Help, licencing question

[Noax2grind2]

I appreciate that this is a rumour news forum but need the answer soonest, and have also posted on biz jets , but figured I would reach a bigger audience quicker here!

I hold a UK CAA JAA ATPL, can I operate as crew on an N reg a/c if it is purely a private operation??
Many thanks!

[yachtpilot]

I think it highly unlikely as even if you go to the States and hire a c150 with a ppl you still need to get your licence endorsed by the FAA

[Sofa King]

To be able to work on a N-registered plane, you need to hold a FAA Mechanics license number. This is to do the work and be able to sign it of in the log book. The JAA/CAA license is worthless on a N registered plane, just like the FAA license is worthless on any other than N registered.
I have worked in the US, and hold both a FAA license and a JAR 66.

Hope this info helps. Have fun in the States.
Where are you going to, if I may ask?

[Burger Thing]

You have a UK CAA JAA ATPL and you don't know the answer to that? :}

[cat 3a]

NO otherwise one licence will be enough to operate any reg a/c

you need to get your licence endorsed even for a private hire

you can get more info from FAR/AIM I think is part 61


good luck

[Airbubba]

§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of U.S. registry, unless that person --

(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used; and

(2) Has a photo identification that is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. The photo identification must be a:

(i) Valid driver's license issued by a State, the District of Columbia, or territory or possession of the United States;

(ii) Government identification card issued by the Federal government, a State, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United States;

(iii) U.S. Armed Forces' identification card;

(iv) Official passport;

(v) Credential that authorizes unescorted access to a security identification display area at an airport regulated under 49 CFR part 1542; or

(vi) Other form of identification that the Administrator finds acceptable.

...(c) Medical certificate. (1) Except as provided for in paragraph (c)(2) of this section, a person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of an aircraft, under a certificate issued to that person under this part, unless that person has a current and appropriate medical certificate that has been issued under part 67 of this chapter, or other documentation acceptable to the Administrator, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft.

(2) A person is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (c)(1) of this section if that person --

...(vii) Is operating an aircraft with a U.S. pilot certificate, issued on the basis of a foreign pilot license, issued under § 61.75 of this part, and holds a current medical certificate issued by the foreign country that issued the foreign pilot license, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that airman certificate.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr61_00.html

[N Reg Aztec]

Airbubba,

One more relevant point in 61.3:

2) A person is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (c)(1) of this section if that person --

(vi) Is operating an aircraft within a foreign country using a pilot license issued by that country and possesses evidence of current medical qualification for that license; or

So, provided the flight is within UK airspace then it would appear that a UK license is sufficient.

What is the consensus on this relating to a JAR license - does a JAR license validate this exemption within all JAR airspace?

N Reg.

[Noax2grind2]

thanks to all of you for your help. My own enquiries to the FAA have indicated that they will issue a special PPL on the basis of, and according to the requirements of, my UK licence, to fly a private a/c. Since that would be my intention, albeit a rather large one! it should be ok. I have sought confirmation from the FAA and downloaded the appropriate forms.
Once again thanks.
p.s. Burger Thing, you clearly imply I`m not smart enough to hold an ATPL (for 27 years) but I am smart enough not to waste these good peoples time if I didnt need to! So why dont you go and be a jerk somewhere else!!

[Airbubba]

>>So, provided the flight is within UK airspace then it would appear that a UK license is sufficient.<<

No, I may have mislead you with my choice of excerpts. Paragraph (c)(1) refers to the medical certificate, not the license from what I can see in the original text.

[N Reg Aztec]

Airbubba,

Yes I think I followed your link and then quoted from the worng section . :O

However I think the priviledge still stands - here's the correct quote:

§ 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.

(a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of U.S. registry, unless that person --

(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used; and

What do you think?

N Reg.

[Victor Mike]

Was slightly surprised a few years ago when the FAA gave me a CPL on the basis of my UK ATPL -they put my 757 rating on it, but then endorsed the whole thing 'not for hire or reward'!! At least they didn't charge a penny for it, unlike our lot

[alexb757]

VM,

12 years ago I too, was issued a FAA CPL with 737 type rating/IR etc based on my then UK ATPL. And, it too had the words "restricted". Basically, it was a useless bit of paper. This is standard ICOA rules procedures. Of course, I was in the us to get my FAA ATP which I did. The former was done @ the local FAA FSDO.

Funny how these things work. I now have a full, unrestricted FAA ATP with 3 Boeing type ratings, a current IAA ATPL and a time expired UK CAA ATPL. Also, having a bit of bother trying to find out how I can get my "fourth" JAR ATPL without having to go through all the rigmarole not to mention more money to keep those boys/gals employed!!