Aer Lingus Regional

[IslandPilot]

Quote from Mikkie 4
any idea when tickets go on sale for the SEN/DUB/USA route,have tried end of may but can only get as far as dublin


Possible reason for being unable to book SEN-DUB-USA is that it would incur the iniquitous UK APD Tax. Treated as two separate bookings you only incur the 3 euro Irish APD on the DUB-USA leg and have the advantage of pre-clearance in to the USA at DUB.

[Jamie2k9]

They should be added over the next few days.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by IslandPilot

Possible reason for being unable to book SEN-DUB-USA is that it would incur the iniquitous UK APD Tax. Treated as two separate bookings you only incur the 3 euro Irish APD on the DUB-USA leg and have the advantage of pre-clearance in to the USA at DUB.

With respect, that's not a reason for being unable to book, it's perhaps a reason for choosing to book separate tickets rather than a through ticket (*). Aer Lingus promotes through connections between all their other UK destinations and the US, so there's no reason to expect that this will not be the case here - as Jamie2k9 says, the connecting fares are likely to be loaded over the coming days.

(*) knowing of course that by doing so, one is taking the missed-connection risk.

[IslandPilot]

Cyrano,

Yes, I agree there is a risk in booking 2 separate tickets, it's all about timing, but the saving in UK APD will pay for a night in Bewleys and in the case of a family there should be a big saving

[mart901]

Winter flights now loaded on SEN-DUB, still no USA flights.

Can anyone shine any light on the mysterious gap in service on the BHX- SNN yet? My thoughts are it was earmarked for WAT judging by the timings and flybe have put a spanner in the works.

[Airbus321-200]

It might go SNN-BHX-ORK-BHX-SNN etc.

[revo]

EI BHX

It was originally planned to do Knock in the gap but as baby has increased their service I guess other possibilities are being looked at

Revo

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Its expected that current RE routes will be under EI from 28 October (start of winter schedule)

[RE-tard]

Expect it sooner than that...

[MarkD]

Bearcat does 109 get precleared? I thought USCBP were shut by then - might not be as attractive as the early service.

Any likelihood of an SNN-SEN-SNN rotation to feed 111/135 (flights arr SNN 0600 / dep SNN 1240)? Not as attractive as DUB given the 4w/3w split between JFK/BOS but might give the ability to route SEN-US pax via SNN one way or the other if the US-DUB or DUB-US services happened to be busy and thus cheaper seats no longer available.

[Steviec9]

A SNN rotation would also soak up demand for flights to the mid-west region from London and, possibly, replace the GWY run if RE are circumspect about returning there. The ATR is the perfect size for this, if a bit slow....

Might even be possible to route SEN-DUB-SNN-DUB-SEN. Kills four birds with one stone -

(1) US connections from SEN via DUB
(2) or via SNN if DUB too full etc
(3) brings back connections from SNN to rest of EI network via DUB. Plenty of people I know would rather drive to SNN, park there and check-in through to final destination rather than drive to DUB and pay exorbitant parking fees.
(4) new link to mid-west for UK/Irish pax.

[mart901]

I wonder how RE will work the crewing for SEN? Will it involve nightstopping or people being re-located, or brand new crew I wonder?

[Bearcat]

Mark d, in answer does the 109 get precleared.......your spot on....it doesn't. Having said that delays are minimal for pax clearing immigration at JFK at it sched arrival time in my experience.

[Expressflight]

I'm surprised there is such a delay in getting the US destinations from SEN into the reservation system on the EI website. Surely they would want to attract early transatlantic bookings while the story is still big news in Essex.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Expressflight

I'm surprised there is such a delay in getting the US destinations from SEN into the reservation system on the EI website. Surely they would want to attract early transatlantic bookings while the story is still big news in Essex.

I agree. This is 100% speculation on my part, but... the rumour had originally been that the DUB-SEN announcement would coincide with Aer Arann announcing that henceforth all their flying would be under the Aer Lingus branding. That latter part hasn't happened yet (but is perhaps imminent) which makes me think that some details are still being negotiated. Could the prorates on connecting transatlantic fares be part of that negotiation?

[Barling Magna]

In which case London Southend's TV adverts have jumped the gun....

London Southend Airport Television Advertisement March 2012 'Let's Take It Nice And Easy.' - YouTube

[MarkD]

I think the EU should do something about UKAPD. If you want to charge by distance fine, but only on the flight actually to/from your airport (let's be generous and include direct but stopping service). There are surely free market implications to UK imposing the same costs on third countries airport passengers when landing at the intermediate airport and transferring to a new flight even if purchased in a single transaction.

[dublinaviator]

Originally Posted by MarkD

I think the EU should do something about UKAPD. If you want to charge by distance fine, but only on the flight actually to/from your airport (let's be generous and include direct but stopping service). There are surely free market implications to UK imposing the same costs on third countries airport passengers when landing at the intermediate airport and transferring to a new flight even if purchased in a single transaction.

Given that the EU are imposing emission trading schemes on the aviation sector, they wouldn't really be in any position to dictate to the UK that it can't impose an APD, especially when several EU countries including Germany have similar taxes.

[MarkD]

I don't disagree but the UK's is way out of step - harmonisation should be a priority so passengers heading to the EU have a variety of hubs to choose from.

[dublinaviator]

You already have hubs to choose from though. You can fly via London and pay stupidly high APD, or you can fly via Dublin and only pay a €3 departure tax.