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alibaba · 2nd July 2009, 15:31

BB check you Pm's..

Slim Reasoned debate is not by taking VERY selective quotes of the law and statute and then twisting it by adding personal comment and opinion. The for mentioned individual tried to state that 10% of the bargaining unit was all that was necessary for recognition to be followed thorough instead of the legal requirement of a majority of workers of 50%+1 either members or voting. The full statute was not quoted to many EMA members so trying to distort the truth as the Ryanair management did in the base visits and in various memos on CD. Whatever the individual’s motivation, the individual’s intention was to try and clearly mislead the pilots involved and so he will have to now live with that reputation as somebody who misleads, just like our own management try to do. This type of behaviour is abominable and should not be tolerated.

The codes of practice are their for people to look at; Schedule A1 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992, inserted by the Employment Relations Act 1999, sets out the statutory procedure for the recognition and de-recognition of trade unions for the purpose of collective bargaining. There are many sources on the internet and I ask people to look for themselves.

10% of the bargaining unit is only needed for the CAC to undertake a hearing of whether automatic recognition is likely due to membership numbers of 50% plus or more likely in the case of Ryanair; a vote is necessary where a MAJORITY of workers in the bargaining unit have to vote in favour for collective bargaining. Some sources on the internet are as follows but there are many, many more on the internet. The law is the law ladies and gents and Ryanair management or select individuals can not rewrite these, whatever personal motivations these and him have and every company, manager, union and person or pilots is liable to answer to it. Here is some info:

Employment Relations Act 1999 (c. 26)

and

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2004...0040024_en.pdf

Plus much more on the net, that you can do the research for yourself as I have only spent a couple of minutes searching and have properly not got the best results as there are many documents.

You are entitled to your opinion but many people feel that a clearly constructed untruth should be aired and the individual should not be entitled to such an attempt to mislead people..

Stick to the facts.

2nd July 2009, 15:31	#8 (permalink)
alibaba Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Everywhere Posts: 126	BB check you Pm's.. Slim Reasoned debate is not by taking VERY selective quotes of the law and statute and then twisting it by adding personal comment and opinion. The for mentioned individual tried to state that 10% of the bargaining unit was all that was necessary for recognition to be followed thorough instead of the legal requirement of a majority of workers of 50%+1 either members or voting. The full statute was not quoted to many EMA members so trying to distort the truth as the Ryanair management did in the base visits and in various memos on CD. Whatever the individual’s motivation, the individual’s intention was to try and clearly mislead the pilots involved and so he will have to now live with that reputation as somebody who misleads, just like our own management try to do. This type of behaviour is abominable and should not be tolerated. The codes of practice are their for people to look at; Schedule A1 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992, inserted by the Employment Relations Act 1999, sets out the statutory procedure for the recognition and de-recognition of trade unions for the purpose of collective bargaining. There are many sources on the internet and I ask people to look for themselves. 10% of the bargaining unit is only needed for the CAC to undertake a hearing of whether automatic recognition is likely due to membership numbers of 50% plus or more likely in the case of Ryanair; a vote is necessary where a MAJORITY of workers in the bargaining unit have to vote in favour for collective bargaining. Some sources on the internet are as follows but there are many, many more on the internet. The law is the law ladies and gents and Ryanair management or select individuals can not rewrite these, whatever personal motivations these and him have and every company, manager, union and person or pilots is liable to answer to it. Here is some info: Employment Relations Act 1999 (c. 26) and http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2004...0040024_en.pdf Plus much more on the net, that you can do the research for yourself as I have only spent a couple of minutes searching and have properly not got the best results as there are many documents. You are entitled to your opinion but many people feel that a clearly constructed untruth should be aired and the individual should not be entitled to such an attempt to mislead people.. Stick to the facts.