the moment, are there?

I agree with your comment that most of the ex-C3ers have left the country for (hopefully) a better future. At least the ones I know are no longer here.

Besides, as I eluded to in my previous post, once you've worked for a C3, it's hard to adjust to a lesser company like Jetsgo, West Jet or Can Jet, or even Harmony (and where did they get that name?). How much of that remark is perception?

We don't always have the option of leaving the country to salvage something from our pathetic flying careers before retiring. Not all overseas (at least the ones I know) are happy, are they?

[Safety Guy]

Willie:

You may not have meant anything by it, but the term "lesser company" is a bit of a slap in the face IMHO. By what measure do you make this value judgement?

If C3 was a "greater" company, why is it no longer around? It was only ever marginally profitable in its' best years. While the working conditions may have been good (and I know a few ex C3ers who say otherwise), it takes more than shiny planes and a whip-cracking boss to make a go of it. In the end, poor management brought it down.

[Willie Everlearn]

Safety Guy

:ok:

You're right. This is part of my point. And I have no intention of slapping anyone in the face with that remark.

Whether or not a company is "greater" or "lesser" is simply a matter of opinion.

I've read too many unfair and biased opinions about Jetsgo to give most of them any credibility because I am ex-C3 and completely understand the fantasy under which most at C3 lived.

Say what you like about Jetsgo, but I'd work for Ron Henry any day!

[Safety Guy]

Willie:

Thanks for clarifying your point. I agree with you about Ron, spot on bloke there. It's too bad he works for ML. I worked for him once, and I couldn't wait to get out because of the maintenance issues I saw. Getting read the riot act for writing snags was not something I enjoyed. When I got told I had an attitude problem, I found another job, real quick.

[Saltaire]

Willie,

If you need to work then do what you have to do, but it sounds like your trying to convince yourself. ML has a history that we all know well, but a port in a storm is a fine place to be. C3 was a great experience but again, as a charter company it's not going to take you to retirement and it certainly didn't make me any richer. The people made it a great place to work. If Jetsgo has some fine people on board, then great, but the conditions of service make it a short term option, but again, if you need to get back in the game then so be it.

Good luck

[Rosbif]

As usual, Willie's hitting the nail right on the head. Same experience for me, just different players. In the end, none of these companies would cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire!

[I am Birddog]

There`s enough uncertainty in the Canadian airline industry, without trying to figure who`ll be a winner and who`ll be a looser, isn`t there?

If a passenger goes outta his way and spend his own money to build this webite...I would bet $32K this company is not on the winner list...

www.jetsgosucks.com

this aint no joke...it's actually very funny...I assume this passenger got stranded in YYZ on the Dec 24th storm.

[Willie Everlearn]

I am Birddog

Your post doesn't work for me. Emotionally or otherwise.

I completely understand passengers heading home for Christmas being angry and upset when their flight is delayed or cancelled.
This presentation shows me nothing more than an angry passenger who's found something to do with his digital camera who intends on taking his frustration and disappointment out on the airline. In this case, Jetsgo.
If I could believe every airline in the world had never suffered similar events, I could be sympathetic to a much greater extent. But, the reality is, this doesn't happen to be the case nor does it phase me in the least.

There are many, I'm sure, good reasons for the crew delaying the flight for an hour and as far as the weather was concerned on the day in question, and it's no surprise to me that the passengers were oblivious to the aerodynamics involved in the combination of freezing precip and aircraft wings as evidenced by their stupid behaviour. If they knew more about it, I think many would have shut the f*** up. Proving YET again, the customer is NOT always right.

Regulations are regulations. Weather problems are weather problems. When these two collide, I'm going to call the whole thing off. Having had my fair share of 23 hour duty days in previous times, I can tell you it ain't gonna happen again. I don't care how many passengers are chomping on the bit. I have to be up to the challenges on the day. If I'm not then I shouldn't be sitting on the flight deck. The regulations tell me so even if common sense doesn't.

I feel sorry for the inconvenienced on the day in question. But, believe me, I couldn't shed a single tear for any one of them. In fact, I say the crew did a good job. Why the passengers think they know better is beyond me, and frankly Scarlett.......

[WJman]

I think what your missing here is that many other carriers were operating flights. Jet'sGO's total meltdown showed how fragile their system is and how little experience their customer service people and management have dealing with these situations.
I was working all that week, the 23 rd, 24th,25th and 26th. It was a shambles, their were no answers for people and no options as flts on all carriers were full. Making matters worse was the fact that while they were telling one set of pax at gate 37 they could not go to YYZ because of weather on gate 41 Westjet was pushing back and over the loudspeaker was Air Canada calling final boarding for a YYZ flt. There was outright lying.
I see first hand how uninformed a pax can be, how things beyond our control can cancel or delay a flt and a pax will flip out.
In this case the pax were right, there is also more to this story than we know. How can 23 flights be cancelled and all of it be due to crew rest and weather. There was a meltdown, and it costs them a lot of bad press and a lot of lost customers, until they can fly to their destination for $20, then they might forget.
Basically there is no excuse for what happend,I can't see any defence to this fact. They will learn from this and have measures in place.Snow and freezing rain will happen all winter, it's how you deal with your cancellations and delays, how your employees treat people and how seriously they take their jobs that will see an airline through this. It wasn't handled well and that's that.

[Willie Everlearn]

Yes.
And the Citation that landed just ahead of the L1011 in Dallas?
How is the tristar behind the Citation, crashed into the storage tanks short of the runway?

An aircraft took off into the dark clouds and gusty winds at New Orleans, so how is it the departing B727 ended up in a gazillion pieces in a New Orleans suburb???

There are many examples.
How did the US Air F28 crash on takeoff out of KLGA in a blinding snow storm when several presceeding aircraft managed to do so safely???


Sorry WJet man, just because West Jet is pushing back from gate 41, doesn't mean we're dealing with the same decision making chain or elements, does it? Or is this an ego thing?

Could it be the 73 jock might not have the same level of experience (more or less) than his counterpart who decided to throw it away??? We've all had 'tough' days at the office. Who knows? I wasn't there. But I'm confident I've been in similar situations and didn't always agree with decisions and choices at the time. Experience has decided much of that for me now. When things start stacking up and I can eliminate but a few....that's it. Shows over. (Remember the Chain theory taught in so many CRM courses?)

I hate to sound patronizing here, but the point is, you and I may not be facing the same decision tree, even on a CAVU day and the passenger in 14A isn't being paid to make my decisions and in this case Jetsgo's decisions, (thank gawd), is he? So what he or she thinks of my decision to go or not to go isn't a factor in my decision making process. Frankly, neither is it the Chief Pilots decision to make on my behalf. Cuz at the end of the day, it's the Captains' ass in the witness box when the TSB starts asking the questions. I can assure you, they won't be asking how is it WJ departed gate 41 and took off safely? What's wrong with you?

Jetsgo may not have all it's ducks in a row. This is the kind of info I'm seeking. I honestly don't think the "my dog's bigger than your dog" element of many previous posts is beneficial to anyone seeking facts but thanks for the imput.

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[WJman]

I think you are misunderstanding my post. It's not a Jet'sGO bash, you will notice I mentioned AC was leaving as well,hell so was Canjet. Some of the cancellations may have been safety oriented, but as I said there was a larger problem that day. It has nothing to do with crews choice to fly or not, it has to do with responsability towards people.
If you really believe that in that situation Jet'sGO was a victim of weather and that's all then your missing something. Were all the other airlines being unsafe?
I think what stands out in the above mentioned site is poor information and poor treatment. Wether the aircaft left or not there was no reason for what went on.
Hopefully they learned from there mistakes and will have contigency plans, staff ect.. for busy days with forecasted weather.

[R8TED THRUST]

The Rhumors I've heard is that based on 20.05$ tickets Jets Go can't afford Glycol so we should expect a lot of XCLD flights over the winter!

[ajet32]

To say we operate without problems would be untrue. Perhaps we are hurting Westjet more than they care to admit;especially in the profit sharing department. Oh and bye the way, a lot of the boys are looking forward to flying out west next week to old favs like YXE and YXS. Lookout we're coming!

[Willie Everlearn]

ajet32

so what is the actual number of F100s? 18?

Where are JGO getting their DECs and F/Os for this fleet and what are they paying???
:confused:

Any chance you could shed some light on it for me?

You're right, all the other players aren't without their problems either.

Thanks

:ok:

[royalterrace]

ajet32

"Look out we're coming"
This move by Jetsgo has to be the most foolish yet. I'd be very nervous if I were you.

[extreme P]

I guess we have to define what a C3 pilot was to decide if there are any at JG. In this case it might be more accurate to say "former Royal" pilot rather than ex-C3. From the orginal ex-C3 list there are no pilots employed at JG.

[jumpy737]

What about the TWO engine shutdowns that occured on the 23rd? One was out of YWG due to a fuel leak and the other was out of YYZ. Two in one day does not look good and this was a contributing factor to the meltdown that occured. You can say all you want the the flights were cancelled due to safety concerns when in reality they were cancelled due to a company that has grown faster than the safety department (I'm asssuming you have one) can keep up with. Until you have a FOQA operation set up you will never know what is happening on the line. You will be as surprised as every other company about what happens out there when that is in place. While I admit that your pilots aren't as inexperienced as people say, it comes down to time on type and not just overrall time. Most other companies you will see every season at least twice as an FO before being given the ultimate resposibility over the aircraft. If the JetsGo captains are deciding not to go during a snowstorm, that I think is inexperience. We have many reference manuals at our disposal which will tell us if we can take off or not and if WJ decided to take off, it was safe to do do....end of story.

[ajet32]

Edited

[jumpy737]

That aircraft is overnighted in the hanger and is taken out about two hours before deaprture.

[ajet32]

There happy now!

[jonny dangerous]

Thank you AJET.

Mr JUMPY: spreading alleged mechanical problems at the competitor is perhaps not something professionals should engage in. Whaddyathink? I know it's something that begins at the flying school level and you really find out about at your first job, but perhaps we can leave that crap where it belongs: in the flight deck...



Cheers



JD

[Rosbif]

Since this thread is supposed to be about Jetsgo recruiting, you might find it interesting that Parc are advertising for MD80 rated captains. ICAO licence is OK and they want 500PIC on type. Presumably MD83 experience qualifies.
That might open up a lot of slots. If your bond is up, or nearly up, why stick around?
The job is in Japan.
Cheers,
Rosbif.