OK Deano a bit pedantic but was I right about the main point of the CPL/ATPL exams issue. Yes you are right, it takes a PPl and CPL 1500 hours of flying of which 500 must be multicrew in a qualifying aircraft etc etc. but my main point was AM was setting himself up for more pain than necessary by doing CPL ground exams then doing ATPL ground exams (all the same pain again).