Why so few airlines to NUE ?
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Why so few airlines to NUE ?
I'm just wondering why a region like Nuremberg ( airport has 3,7 M Passengers ) does not attract more airlinks ?
Other than the daily Air Berlin Flight to Standsted no other airline connects the UK to northern Bavaria. Many export-oriented companies have HQ or facilities in the region. Specially Manchester does not have any direct link to the region.
Are any airline-staff involved in route-planning available for comments?
Thanks in advance
PS :I used to live in NUE but live now in the region of Montpellier
Other than the daily Air Berlin Flight to Standsted no other airline connects the UK to northern Bavaria. Many export-oriented companies have HQ or facilities in the region. Specially Manchester does not have any direct link to the region.
Are any airline-staff involved in route-planning available for comments?
Thanks in advance
PS :I used to live in NUE but live now in the region of Montpellier
NUE must be the most important city / region in Germany not to be connected to either MAN or BHX.
I travel pretty well monthly to our head office in Nürnberg, and presently use AB out of STN and cannot wait for an alterantive to the trek down the A14 and M11.
I don't think it will be too long before AB starts serving MAN from NUE - but the their traffic base does seem to be very leisure orientated, and a lot depends on getting Germans, to visit areas in the UK other than London. As for getting Brits to visit Frankenland, thats going to be even more difficult. On the whole we British just don't "do" Germany (except for Christkindl and the Bierfest).
I travel pretty well monthly to our head office in Nürnberg, and presently use AB out of STN and cannot wait for an alterantive to the trek down the A14 and M11.
I don't think it will be too long before AB starts serving MAN from NUE - but the their traffic base does seem to be very leisure orientated, and a lot depends on getting Germans, to visit areas in the UK other than London. As for getting Brits to visit Frankenland, thats going to be even more difficult. On the whole we British just don't "do" Germany (except for Christkindl and the Bierfest).
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NUE must be the most important city / region in Germany not to be connected to either MAN or BHX.
How about the lack of BHX to BER direct? No more from baby on this....
As for getting Brits to visit Frankenland, thats going to be even more difficult. On the whole we British just don't "do" Germany (except for Christkindl and the Bierfest).
I think the likes of EZ are bringing plenty of people in through SXF, and Germany is surprisingly high on the list of top tourist countries. CGN also has numerous links, and HLX are opening up more routes to/from EDI, NCL etc this year.
When in Berlin last October, I had several people responding with "wadduyamean mate" when I asked them "sprechen Sie Englisch"! BTW, Google's language tool has English > German as top of its list, not Spanish or French.
How about the lack of BHX to BER direct? No more from baby on this....
As for getting Brits to visit Frankenland, thats going to be even more difficult. On the whole we British just don't "do" Germany (except for Christkindl and the Bierfest).
I think the likes of EZ are bringing plenty of people in through SXF, and Germany is surprisingly high on the list of top tourist countries. CGN also has numerous links, and HLX are opening up more routes to/from EDI, NCL etc this year.
When in Berlin last October, I had several people responding with "wadduyamean mate" when I asked them "sprechen Sie Englisch"! BTW, Google's language tool has English > German as top of its list, not Spanish or French.
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"On the whole we British just don't "do" Germany (except for Christkindl and the Bierfest)."
Well it's a pity that the British don't do Germany since the germans "do Britain" quite a lot ( even other places than London )- hence the big success of Lowcost flights into the UK.
It's maybe a lousy job by the regional tourist-boards that sell their respective regions not very professionally..
Well it's a pity that the British don't do Germany since the germans "do Britain" quite a lot ( even other places than London )- hence the big success of Lowcost flights into the UK.
It's maybe a lousy job by the regional tourist-boards that sell their respective regions not very professionally..
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Berlin seems to be pretty popular with Britons if the loads on the low cost airlines are a guide.
Having visited Berlin last summer (thanks to the Orange airline) I am not surprised, and I heard plenty of British accents in the city.
Having visited Berlin last summer (thanks to the Orange airline) I am not surprised, and I heard plenty of British accents in the city.
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You raise a good point in this thread. A prominent German politician recently commented that it is a pity that the British have such a negative view of Germany, and that if you want to know how to do the Prussian goosestep you should watch the BBC. The gentleman speaks harshly but is not completely wrong. The truth is that in the absence of positive messages from the German Government and it's tourism representatives, the void will be filled by historical prejudices, wayward stereotypes (enter beachtowels, deck-chairs etc.), and the nasty tabloid bile pumped out in BOTH countries' media whenever there is an England v Germany soccer match.
I am sure that PPRUNE readers - who are considerably better travelled than most - are fully aware that Germany is a fantastic destination for leisure travel. But the general public just don't know what Germany has to offer. People know what to expect when they visit Paris, Prague, Barcelona or Venice - they have been marketed well by their respective national tourist offices. But Berlin? Munchen? Koln? Their attractions - which are a match for the aforementioned - are scarcely recognised by the British public. Rural areas are a complete unknown quantity. And worst of all is the perception of the people; Brits expect to feel unwelcome and disliked in Germany and are reluctant to visit for this reason. The truth is of course in total contrast to this image. The people are very friendly and genuinely pleased to welcome UK tourists; accommodation standards are outstanding, and even if one's language skills are limited all establishments I have visited react very good-naturedly to communication by sign-language!
Yes, many Britons 'don't do Germany.' And the politician [Foreign Minister?] was partly right to blame the British media for for reinforcing negative sentiments. But I would challenge him and his government to accept a large amount of blame which should be laid squarely at their door. The festering newspaper prejudices fill a void only because there is an absence of real information about what Germany has to offer. When did you last see a poster advertising a German city break? When did you last see a TV commercial highlighting the Rhine Valley or the 'Romantik Road'? When did you last see an image of Schloss Neuschwanstein (did I hear a "What's that?"), Koln Dom or the Brandenburg Gate in an advert? Actually, it would be interesting to know if any you London-area residents have, because there is certainly no advertising around Manchester. I am sure that the German Tourist Office does the best it can on a pitiful budget, but it's message is certainly not getting across. The esteemed German politician is exactly the man who can rectify the 'knowledge void' by financing a major advertising campaign to promote both the many positives the country has to offer as a tourist destination, and the friendly welcome that visitors can expect there. What about the village 'Gasthofs' scattered around Germany; these are fantastic places to stay, some real gems. I haven't encountered an unfriendly one yet (and the home-cooking is invariably top notch). These should be marketed with the same gusto as 'Paradores' or 'Gites' or Irish 'B&B's'. Instead, few Brits would even know that they exist. Britons 'don't do Germany' because the politicians there will not fund advertising to stimulate a desire to visit amongst those who would appreciate doing so.
Most advertising for Germany which I do see is financed by private companies. DER advertise in the print media. Airlines do their bit too. Hapag-Lloyd Express advertise on price - quite understandably - promoting £12.99 flights to Koln or Stuttgart "for the price of a taxi." Lufthansa opt for business-types reclining in spacious seats. Air Berlin advertising is widespread but a bit too obscure, featuring women contortionists in unusual gymnastic poses! In my own opinion, this type of brand-building exercise may be appropriate for the German domestic market but it is a missed opportunity around Manchester. The Air Berlin adverts in Manchester Piccadilly station would be understood by the British passer-by to promote a company which flies to BERLIN. Well they do ... but the Hamburg, Paderborn and Dusseldorf routes will not gain awareness from generic advertising like this. The destinations served are not mentioned in Air Berlin's ads. But the best thing that could happen for all these companies is for Germany to fund an educational advertising campaign by it's National Tourist Office to show what these destinations are actually like! There's more than bier over there!
I myself will be visiting Germany again this Summer. The product is great, the air-fares with Air Berlin and HLX are the best bargains in Europe and a (four days in one month) 'go-anywhere' railpass comes in at £148.32 (Eurodomino - not the one marketed in the USA). But it will be a long time until cities such as Nurnberg fulfil their true tourist potential unless the German Government starts to fund it's National Tourist Office sufficiently to do it's job.
Sorry for going on a bit! I just hate seeing empty seats on aeroplanes which should and could easily be filled!
All the best. SHED.
P.S. I'm not even sure that the German tourist trade itself fully recognises what the country has to offer. I was amused to find a large postcard on sale depicting 'Germany's top 10 attractions.' All 10 were man-made structures! No Bavarian Alps, no Black Forest, no Rhine Valley ...
I am sure that PPRUNE readers - who are considerably better travelled than most - are fully aware that Germany is a fantastic destination for leisure travel. But the general public just don't know what Germany has to offer. People know what to expect when they visit Paris, Prague, Barcelona or Venice - they have been marketed well by their respective national tourist offices. But Berlin? Munchen? Koln? Their attractions - which are a match for the aforementioned - are scarcely recognised by the British public. Rural areas are a complete unknown quantity. And worst of all is the perception of the people; Brits expect to feel unwelcome and disliked in Germany and are reluctant to visit for this reason. The truth is of course in total contrast to this image. The people are very friendly and genuinely pleased to welcome UK tourists; accommodation standards are outstanding, and even if one's language skills are limited all establishments I have visited react very good-naturedly to communication by sign-language!
Yes, many Britons 'don't do Germany.' And the politician [Foreign Minister?] was partly right to blame the British media for for reinforcing negative sentiments. But I would challenge him and his government to accept a large amount of blame which should be laid squarely at their door. The festering newspaper prejudices fill a void only because there is an absence of real information about what Germany has to offer. When did you last see a poster advertising a German city break? When did you last see a TV commercial highlighting the Rhine Valley or the 'Romantik Road'? When did you last see an image of Schloss Neuschwanstein (did I hear a "What's that?"), Koln Dom or the Brandenburg Gate in an advert? Actually, it would be interesting to know if any you London-area residents have, because there is certainly no advertising around Manchester. I am sure that the German Tourist Office does the best it can on a pitiful budget, but it's message is certainly not getting across. The esteemed German politician is exactly the man who can rectify the 'knowledge void' by financing a major advertising campaign to promote both the many positives the country has to offer as a tourist destination, and the friendly welcome that visitors can expect there. What about the village 'Gasthofs' scattered around Germany; these are fantastic places to stay, some real gems. I haven't encountered an unfriendly one yet (and the home-cooking is invariably top notch). These should be marketed with the same gusto as 'Paradores' or 'Gites' or Irish 'B&B's'. Instead, few Brits would even know that they exist. Britons 'don't do Germany' because the politicians there will not fund advertising to stimulate a desire to visit amongst those who would appreciate doing so.
Most advertising for Germany which I do see is financed by private companies. DER advertise in the print media. Airlines do their bit too. Hapag-Lloyd Express advertise on price - quite understandably - promoting £12.99 flights to Koln or Stuttgart "for the price of a taxi." Lufthansa opt for business-types reclining in spacious seats. Air Berlin advertising is widespread but a bit too obscure, featuring women contortionists in unusual gymnastic poses! In my own opinion, this type of brand-building exercise may be appropriate for the German domestic market but it is a missed opportunity around Manchester. The Air Berlin adverts in Manchester Piccadilly station would be understood by the British passer-by to promote a company which flies to BERLIN. Well they do ... but the Hamburg, Paderborn and Dusseldorf routes will not gain awareness from generic advertising like this. The destinations served are not mentioned in Air Berlin's ads. But the best thing that could happen for all these companies is for Germany to fund an educational advertising campaign by it's National Tourist Office to show what these destinations are actually like! There's more than bier over there!
I myself will be visiting Germany again this Summer. The product is great, the air-fares with Air Berlin and HLX are the best bargains in Europe and a (four days in one month) 'go-anywhere' railpass comes in at £148.32 (Eurodomino - not the one marketed in the USA). But it will be a long time until cities such as Nurnberg fulfil their true tourist potential unless the German Government starts to fund it's National Tourist Office sufficiently to do it's job.
Sorry for going on a bit! I just hate seeing empty seats on aeroplanes which should and could easily be filled!
All the best. SHED.
P.S. I'm not even sure that the German tourist trade itself fully recognises what the country has to offer. I was amused to find a large postcard on sale depicting 'Germany's top 10 attractions.' All 10 were man-made structures! No Bavarian Alps, no Black Forest, no Rhine Valley ...
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Interesting post - thanks - I also think the main fault is not the absense of attractions in Germany but the unwillingness to jump over entrenched ways of "marketing" in behalf of the german tourist-boards.
From a financial point Germany is certainly interesting ( much cheaper as France,Italy,Austria or even Portugal )
History might play a little role as well,since traditionally germans are and were reluctant to overemphasize their country abroad for well known reasons.But I can assure all Britons that Nuremberg is defenitely worth a visit !!!!
From a financial point Germany is certainly interesting ( much cheaper as France,Italy,Austria or even Portugal )
History might play a little role as well,since traditionally germans are and were reluctant to overemphasize their country abroad for well known reasons.But I can assure all Britons that Nuremberg is defenitely worth a visit !!!!
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Well done, Shed on a Pole, a finely presented piece of writing. The German tourist marketing organisations should get you on board straight away.
I have visited both Koln and Berlin and they are both super places to visit. If one did nothing else other than make the long climb up the Dom and watch the barges go up and down the Rhine it would be time well spent. Bonn was a treat too.
Well, this summer Cork people will get an opportunity to get to Germany again for the first time in many years with a new x3/7 EI flight to Munich which will surely do very well and will hopefully lead to even more flights to Germany in the years to come.
I have visited both Koln and Berlin and they are both super places to visit. If one did nothing else other than make the long climb up the Dom and watch the barges go up and down the Rhine it would be time well spent. Bonn was a treat too.
Well, this summer Cork people will get an opportunity to get to Germany again for the first time in many years with a new x3/7 EI flight to Munich which will surely do very well and will hopefully lead to even more flights to Germany in the years to come.
