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Old 13th November 2011 | 22:54
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safetypee
 
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FullWings. FD bars, yes keep them for windshear, but remove for upset, e.g. greater than +25, -10, +- 45. You didn’t comment on the FD display in the presentation.

Re “… if the guy at the controls doesn't have the skillset to resolve the situation …” and your V1 cut example; I would counter with the many examples in the PSM+ICR study where, particularly in turboprops, fully qualified pilots did not control the aircraft with an engine failure and the result was loc.

BOAC, I’m OK with simple, but you destroy your argument with example accidents; all of which involved the crew creating the upset and thus more unlikely to identify the need for recovery. (See end quote)

I sense that many contributors have similar safety objectives, but the differing views of the problem are an indication of the complexity of the issue – ‘a wicked problem’, where alternative methods of finding a solution are required.
Such strategies suggest avoiding the identification of a specific ‘cause’ - defining the problem, instead they require a broad definition of the problem area and an aim to change the system at large (the interactions) as opposed to a specific item.
Solutions for creating change in this sense might be quite small scale, e.g. more manual instrument flying or situation assessment practice, but their effect in a complex dynamic system could be quite dramatic.

“The point is not to change what we think, but to change the way we think about these issues”.

‘Connecting the Dots' particularly chapt 5 (free download).

“ ‘Connecting the Dots’ offers an approach premised on learning and adaptation, which demands that … we… be prepared to embrace uncertainty and complexity. This pamphlet aims to lay the foundations for a new deliberative framework; one that is suited to dealing with complex issues that are unbounded in time, scope and resources.
Society has an insatiable appetite for simplicity and for solutions. More often than not this creates problems rather than solves them because policymakers become caught up in the narrative of miracle cures for complex problems.”
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