The LHR based chaps, I have have flown with are, to a man, absolute Gentlemen.... maybe youre on another fleet?

PS. going to work 3 times a month - yep, I hate that too! LHR is only a 3 day pattern...and a min of 5 Gs between trips.... throw in maybe 1 RT/PC.... Its still only 12 days work a month. :{

Conversely, I agree with your RC comments! If you want 'hands-on' time youre far better off with eASY/RYAN... big call though! (With the June roster.... I doubt you'll get any flying at all)

Bon chance! :ok:

Ryanairpilot,
I was told by a Ryanair pilot that your 900 hours allowed by the company were based on takeoff to touchdown.
If thats not the case !
Ill get back to him.

Clear,
The belfast guys regularly do 6/7 sector days.
It varies around the network.

mjenkinsblackdog

i can assure you it is 900 hrs block time.

Having working for ez and working now for ryan, this is my vision:

EZ:
seems nice from outside,nightmare inside
orange bull!!!! every day,THE orange culture...
crap roster 6 3 (late to early)
unstable roster
totaly unflexible flt ops
no jump seat
lot of time wasted in taxis,positioning flt,waiting time on the gnd
low morale
very english
very good training,well organised
Loss making company
Going for 3 diff A/C types .... good luck ez

Ryan:
seems rough from outside,very nice once on the line
no company culture,no bull!!!!, fair deal
very stable roster
5on 3 off
much more flexible company
Flt ops dep works great
just jump in the flt deck if you need a ride
NO time wasted in taxis,DUTY= BLOCK time
happy pilots
much more Europe minded
Disorganised training
Profit making company


Good luck

is the ryanair roster 5 on 3 off or is it 5 on 3 off followed by 5 on 2 off?

5 On 3 Off... with some sby's... (then almost 4 on 4 off ):D published 4 weeks in advance...

LDLN,
Thanks for that info, seems quite interesting, what is the money like (F/O UK based)? Is it true that there are different pay scales?
Regards, Bokkie

Exact, depend where you are base... airplane, qualified or not...
Sector pay half during the first 6 month

Lemon

Depends on where you are based, Stn is 5 on 3 off, Dub is 5 on 3 off 5 on 2 off.

The roster is very stable and works well. Once in a blue moon you might get asked to work a day off but it is only a request and you are paid £212Stg plus your normal sector pay for it.

mjenkinsblackdog

It is definatly 900 brakes/brakes. Your info is wrong.

Come to Emirates!
Below in no particular order...

1. Half way to Europe.
2. Sun shines evey day. (our boss seems to think that's a REALLY big selling point)
3. Training, well that depends on if you're the -ee or the -or.
4. Money, livable but don't believe the millionair stories.
5. Housing dept. If you want something, don't dare request it!
6. Rostering. Computer generated OK, once clerks get their hands on it things change.
7. Days off. Can only speak for myself. Acceptable.
8. Time to command. Excellent!
9. Line flying. Excellent!
10. Layovers. Getting shorter, not much fun. (see below)
11. Cabin crew. Better 6 years ago, now most belong to the 'slam click club'
12. Profit share this year. Thank you VERY much!!
13. Medical. Excellent!
14. Schooling allowance. Nice, but increasingly problems finding a place at a school.
15. Overall. No airline job is perfect. For now I'm happy to be here! :ok:

haddock

absolutely nothing!.....if you work your leave right you can get the best part of 2 months off. of the remaining 10 months (roughly 300 days) you work 5 out of every 8 days. that equals 187. marvellous eh!!

Captain Haddock,

When you say you have been offered a "contract" - do you mean general employment or a specific contract? Is this a Captain slot? Could you specify? Also, what type of aircraft do you fly now - do you have 737NG experience?


Congrats!

C.H.

Some 3rd hand info that might help. The pilots work 5 earlies (0630-1400) 3 days off 5 lates (1400-2300) +/- 3 off. With only 4 crews per a/c there is very little SBY cover, but with trusted colleagues there is not much roster change; however that may be effected by the size of the base; i.e number of a/c and routes etc.

Crews are trained in advance of a/c deliveries and thus go on contract (134euro per schedule block hour) until their a/c arrives. This is paid after the line training is finished. Upto that time you are on your own. Contract pilots can be based anywhere at any time, but preferences are noted. There is no guarantee of how much flying will be available on contract. The a/c arrives and they are offered a permanent deal with fixed base. With a/c arriving a such a fast rate the time on contract is likely ot be less than 6 months, but it is your choice to accept permanent employment or stay on contract if you wish. The latter allows you to choose your available duty days and work%.

They plan to open 2 new bases each year, quite a few non-UK, but their location is often last minute.

If you are type rated then you should need only an OCC, which takes 2 weeks or so at EMA.

Don't confuse the Easy low cost operation with that at Ryanair; the two are poles apart in every respect. Ryan's formula works whereas the others doesn't! Look at the comparative financial successes of both airlines and it becomes clear.

On contract a Captain with Ryanair currently earns €134 per block hour times 900 hours per annum. Ok, he pays ALL of his expenses, hotac, everything, but as you know, one can live quite economically when you have to pay the bills yourself. Thats where pilots are very adept. Work the figures yourself.

In principle; no night flying, no standbys, days off in blocks, no mucking around in taxis positioning base to base, etc, etc. 900 mhours is a lot, but done in a less fatiguing way than endless hours of duty time spent in the back of a cab or away from base in a hotel.

Those outside hate Ryanair, those within generally love it. They are home earlier, get to the pub and generally enjoy a considerably better lifestyle. You 'takes your money and you takes your choice'. Not everyone's 'cup of tea' but considerably better than most.

Two routes into Ryanair; direct or on contract. Agencies for contract are Brookfield or Storm. Both are looking and both offer same benefits.

Hope that helps

CH,
Ryanair permanent employment pay for CPTs is:

Basic annum salary is £47905 gross, for year one CPT. (3% basic salary annual increment every April plus annual increment £300 gross also every April)
My sector money was £21105 net, for period Mar 01st 2002-Feb 28th 2003.
Annual leave paid 29 days x £60 = £1740 net.
I have flown days off during that period for £2986.
Roughly that is £61000 net.

I had 204 working days and 124 days off, plus 29 days of annual leave plus 8 days of not available due to limit of 900h in previous 365 days. Total hours from start up untill cut off 885h in that period.

To simplify: 204 working days and 161 days off.
Average day was payed £167 throughout 365 days.
Average working day was payed £299.
Average flying hour was payed £69.

Offcourse this is my story in Ryanair only. Payments in other bases are different and I do not know accurate details.
Great company to work. Easy life style, only 8 nights out of my bed during that period. Do not step in way of managers and you would live easy life, but that is same for any company.
:ok:

EZY girls and guys also great. I have done a handful of 6 sector days during 5 years with the company, never 7, same moaners slag ezy on this place all the time, not perfect but overall I think its great. quite a few cx guys here too.

Normal day is a 2 or 4 sector day depending on where you go. About 750hrs per year. Never done 800 plus yet. £4200 ish a month in pocket. 6 on 3 off roster.

comes recommended from the majority, the same moaners will moan whoever they work for.

southern softy,

Your leading a very sheltered life in EJ. My log book shows 899hours last year and for the last 3 months 100hours on the dot.

At EJ expect to work a 6 and 3 roster- finishing on lates, starting on earlies.


"comes recommended from the majority"

Your having a laugh.

I hear Ryanair are doing a stack of interviews with EJ guys, 2 more have just been given jobs. Not to mention the number of people waiting to see if NOW actually get operational.

Don’t paint the glossy picture of a crap outfit.

Any bennies at Ryan? Pension, medical, loss-of-license?
Heard a strange rumor that you don´t get paid for the sector if you don´t make it to destination, like if you have to divert. Any truth to that or just a load of cr*p?

Big mouth,

Pension-Yes
Medical-No
Loss of licence-Yes

Not paid for diverted flight-bulls*it. Big lie
:ok:

Orange_bubble

Are you STN based.

Things are not that way at the other bases. (or at least not for me or SS)

Easy is not perfect by any means but we are hoping that they will get better once the digestion of the GO take over is complete and the rosters are sorted out once and for all. It seems good things are happening in this area but a bit of good will might be needed to get them on track.

It is a solid business with a great future.
IMHO.

:ok: