pan pan pan

[suppie]

What exactly is the difference of a pan pan pan call or mayday
when do U use pan and when the mayday?:confused:

[Herod]

Mayday = Distress. "A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminent danger and of requiring immediate assistance"

Pan = Urgency. "A condition concerning the safety of an aircraft or of some person on board or within sight, but which does not require immediate assistance."

eg. Unconrolled fire aboard, Mayday. Short of fuel (but not yet critical), Pan

[DSR10]

"Pan Pan Pan" is used by film directors and chefs in busy kitchens

"Mayday" is only used once a year and associated with Morris Dancers

[Keygrip]

Mayday:

In extreme danger - imminent threat of death or serious injury - require immediate assistance.

Pan Pan:

You have a problem - but it is not (yet) life threatening - maybe lost in cloudy weather, running short of fuel (need ATC help to find the nearest airport), engine running a litle bit rough and you think it might stop running ......stuff like that.

[suppie]

Great thats what I wanted to know...last night I had a pan flt comming into AMS which turned out to be having a lightning strike

[T O G A Boy]

MayDay is used in extreme situation such as engine fire etc..And for eg.. If it is fire, then u declare a mayday. but once the fire is out and under control and the aircraft is flying well with the remaining engine/s then u can degrade the call to pan pan pan..it is the same explanation as Herod mentioned.. Hope this answers your answer..

[Giles Wembley-Hogg]

I wise man once told me that not all States use, "pan pan". Does anyone know if he is correct and if so which States don't? (I think he mentioned France and USA)

Thanks

G W-H

[FJJP]

This subject was the subject of extensive comment from some highly experienced people. Go to:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111028&highlight=mayday

[KENNYR]

TOGA Boy, I would never downgrade a Mayday to a Pan, especially if there was an engine fire that has been extinguished (or so you think). The wiring has probably been burned and the heat stress could have weakened engine/airframe parts. Much better idea is to have the boys in red or green waiting for you half way down the active ready for any emergency.

A serious question...........is "Securite" still used in modern aviation??

[azzamang]

In Australia SECURITE can still be used but seldom is

Mainly used to tell ATC of unexpected Weather, or info that may be important to other Aircraft of the Freq.

[Airbus Girl]

Heard an aircraft with a Mayday at Lanzarote last week, due to low on fuel. We heard him attempt two approaches and go around and was attempting a third (on the opposite runway) when ATC told him to break off the approach and climb, due to an aircraft doing an approach to the opposite runway (the other aircraft was below his altitude). There then followed an interesting discussion about the fact he was Mayday traffic, and therefore other, non emergency traffic should be out of the way. ATC seemed to treat the Mayday aircraft no different from the rest of the traffic trying to get in and the aircraft had no choice but to climb as he was in IMC. Interesting. I was aware that not all countries will know what a PAN is but I thought Mayday was pretty much international. (In case you were wondering, the last we heard, the Mayday aircraft was diverting).