I met Shep at a BBQ in '87 when I just started flying for a living. He was wingeing to me that QF had just knocked him back " who do they think they are, don't they know it takes 3 days to plan a pig sortie?" I explained (half pissed) that QF would probably frown on taking that long to plan the ML-SY leg. He didn't see the humour in it.