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Banana Joe 30th May 2020 21:17

I would love to hear about those two places by PM. So far I know one place in Wisconsin.

LTCTerry 31st May 2020 00:29

I contacted the OP via PM and gave him the names of two places I know from personal experience will rent their twins to low time pilots - with renters' insurance.

I don't want to be a Debbie Downer. As a pilot I want to see other pilots succeed. Based on what Banana Joe has said, he has nothing that allows him to fly a multiengine airplane solo. Perhaps he has taken taken a checkride in something that lets him fly a Seneca, Duchess, Seminole, Twin Comanche, etc solo.

If Banana Joe is currently allowed to log PIC in a MEP under EASA rules, he could simply have someone keep him company who happens to be an instructor and he just fills out his own log book as PIC. Problem solved.

If he's a reasonably current pilot, he can get the FAA ME rating added to his 61.75 certificate in about five hours. After that everything could be PIC with a knowledgeable passenger... Problem solved for just a bit more money. (I had suggested the ratings as a way to get independent FAA credentials instead of just logging flight time.)

awair 31st May 2020 10:12


Originally Posted by LTCTerry (Post 10797737)
Would you as a civil servant sign someone off to fly a light twin based on a type rating? I’ll bet my friend at the FSDO wouldn’t, but I’ll ask.

I'm not sure it's a question of a civil servant "thinking about it". It is more of, this is our procedure: OP has the 737, which they can't grant without also granting the MEL, as it is the superior class for the type.

I was just granted MEL on my initial FAA Airplane certificate, check-ride was for a Type Rating, no light twin time demonstrated.

Good luck, and let us know what happens...

Banana Joe 31st May 2020 10:22

Thanks to LTCFerry again for his useful private messages. And to the other users as well! Options are available and I'll consider all of them.

LTCTerry 31st May 2020 13:30

My FAA contact says if the type rating requires being part of a crew - as in the OP’s case - it won’t give AMEL PIC privileges.

Via PM I’ve learned the OP is MEP rated in his EASA license. This should give him a 61.75 certificate with ASEL and AMEL. Any ME flying from an FAA perspective would be PIC.

With a goal of 30 hours of flying Banana Joe could have some great experiences!

rudestuff 31st May 2020 13:56

I might just apply for a 61.75 myself and put this one to rest - I've never had an MEP rating, so it'll be interesting to see what they give me!

Climb150 31st May 2020 20:41

I got an FAA ATP doing a CL65 jet checkride for the licence conversion. Have the jet type and AMEL on the certificate. No restrictions.


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