Originally Posted by Twitterati (Post 11790007)

In summary;

Pay is good ish. Equipment good. Training is currently very weakly led and poorly rostered. Great people to fly with but as a line captain I fly to a lot of ****ty places at night with very little experience sat next to me, who are bitter about their contract from day 1. Good regional bases.
Rosters will damage your health so you will be forced onto part time at some point if you can let go of the FOMO on being the richest person in the grave yard. Staff travel - good in LGW - **** everywhere else unless you are happy to holiday in the low season winter months. We just got private health, which our incoming CEO says it’s great and why we cannot get a previous share scheme reinstated. It is great - mutually - as we have too many pilots sick languishing on NHS lists further driving **** rosters and high SBY coverage. Over 20 years in if you couldn’t tell, immune to easyjet orange spin, we are very poorly led and the culture is full of holes where cabin services run the show - they are even conducting pilot interviews - no easyjet pilot in sight. Madness.

Apparently we are getting hats next year.

Originally Posted by monkey.tennis (Post 11790881)

I just don’t recognise any of this

Part time

• Fleet - give me the airbus over the 73 any day.
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Originally Posted by JM926 (Post 11791256)

Just a note of caution to people who may be interested in J2. The comment above saying “J2 will get you into your base of choice within 12 months.”

they will certainly aim to get people where they want, no doubt. But if there isn’t space in a given base for more LHS/RHS then you will remain on the waiting list until such time as there is. You can put down a secondary choice and who knows, you may get offered that in the mean time as a stop gap, if you want it

but I wouldn’t want people applying under the impression that if you want a certain base, that you’re guaranteed to be moved there after 12 months. Some particular bases have had lengthy wait lists in the past and could do again. Just down to supply and demand etc

Originally Posted by dhc1180 (Post 11790983)

to counter this:

pay- J2 on the Airbus fleet as a line pilot for the first few years whilst they train up all the new Airbus pilots; you’ll be working far less at Jet2 than easyJet. They pay is more now at easy, but the hours you’ll be flying at easy will be considerably more than at Jet2 so there’s an argument to say if you worked out wage vs flying hours you’re on more at Jet2…. And at easyJet the work schedule is unsustainable full time so most go PT anyway- or go PT to reduce the tax bill. Jet2 full time is essentially flying a PT ezy roster hours wise.

rostering- let me assure you that a fixed pattern roster is no less fatiguing than a random. Granted it’s nice to be able to plan ahead but 5 days of solid flying on fixed pattern is a killer. Also, from personal experience, roster disruption is bloody horrendous at easyJet, I’ve had entire blocks change constantly there, whereas changes at Jet2 are far fewer and more stable.

staff travel- yes easyJet is good for that if you use it but I used it 4 times in my time there as I prefer a holiday to a UK pub destination.

crew food- don’t miss it. In fact I’m far healthier without it.

leave- leave system is dreadful at easyJet. Jet2 conversely is excellent. One of the best I’ve seen. Fair, clear and yea limited to 9 days in the summer but for me I prefer winter leave for Rugby season purposes- horses for courses.

Fleet- brand new A321’s, all very smart.

union- does BALPA work for you? It didn’t for me. Do the “roster protections” protect your rosters? Are they always stable? How often do you have to use SNCR’s? Here’s a thought; maybe Jet2 don’t need a union because they’re just simply well managed- and that means not managed by cabin crew… I’m with the IPA, they’re much better than BALPA imo.

workload- for me 2 sector days every time I turn up to work on the Bus fleet is great. Doing longer legs (which I personally prefer) so I can only really turn up to work a max of 10-12 days per month. Cushty. Fixed pattern blocks of a mixture of 4 sector to long 2 sector with sometimes transitions are a **** show at easy. Plus the commercial pressure I experienced on a number of occasions was unacceptable.

culture: it’s nice being spoken too like an adult and not a naughty school child.

Jet2 isn’t perfect. It’s all H for C in this game at the end of the day. But if you’re hungry for hours, live London area or south UK, need a fixed pattern roster, able to travel Europe spontaneously and enjoy frequently being rogered up the backside then easyJet is unbeatable. If on the other hand you’re a little bit more grown up and appreciate a well run organisation, with 2 sector days, better pension, live in the midlands and want to be quiet for a few years then now’s the time to be at Jet2 (on the Airbus fleet). Plus training positions available now if you want that direction too.

No where is perfect, it depends on a number of individual preferences but you can’t ever say one place is better than another. You can only say that one place works better for you or not.

Originally Posted by 9 minutes to landing (Post 11791312)

Very strong theme of self justification coming through here.

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11792242)

If your seriously paying 45% tax at any airline than your financial decision making is pretty damn poor, Also why would anyone want to be on taxable pay over £100000 as your just giving your money away to HMRC,

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11792242)

If your seriously paying 45% tax at any airline than your financial decision making is pretty damn poor, Also why would anyone want to be on taxable pay over £100000 as your just giving your money away to HMRC,

Originally Posted by Chris the Robot (Post 11792305)

As a mere PPL I'm surprised the annoying song hasn't featured in the discussion yet, that alone is surely worth an additional £10k unless the flight deck is specially insulated...

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11792242)

If your seriously paying 45% tax at any airline than your financial decision making is pretty damn poor, Also why would anyone want to be on taxable pay over £100000 as your just giving your money away to HMRC,

Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11792865)

You live in France. They haven't surrendered to the tax man, which is good. That's the sort of patriotic attitude one needed in June 1940. :E

Originally Posted by Steve1968 (Post 11792882)

Looking at your profile then you are a CAT and a well behaved one ?

My names not Steve and I spend time in France and 1968 was a good year for the civil right acts 1968 ACT..

My point being their are plenty of legal ways to reduce it in the UK so you are not paying 45% and losing your personal allowance. Their being little point in earning £175000 if you give 52% or more to HMRC and the NI.

Originally Posted by go-around flap 15 (Post 11792906)

I've just run the numbers on the figures you've quoted through the tax calc for england/wales:

£99,999 p.a. = £5713.36 net per month

£175,000 p.a = £8711.36 net per month

So, you have a point, but are also somewhat missing the point. £75,000 between the two but only £3000 net more per month I agree is crazy. However, as I mentioned above, many don't have the luxury of lowering their pay to £99,999 if they are already paying out £4000 + on a mortgage and childcare (and might one add, on a relatively modest terraced house). If you take off £4000 p.m, by taking the full pay you've got £4711.36 left to play with, if you lower to £99,999, you've got £1713.36. Quite a difference to the quality of life and things you can do with your family at that point!

If you are older than have a mortgage reflecting the house prices from 2/3 decades ago then i'm sure its a no brainer to salary sacrifice, but for many younger people that simply isn't realistic these days given the cost of housing.

I'm not going to be too upset about paying my taxes if i'm taking home almost £9000 per month.

Originally Posted by go-around flap 15 (Post 11792017)

I worked at Jet2 and joined easyJet for basing reasons. Having also worked at Ryanair many years ago I feel I can add something to this…

Both companies are worlds apart from Ryanair. Treated like an adult rather than a schoolchild.

Jet2 is on balance probably a little more relaxed from a day to day operating perspective, but the deep lates are knackering there is no getting away from that. If you’re the type of person that can tough it through a summer then the winter in Jet2 is heavenly. If you live near enough your base you have effectively 2 hours to report from a standby call out, making most of the month a de facto day off.

Easyjet feels like a more mature operation. Jet2 can frustrate at times as it grows the processes and procedures. Often feel like they’re still running a small airline. It is getting better though.

Hands down the best variety of flying you’ll get will be easyJet LGW, nothing else comes close.

Your colleagues at Jet2 are likely to be from a more diverse background in terms of where they’ve come from career wise vs. CTC/L3 factory. No shade, we were all new once, but I found the flight deck conversations at Jet2 a little more interesting to break up a 5 hour Larnaca.

once you take into account the 45% tax rate the difference between pay at both is secondary to other aspects that may or may not work for you.

Having had a fixed pattern roster at RYR, and now having one back again, I could not go back to a random roster at Jet2.

Have tried to be as objective as possible. To summarise, both very nice places to work depending on what you need out of a job. Both light years ahead of the likes of RYR/Wizz.

Originally Posted by dmc222 (Post 11808006)

Hi all, would anyone be able to give an insight to what a typical summer and winter roster looks like in Manchester for Jet2 on the Airbus?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by dmc222 (Post 11808006)

Hi all, would anyone be able to give an insight to what a typical summer and winter roster looks like in Manchester for Jet2 on the Airbus?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by Officer Cartman (Post 11832644)

Easyjet are getting a 5.6% pay rise. Rock solid roster protections and plenty of choice of working patterns.

I don’t know of any wanting to go to Jet2.

Originally Posted by Prob30Tempo TSRA (Post 11832722)

I think he was being “ sarcastic “😂

Originally Posted by FunFlyin (Post 11832383)

Base dependent. But because of rostering inefficiency full time never more than 700 personally

Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 11832813)

I have to say there are no financial reasons to move from EasyJet to Jet2. There may be other ones, but certainly not financial ones.

Originally Posted by OutsideCAS (Post 11834323)

Are J2 recruiting captains and first officer directly in to the Stansted base at the moment?