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Old 29th Sep 2007, 01:55   #221 (permalink)
 
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Obviously taking lessons from the Americans, sue the deepest pockets. I wonder if his lawyers are good enough to pin it on Boeing who didn't even design the aircraft in the first place.

Imagine if every accident involving an ageing aircraft flown by a dodgy third world operator got blamed on its manufacturer.

This sort of nonsense caused Cessna to stop producing singles for a while, and a considerable portion of their purchase price is product liability insurance.

Wonder if we'll see the same pathetic stampede of ambulance chasing lawyers that was seen after the Bhopal disaster.
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 06:06   #222 (permalink)


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good move

It is good to know that someone filed a lawsuit against any of the involved parties - they also sue One-Two-Go. Otherwise we will never know about the real cause of the crash. Don't forget, officials here like to cover up unpleasant information. In the case of the OX crash here, we also need to understand that the General Director of the Civil Aviation Department is sitting in the Board of AOT and AeroThai. And to make the matter even worse, he is a close friend of Khun Udom. We can be sure that they will do everything possible to blame others.
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 06:42   #223 (permalink)
 
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Sueing seals document trail

Boeing now owns M.D. , correct?
One thing about suing deep is it tends to help seal the trail of documents as evidence, an airline executive could be held accountable for missing paperwork in a criminal manner.
Withheld info is also now a criminal act .
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 08:23   #224 (permalink)
 
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One thing about suing deep is it tends to help seal the trail of documents as evidence, an airline executive could be held accountable for missing paperwork in a criminal manner.
A lawsuit has multiple purposes. For one documents are treated as evidence, but a lawsuit also leads to less information presented to the public and organisations involved refusing to give hints on why it go so terribly wrong - they could be sued themselves.

I think there is a very good reason, why ICAO Annex 13 is not about issuing blame, but about identification of the causes.

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Withheld info is also now a criminal act .
Only as long as you are not an accused party in this case - which are now most of the "main players".
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 08:39   #225 (permalink)
 
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It is good to know that someone filed a lawsuit against any of the involved parties - they also sue One-Two-Go. Otherwise we will never know about the real cause of the crash.
No, it is a Bad Thing.

With court proceedings looming, people will usually shut up about what they know, in order not to incriminate themselves, which is their right if they have been charged or accused.

Trials are always impeding factual and causal investigations, be they criminal or civil.

The manufacturer and the operator of the aircraft, along with airport operators, are the most knowledgeable about procedures and conditions, and court proceedings effectively shut down that source of information. We may now never find out what really happened, and thus be robbed of the chance of learning from this accident to make the future of aviation even safer.

Please see the Joint Resolution by various organisations involved with flight safety for a concise summary of the arguments.


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Old 29th Sep 2007, 13:17   #226 (permalink)
 
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I do not give a shit where you are from whether you are white, black, pink or yellow. As long as you see professionalism in attitude and outlook. Tell me why the crash happened in Malaysia where he prayed for 6 seconds believing this was his God's will before killing everybody.
Baccara Bar, can you tell me when & where this crash happened in Malaysia?Hope you don't get your facts mixed up ......
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 13:28   #227 (permalink)
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EY777, probably too young to know about the following:
4 Dec 1977; 9M-MBD, 737-200 Adv, 20585/306, Del 21/9/72, Malaysian Airline System; near Johore Strait, Malaysia:
The flight was approaching Kuala Lumpur when the pilot radioed that a hijacker had taken control of the aircraft. The aircraft continued to Singapore. While descending from FL210 to FL070 the nose suddenly pitched up. Control was lost and the aircraft crashed into a swamp and disintegrated.
All seven crew members and 93 passengers were killed. Both pilots had been shot.
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 13:50   #228 (permalink)
 
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Hot Dog, am familiar with that accident.But again, some of the posters here are like Journo's with the tagline "Don't let the facts get to a good story"

I quote Baccara Bar again with the text being in contention :

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Tell me why the crash happened in Malaysia where he prayed for 6 seconds believing this was his God's will before killing everybody.
The prayers recorded on the CVR wasn't from both pilots, who by that time were shot dead prior to the ill fated plunge.So again, I repeat my question, which crash & what relation it had to the Orient Thai crash in Phuket?

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Old 29th Sep 2007, 18:20   #229 (permalink)
 
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20 pictures posted on a Thai Google group (pt. 1)

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index....post&p=1564256
http://groups.google.co.th/group/12g...c484602ba0f540









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Old 29th Sep 2007, 18:22   #230 (permalink)
 
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20 pictures posted on a Thai Google group (pt. 2)

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index....post&p=1564256
http://groups.google.co.th/group/12g...f767f740b6327c









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Old 30th Sep 2007, 15:31   #231 (permalink)
 
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Face thing and three the Hierachal System where a Captain will not listen to a F/O. Have a look at the accident Garuda had in a B737 recently where the skipper was a fruitcake.
Oh that guy's a fruitcake? What's next? the current captain being branded a fruitcake too? And then slap all the F/Os as lamers? Bloody hell! Where on earth did you get that?

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The prayers recorded on the CVR wasn't from both pilots, who by that time were shot dead prior to the ill fated plunge.So again, I repeat my question, which crash & what relation it had to the Orient Thai crash in Phuket?
He probably wants to play the religion card ! *yawn*

Attention all left seaters... if you get involved in an accident where it is not a mechanical failure, and you died, someone will brand you a fruitcake.*

Attention all right seaters... if you get involved in an accident where it is not a mechanical failure, and you died, someone will brand you a fruitcake.*

(*)Whether the above statement applies to Asia only or worldwide please inquire Baccara Bar.

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Old 30th Sep 2007, 19:19   #232 (permalink)
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Our Respected Pilot Gossips

Just above: "... if you get involved in an accident ... someone will brand you a fruitcake ..."

That's always been the case: and our fellow pilots are our worst enemy.

This began before the rumors about the Captain in the mysterious inflight upset aboard SilkAir 19Dec97.

Our fellow pilots, and the Manufacturer, could take Captain Jesus Christ, and prove to the Board that he was suicidal.

For readers who might find this an overstatement, just think back to other mysterious inflight upsets during the '50's, '60's, and '70's: In North America the rumor of the suicidal co-pilot was a recurring theme (oh, he was strange!), and the Crash Axe, and rumors that the pilots deeply desired to deploy Flaps while at CRZ FL390.
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Old 30th Sep 2007, 22:17   #233 (permalink)
 
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I worked for OX in 2006. I left this operator because of it's appalling disregard for safety and regulations. I warned the OX administrators, in writing, of their unacceptable standards. No one replied or acknowledged my warnings. This accident was simply looking for a place to happen. Anyone connected to professional aviation in Thailand will acknowledge that Orient Thai- One Two Go is dangerous. I have kept emails, letters etc that would prove that someone was trying to raise attention. Anyone connected with the families affected by this senseless accident reading this post are welcome to contact me via PM.I will supply all the info in my possession. I simply hope OX' management will be jailed, they are criminals.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 09:23   #234 (permalink)
 
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Can I suggest you read this:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_....php?id=122127
and this:
http://ribbeckandkelly.com/manuelribbecktwo.html
and then contact the lawyers: http://ribbeckandkelly.com/
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 10:07   #235 (permalink)
 
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http://ribbeckandkelly.com/manuelribbecktwo.html
... Just read that link and my word - that appears to me as a pretty nebulous article given their so-called aviation expertise.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 10:24   #236 (permalink)
 
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From the above link - "
He said the very same plane had figured in an incident in Nashville, Tennessee on June 18, 1987, where it nearly collided with another plane (Nothing to do with the Phuket crash) as both were taking off. “It is a known fact that Boeing 737s have defective design in the rudder system,” Ribbeck said, adding that several of the 3,000 manufactured have already figured in as many crashes."

Can someone explain that to me please? Is it 3000 in 3000 crashes? Or "several......in as many crashes"? If you substitute '5' for 'several' and also for 'as many', it would read '5 of the 3000 manufactured have already featured in 5 crashes'.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 11:23   #237 (permalink)
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where it nearly collided with another plane (Nothing to do with the Phuket crash) as both were taking off.
Typical American ambulance chasing shyster calling himself an aviation expert lawyer. So according to him, the age of the airplane had a great bearing on the runway incursion due to pilot or ATC error. One 2 GO's questionable maintenance practices it seems, had nought to do with the Phuket accident.

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 11:28   #238 (permalink)
 
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One would think that if you were going to put out a press release, that you would at least proof read the thing.

Many Third World Planes Are Junks, US lawyer says
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 14:57   #239 (permalink)
 
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Careful, I'll bet many a passenger flying into Kai Tak wished their plane was a Junk.

That US lawyer is suing Boeing for the accident. If you want someone who will sue the operator, I suggest you look elsewhere.
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Survival aspects.

A thought on seeing the pictures with survivors.

Just looking at it from a survival-technical viewpoint: I think this summers' flip-flop slipper fashion was an unfortunate one. I would not like to have walked through the crash rubble barefoot.
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