AFI course in Inverness??

[Eff Oh]

Anyone know if you can do an AFI course at Inverness?? If not then anywhere north of Perth?. .Thanks.. .Eff Oh. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[clear prop!!!]

Perth is as far north as you can do an FI course.. .. .Tayside Aviation <a href="http://www.taysideaviation.co.uk" target="_blank">www.taysideaviation.co.uk</a>. .. .Tayflite claim to offer a course there too, but don't know if that's a reality or not!. .. .You can double check on the srg website but I'm 99.99% sure that tis is correct.. .. .Good luck

[juggernaut]

FIC courses, working South, start at Perth, Tayside Aviation, 01738 553357, next is Humberside and Leeds.. .Any examiner can supply you with info on FIC sites or go to the CAA website where there is also a listing.

[mad_jock]

By all accounts its dependent on if you can persude a FI instructor into your local.. .. .So if you can find a FI instructor who wants a 2 week holiday in the highlands. And you have enough to fill a course. I am sure you can get a course where ever you like. Unlike other JAR courses the FI's can operate where they like as far as I know. . .. .MJ

[clear prop!!!]

Not so I'm afraid Mad Jock. .. .The course hase to be conducted at an approved training organisation.. .. .<a href="http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/SRG_FCL_ApprovedFTOs.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/SRG_FCL_ApprovedFTOs.pdf</a>

[mad_jock]

Yes but its fairly easy for them to get satalite approval if they want to train in a different local, and there is no other approved school in the area.. .. .MJ

[clear prop!!!]

Never heard of that one!!. .. .Bear in mind that it is the FTO that is the approved training provider NOT the instructor.. .. .If this satellite thing you talk about can be done it would reqire the FTO to become involved with another organisation. Can you imagine the paperwork and costs involved!!. .. .Remember that FIC instuctors teach other courses as well. I can imagine what would happen here if the boss was asked to set that up, and let a senior instructor away for 2/3 weeks in order that a student could train nearer to home!!!. .. .Can you advise where you got this from?. .. .I think that in the long run Eff Oh would be cheaper an quicker booking a B&B in Perth for a couple of weeks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Noggin]

Satellite operation has two meanings:

a. Training takes place from base A and flights are conducted to base b. It is then expected that the flight will return to the main base A.

b. When a FTO requires two operating bases, one being a "satellite" operation, the full documentation and approval requirements have to be met at both locations and two sets of fees paid.

[Mister Geezer]

I contacted Tayside back in January to get some info about their Perth based AFI course.

The man to call is Sandy Torrance on (01738) 553357. I have heard nothing bad about the Tayside AFI course and I am seriously considering it.

Hope this might help

Cheers

MG

[mad_jock]

Ok got hold of the books now.

CAP 682 part 6

para 2.2

The majority of organisations seeking approval from Authority will be based at an aerodrome in united Kingdom. How ever JAR-FCL provides for the use of alternative base aerodromes and for arrangments to be made with other training organisations. Where arrangments are made with other organisations, these shall also be approved in accordance with provisions of FCL 1 and 2 and shall be accessible for inspection. The Head of training of the FTO making the arrangments shall be responsible to the Authority for training standards and for compliance with FCL in all of the organisations at which parts at which parts of the courses are undertaken.

So its a paper work exercise as long as the alternative base is already approved for SEP ppl training and no other fees / inspections are required.

I have heard of cources being run away from the FTO's listed. So it can't be to difficult or expensive to do.

MJ

[clear prop!!!]

But why on Earth?????

The original post was to find an FTO which was approved to conduct the FIC near Inverness.

Fact….The nearest course is at Perth.

The hassle and grief that would be caused by arranging ‘satellite’ approval for a student who wishes to train nearer home, would not make any FTO want to consider the possibility.

As I said earlier, those who instruct the FI course and generally senior instructors or CFI’s. Why on Earth would anyone want to pay their travel accommodation and potential loss of income costs?

The facts of life are that FTO’s are where they are and instructors are based there. Oxford are at Kiddlington, Cabair are at Cranfield etc etc etc. The basic premise is that the student goes where the courses are on offer. To expect anything else is naive.

I’m sorry Mad J but, whilst there may be loopholes, they do not affect those who simply want a simple CPL or FIC. Let’s not complicate life!

BTW, what happened to your ATPL and FI ratings on your profile?

[mad_jock]

There is no cost involved getting approval to do a FI course away from base. The section is only valid for FI training not CPL etc. And from what i have seen the punter dosn't get envolved anyway.

As for the costs of travel etc. whats the difference between you paying the travel costs and living away from home and putting the instructor up. Anything more than 2 people and your quids in.

There are a few self employed FI instructors about who will do these courses. ( I can give you a mobile number if required).

MJ

[Mister Geezer]

Mad Jock

I heard that you have got an FI job at INS? Any truth in the rumour?

Well done and all the best if it is true.

Where did you do your FI course?

MG

[juggernaut]

After reading this discussion it seems to me that some people expect the mountain to come to mohammed, the CAA inspect FIC sites on a regular basis and take into account the briefing facilities and aircraft etc., it costs a lot of money to get the approval and tests are normally conducted on site with an FIC examiner in the said club aircraft, there are only 3 examiners in Scotland. The course as we know is 31 hours (including acceptance test) and 125 hours of ground school, there is no way it can be covered correctly in two weeks, it can just about be crammed into 4 weeks in good weather! I would be surprised if any UK FIC instructor would commit to this training away from site as it would be uneconomic from the approved clubs point of view and logistically difficult even if the CAA did give the go ahead. FIC instructors tend to be experienced guys who are in demand and are have no need to tour the country looking for work.:p

[GT6]

I did my FI(R) course with Sandy at Perth last year, no complaints! Sandy wears several hats at Perth (CFI, Examiner, CPL instructor) so has a full programme! I can't imagine he would be prepared to move to INS for a few weeks. It took 5 weeks full time study to do the course and Flight test, can't imagine it taking much less!

Blue Skies and Soft Landings

GT6