Quebec C152 spin on take off
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Quebec C152 spin on take off
Fortunately student pilot survived . Lot to learn on this perfect spin entry,
https://globalnews.ca/video/9869821/...-pilot-injured
https://globalnews.ca/video/9869821/...-pilot-injured
Last edited by Pilot DAR; 2nd Aug 2023 at 10:55. Reason: correcting airplane type
Seat sliding back?
“… taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries. “
Very lucky!
Very lucky!
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Every Cessna I’ve flown in the last forty years has had a pin in the pilot’s seat track, preventing the seat from moving too far back.
Hard to tell depth perspective from the video but maybe a little too eager to avoid the trees at the end?
Instructors worst nightmare witnessing this.
Knock on wood never had a student prang one on my watch.
*Shivers*
Instructors worst nightmare witnessing this.
Knock on wood never had a student prang one on my watch.
*Shivers*
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Yup it's a 152. Lot of flap I think, go around or a truly enormous bounce?
I've been looking at the video and the airport image and I don't see how he should have gotten near any trees at all. There is a sign 06-24 in the foreground and what looks like a gate #34 painted on the pavement indicating he was nearly perpendicular to 06-24 crossing at 2000 feet or so from the nearest end. The ends of all the runways are completely clear of trees. The gate indicator is odd - the Google Maps image shows them clearly triangular, but in the video it looks rectangular. The map data says it's from 2023, but there is a lot of construction going on.
There's no chance he tried to take off from the 06-24 taxiway, right?
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7943...!1e3?entry=ttu
There's no chance he tried to take off from the 06-24 taxiway, right?
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.7943...!1e3?entry=ttu
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Probably not anywhere near trees, camera foreshortening?
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I have corrected the airplane type in the title, it was either a 150 or a 152.
The seat will not slide far enough back in a 150/152 to get the pilot out of reach of the controls (other than a shorter pilot might not reach the pedals fully). The 150 series were not affected by the AD for secondary seat restrictors. The flap setting looks acceptable (not fully extended). The airplane rolled off with torque, which is normal if you fly it that way. From the snippet of video I watched, I opine that the pilot pulled the airplane very sharply up, resulting in a sudden reduction of airspeed, which was not restored by lowering the nose (it wasn't enough altitude for that in any case). The C150/152 does not have much inertia, and will slow down really quickly. The airplane became a kite in the wind for a brief moment, then did exactly what it would be expected to do. From the moment the airplane appears hanging in the sky in the brief video, it would not be recoverable to flight again - it was going to hit in any case. But better reaction could have resulted in a crash straight ahead instead.
The seat will not slide far enough back in a 150/152 to get the pilot out of reach of the controls (other than a shorter pilot might not reach the pedals fully). The 150 series were not affected by the AD for secondary seat restrictors. The flap setting looks acceptable (not fully extended). The airplane rolled off with torque, which is normal if you fly it that way. From the snippet of video I watched, I opine that the pilot pulled the airplane very sharply up, resulting in a sudden reduction of airspeed, which was not restored by lowering the nose (it wasn't enough altitude for that in any case). The C150/152 does not have much inertia, and will slow down really quickly. The airplane became a kite in the wind for a brief moment, then did exactly what it would be expected to do. From the moment the airplane appears hanging in the sky in the brief video, it would not be recoverable to flight again - it was going to hit in any case. But better reaction could have resulted in a crash straight ahead instead.
Small plane crashes at airport in Quebec City | CTV News
The press article in the original post quotes Airport Authorities as saying:
...the crash happened during a landing manoeuvre at 9:20 a.m.
Still - the flight path is nearly perpendicular to the runway and well aligned with the gate marking. There must have been something prior to this that caused the camera guy to start recording.
Classic trim stall early in a go-around? It's certainly a risk in the 182 but it's a long time since I flew a 152 and I don't remember how much it pitched up if the wheel was not held forward.
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I agree with EXDAC; it appears to be a botched go-around, which might account for it being well off the runway heading. It looked like it had a lot of flap down.
Do we know if this was a go-around, or a first takeoff? Control lock left in place could be a possibility, too. It's been too many years, I don't recall where the elevator is positioned with the Cessna control lock installed? (Maybe neutral elevator, which would prevent rotation for takeoff)
Do we know if this was a go-around, or a first takeoff?
I wouldn’t let a student do solo touch and goes until they had demonstrated a consistent and methodical approach to the vital actions and I had demonstrated the recovery from inadvertently leaving the flaps down. They got to practice that as we operated from a 600 m grass strip and stop wasn’t always the safe option.