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The Guvnor
14th Jan 2002, 17:44
From today's Scotsman:

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[quote]Liddell to push for Prestwick go-ahead
Brian Gorman

SECRETARY of State for Scotland, Helen Liddell, will this week press the UK airline industry, crisis-ridden following 11 September, to go ahead with the completion of a new £60 million air traffic control system at Prestwick.

The project has been under threat since September, when terrorist atrocities in the US-led to a sharp downturn in transatlantic flights.

The National Air Traffic Control Service has asked the government to put the new centre, originally due for completion in 2007, on hold for up to two years.

The consortium of airlines that owns 46 per cent of NATS has backed the decision. The seven airlines, British Airways, bmi british midland, Virgin Atlantic, easyJet, Monarch, Britannic and Airtours, have had to scale back operations drastically, as cash flow has dwindled.

The group acquired the stake last July when NATS was privatised. The government retains a 49 per cent stake, with the remaining 5 per cent in a trust for employees.

A spokesman for the investing consortium said: "NATS took the decision to postpone the project, as there was no need for it. We agreed with them, and so did the government."

However, Liddell is likely to ask NATS chief executive Richard Everitt to press ahead. She will argue that the UK needs the Prestwick facility as a back-up should other systems be targeted by terrorists. George Foulkes, the minister of state for Scotland, will also attend the meeting, to be held in Whitehall on Wednesday.

The government has given the go-ahead for the controversial Terminal 5 at London’s Heathrow. Liddell and Foulkes will argue the airline industry should respond by backing the new Prestwick centre, which will create 470 jobs.

NATS is already stretched, as it is due to open a new facility at Swanwick, Southampton on 27 January. The Prestwick postponement is part of a package of £200 million of savings NATS is making. It is also making some 20 per cent of its 5,500-strong workforce redundant.

Airlines and tour operators are still assessing the effects of 11 September. Shares in most companies in the sector plunged, with British Airways losing half its value in 2001. Last week, BAA, the UK’s biggest airport operator, said passenger numbers in December were down 6.4 per cent, compared with a year earlier. North Atlantic traffic fell 13 per cent, while other long-haul traffic fell 6 per cent.

Scottish airports bucked the trend. For 2001 as a whole, Edinburgh was the second-fastest growing airport in the UK, after London’s Stansted. Edinburgh passed the 6 million passenger mark, rising 9.9 per cent. Glasgow showed the next biggest rate of growth, with 4.7 per cent, and 7.2 million passengers.<hr></blockquote>

bagpuss lives
15th Jan 2002, 00:27
Speaking from a VERY selfish point of view I'm mighty glad the place has been delayed.

Means we get more time at MACC <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Could never understand why it had to be Scotland anyhow - but maybe that's opening another can of worms? Plenty of places in the NW that are much more suitable IMHO.

Here's hoping, selfishly, for more delays to the place. I happen to like it here :)

Findo
15th Jan 2002, 01:56
Nice to see George Fookes getting off his backside at last and doing something in public. He was quick enough to stand outside Atlantic House and state categorically that "privatisation would mean the closure of the Prestwick (ATC) facility". Maybe he has just realised he is now in Government and not just saying what he thought the local voters would appreciate. Shame he has to be taken there by Helen Liddell who is not well versed on the arguments. Then again the shadow Secretary of State (now Secy Gen NATO) was the one who said "Labour are unequivocally against ATC privatisation". Perhaps we should not hold our breath for white smoke from Kemble St.

Niteflite - point noted. Manch is a great place to be but these days you probably wouldn't seriously locate an ATC facility in the middle of an international airport - no matter how much it pleases the staff. As for the combined location it is a matter of logistics and economics. ScOACC has a civil, a military and an Oceanic centre all in one building with a total of over 600 civil and military personnel. The economics of moving to a more expensive area don't make it worth while.

NextLeftAndCallGround
15th Jan 2002, 02:05
niteflite has a good point about the NW. And so has Findo.

Preston seems like a nice place ... many happy memories of Bilsborrow, Beacon Fell and the surrounding countryside!

allthenines
15th Jan 2002, 13:52
There is supposed to be an ATC Centre REDUCTION programme throughout Europe so what justification could NATS give for building more? The 2 centre strategy seems to be a myth. If LATCC/NERC went down now, there is no contingency for ScATCC to handle the London FIR traffic. It would be just as easy to transfer traffic to Eurocontrol if the technology was in place! So how could the Airline Group sell this massive investment to their shareholders and staff when the airlines have made such savage cuts to jobs in their own companies?

Come on Helen get real, this is no longer a political decision. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

2 six 4
15th Jan 2002, 15:16
All the 9's.

You're wrong about the contingency but I'm not posting any detail here.

You're wrong about the centre reduction plan that is a theory advanced by some when in practise most countries are still building and expanding their ATC networks.

You're wrong about the ability to transfer to Eurocontrol. The technology is not there, the sector capacity is not there, the staff are not there and the cost to put any of those in place would mean more than the cost of the new Scottish centre.

Scottish and Manchester are going to need replacement as a going operation. The plan is not just to build a contingency for Swanwick. There is no commercial company in the world going to plan to give away it's business as a first resort.

Why on earth should NATS not build the 2nd centre with a view to providing some of the above for the UK and possibly other ATC providers by chosing suitable equipment in conjunction with other ATC operators.

The cost and running costs of NSC make NERC look expensive. Why would NATS continue to expand the more expensive operation when it can provide a more cost effective new operation which combines Scottish, Manchester, Oceanic and the military without adding millions by moving all the staff ? <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

Eric T Cartman
17th Jan 2002, 23:25
@ NextLeft
I'm with you - how about a Centre on a greenfield estate a few miles north of Preston with a social club and accomodation if needed. Hang on, that sounds like Barton Hall ! Wonder why it was knocked down ? Ho hum, such is the price of progress :-(

Adge Cutler
17th Jan 2002, 23:34
I've found the place

As you drive on the A90 through Dundee there's a great big callcentre with the 121 on the side of it. This was finished a while ago and has never been opened. There's bound to be a coffee lounge and loads of telephone lines going into the thing, not to mention car parking.

All we've got to do is fill it with Radars! After all, aren't we looking for 'commercial off the shelf systems'? It's a commercial on the shelf building.

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