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Old 28th Jul 2013, 10:13   #441 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by blaggerman
Also, as the relentless Middle East monsters continue to gobble long haul traffic from the UK and Ireland they will take transit traffic from those Amsterdam and Dublin numbers.
I suppose it should also be noted that AMS and DUB are huge destinations from the UK in their own right, and not merely as transit points. Dubai's stature as a destination has grown recently, but even so the city itself is not the massive draw that Amsterdam and Dublin are for UK travellers. Airlines like TK, QR, EY and others will indeed be looking to draw an increased share of long haul traffic from the UK too, and potentially from EK.

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 13:13   #442 (permalink)
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Bartek, amazing stats. The UK government and BA should observe the scale of AMS and what KLM have achieved. Should help them put in perspective the risks associated with LHR standing still. Equally to BA et al reference to keeping domestic flying a focus.

If we knew the proportion of those pax on AMS connecting at AMS would be possible to put metric opposite the value of such business if LHR were to capture some of it in future.

Based on knowing the level of connecting pax it might mean that DUB could be the largest destination when transfer pax are stripped out?

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 16:19   #443 (permalink)
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The connecting traffic at DUB will be nothing compared to AMS. At most 10% would connect at DUB but I expect its below this and closer to 5 or 6%. Would imagine connections from the UK via AMS would be 40 or 50%.

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Old 28th Jul 2013, 17:54   #444 (permalink)
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Would the DUB transfer percentage not be higher as it would include ex Dub pax connecting at LHR with EI & BA?
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Old 30th Jul 2013, 02:36   #445 (permalink)
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I dont think we will be seeing Emirates at either BRS or LBA considering their runways lengths just take into account the issue with PK at LBA concerning 777 ops and Thomson with their 767s and 787s at BRS plus EK wont have any 330s in the fleet soon so no suitable aircraft anyway for either of those airports.

Even if a 777 could be operated out of either BRS and LBA without any penalties I still think it would too large an aircraft and would be over kill for the routes.

STN is my bet on the next Emirates UK airport and even more so now MAG is involved it surely has to be announced within the year even if it is cargo ops to start with but it will happen one day.

It has the potential catchment area as we all know of North and East London, the East Midlands and the whole of the Anglia region and especially the Essex crowd so it is only obvious that EK will eventually fly from the three main London airports at some point.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 11:58   #446 (permalink)
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Emirates to introduce a 2nd daily Dubai - Amsterdam flight operating on a Boeing 777-200LR aircraft - Read on another forum
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Old 4th Aug 2013, 07:29   #447 (permalink)
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Emirates to introduce a 2nd daily Dubai - Amsterdam flight operating on a Boeing 777-200LR aircraft - Read on another forum
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Old 4th Aug 2013, 07:57   #448 (permalink)
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the real point is that Emirates are steadily increasing their services into UK regional airports whereas BA are cutting back

Apart from LHR any of the airports currently served by Emirates can take another service per day or they can just up the size of the aircraft - at LHR it just means more A380's

I guess most interlining traffic at Amsterdam is Europe/N African bound, Paris Africa , Madrid, S America whilst Dubai is steadliy becoming the main choice if you are heading into Asia & the Middle East
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 07:33   #449 (permalink)
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 09:44   #452 (permalink)
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Yes BHX could take a 3rd service the load factors on the 2 at present are now consistently over 82%.

However it may get an A380 before then, although that would hit cargo.

Of course if another carrier started from BHX (Qatar said they want to fly from BHX) then could scupper any EK increase although another carrier would be prefereable.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 10:32   #453 (permalink)
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When Qatar and Etihad came to Manchester it actually made Emirates grow faster as they competed
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 10:35   #454 (permalink)
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At GLA Mid 80's LF on double daily with First Class versus mid 60's on once daily 2 class at NCL, one presumes any further northern regional expansion will be at GLA ? Not sure if they'd go A380 / 2 class 777 or add a third frequency. An Emirates lounge is currently being built at GLA.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 13:49   #455 (permalink)
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For the hub-and-spoke operation Emirates has it makes sense to fly with bigger planes on the high-demand routes. Add slot restrictions at major destinations and growing by flying bigger planes becomes the easiest solution.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 15:03   #456 (permalink)
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Yes noticed that Qatar Etihad and Emirates were all up again out of MAN last month.

Think we still have a shout at getting Qatar next year at BHX, to give EK some more competition.
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 15:13   #457 (permalink)
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Think nearly all of EK current A380s and the newly ordered ones are leased. So its more a headache for the leasing company, Doric.

In 10 years their will probably be an A380 NEO with new engines so as EK only want to keep the current ones 12 years who would be interested in the older less efficient model..might have to start scrapping them !
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 15:23   #458 (permalink)
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Yes, I'm sure Doric will have a headache from all the $$$$ they'll be collecting from the maintenance reserves/rent from all those A380s!
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Old 17th Nov 2013, 16:31   #459 (permalink)
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You miss my point, that being it will be up to Doric to find homes for a large number of older A380s, who will want them ?
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Ryanair to take them

Ryanair may take then

How many could he fit into them.
Problem is not many airports Ryanair fly Into could handle the aircraft
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