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Old 18th Sep 2017, 07:15   #1 (permalink)
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Manchester-2

I had the misfortune use Manchester a couple of times recently, and not having passed through this airport for some time preferring to fly from elsewhere, I was absolutely appalled by my travel experience,both times through T1 which is bursting at the seams, cues for every eatery and bar no seating, but the British public will continue to book and cues will get longer as airlines continue to add new routes to an Airport which hasn't changed for 20yrs, I HAD to use this airport, but will think long and hard next time.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 08:15   #2 (permalink)
 
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"They might as well close 23L and turn that into a carpark as it hardly fulfills much of it's potential as second runway anyway".

No idea on the Manchester experience but like MAG'S other major offering STN. I assume it's functional.

My main point however is runways.I would ask somebody in Air traffic if they agree with the statement above ?

Given the eyewatering figures for a new runway at Heathrow I would say the cost of the second runway at Manchester was a bargain.

Brighter people than me will know the figures but I doubt Manchester could achieve 28m on a single runway operation due to the close proximity of the terminal.

In terms of cost be in no doubt it was a bargain if compared to a similar structure of
8,000,000,000 million at Heathrow.
I agree Navpi, 8 trillion is a bit much...
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 08:25   #3 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, tried to delete and made a mess of it. I see now that navpi also included the word million.

Apparently there is a long version of 8 billion which would include 12 'zeros' and a shorter version that would only be 9 'zeros'. That puzzles me, but hey ho.

As to the criticisms of MAN, I really do think it is down to personal experience. My own have been not too bad over the past 2 years but T1 worse than T2. Last arrival at T2 we were off the a/c, through Border Control and had collected cases in just under 15 minutes.

However, I really do feel MAG/MAN ought to be announcing some plans for T3 if there are any. If some airlines do move over in due course to the expanded T2, it will still leave Ryanair in T3 presumably (and flybe?), but that may be a few years off with conditions deteriorating further in the meantime.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 08:56   #4 (permalink)
 
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Apparently there is a long version of 8 billion which would include 12 'zeros' and a shorter version that would only be 9 'zeros'. That puzzles me, but hey ho. .
One web site explains that the old UK definition of a billion was a million million (12 zeros), whereas the US version is a thousand million (9 zeros). Now I've no idea whether this trivia is correct, but it could prove useful in trying to determine just how much is being spent on major infrastructure projects in a certain part of the country. No?

Meanwhile, how close will MAN get to 28 million passengers in 2017 (just 6 zeros).
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 09:33   #5 (permalink)
 
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Following last week's departure woes, last night's return was, on the whole, much more smooth (apart from the flight itself being late, again).

However, we were allocated stand 12 which meant the long walk down Pier B to Border Control and baggage reclaim. It got me thinking about the process for arrivals once the redevelopment of T2 is complete? Will pax arriving at Pier B have to walk all the way to T2?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 09:57   #6 (permalink)
 
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"They might as well close 23L and turn that into a carpark as it hardly fulfills much of it's potential as second runway anyway".

No idea on the Manchester experience but like MAG'S other major offering STN. I assume it's functional.

My main point however is runways.I would ask somebody in Air traffic if they agree with the statement above ?

Given the eyewatering figures for a new runway at Heathrow I would say the cost of the second runway at Manchester was a bargain.

Brighter people than me will know the figures but I doubt Manchester could achieve 28m on a single runway operation due to the close proximity of the terminal.

In terms of cost be in no doubt it was a bargain if compared to a similar structure of
8,000,000,000 million at Heathrow.
I was being a little bit tongue in cheek but 23L is no use as a landing runway nor 05R as a departure due to the lack of parallel taxi way.

When 23R/05L is closed at night we could not possibly use 05R in calm winds as it might upset the noise sensitive residents of Knutsford!

Much better to make every one hold whilst aircraft back track and wake up the 'lower quality' residents of Heald Green.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 10:13   #7 (permalink)
 
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Quick question - upon arrival in Manc T2, is it possible to get into the airside bars in the departure area, possibly by following the transfer signs, if you aren't doing a transfer? I have a short window to meet with someone for a pint next week and we would be more relaxed if she'd cleared security first
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Trillion (short scale) (1,000,000,000,000; one million million; 1012; SI prefix: tera-), the current meaning in both American and British English
Trillion (long scale) (1,000,000,000,000,000,000; one million million

million; 1018; SI prefix: exa-), the former meaning in British English and current usage in many non-English-speaking countries

Usually a "million" is added at the end ?
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Trillion (short scale) (1,000,000,000,000; one million million; 1012; SI prefix: tera-), the current meaning in both American and British English
Trillion (long scale) (1,000,000,000,000,000,000; one million million

million; 1018; SI prefix: exa-), the former meaning in British English and current usage in many non-English-speaking countries

Usually a "million" is added at the end ?
No, not if you don't want to confuse the situation...
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 19:18   #10 (permalink)
 
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They could always use the correct word for 1,000million which is a Milliard!!
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Not so much a view, as actual experience. I guess if you're only using T3 five times a year at the same times, then you probably haven't got the true nature of this "facility"
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With easyjet now having released its early summer schedule has anyone done the analysis of how many based aircraft will be required?
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It looks like 12 based still, but will try and have a look later.

Routes/Frequencies pe:

ALC: 9
AMS: 21
AYT: 2
ATH: 4
BSL: 7
BFS: 16
SXF: 13
BIO: 6
CPH: 11
CFU: 5
BIA: 1
HER: 4
PFO: 7
DLM: 5
DBV: 2
GVA: 14
GIB: 3
GRX: 2
HAM: 6 (back to normal after capacity slug out with RYR/EW)
EFL: 2
KRK: 3
FNC: 2
PMI: 7
AGP: 7
MLA: 7
RAK: 2
MRS: 2
MXP: 7
MUC: 5
JMK: 2
CDG: 9
PSA: 3
OPO: 3
PRG: 6
PVK: 2
KEF: 2
JTR: 3
OLB: 3
CTA: 4
SOF: 3
SPU: 3
TLV: 2
TFS: 5
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 13:46   #14 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for that. Those weekly frequencies add up to 243 flights if my maths is correct. Not sure how that compares with April-June 2017.
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Interesting to note that EGCC has just won a TTG award for the 'Best U.K. Airport'......Especially considering some of the recent comments on 'Manchester 1'.

Good to have a new discussion forum though.
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Just checked Easyjet and it requires 12 based every morning. Not sure about afternoons as its always more difficult to work out.
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Interesting to note that EGCC has just won a TTG award for the 'Best U.K. Airport'......Especially considering some of the recent comments on 'Manchester 1'.

Good to have a new discussion forum though.

The vastly contrasting accounts and opinions of the MAN experience (and other airports) shows how much it can be down to individual user travel patterns - when and where you go to and through can have a marked influence on your experience of the service and facilities.

The myriad of travel industry journal awards in the UK rather undermines the value of any of them. No doubt the booze up in tuxedo and party dress makes it worthwhile for those involved.

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It's like 'the music business', roverman........Too many meaningless award ceremonies, and a lack of quality in 'The marketplace'.......Wherever that is.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 20:02   #19 (permalink)
 
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Ever heard the phrase 'vanity award'?

http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wi...usiness_awards

I'm not saying this is one but I doubt any of the voters have endured non business class, no lounge and the massive border control queue to get back into Blighty (not sure how they can dodge the latter) but MAN is not a great customer experience.
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Royal Air Maroc increasing Casablanca-Manchester to 4 weekly with a new Friday flight starting 30th March.
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