Decisions based on history, and the balance sheet, and the future plans for both airlines.

This isn't a competition, or a willy-waving contest... If you prefer TUI, that's fine. Their perks far outweigh those at Jet2, and the total pay you can eventually reach is higher. In terms of job security, and market resilience, most of us look at Jet2 as the safer option.

Horses for courses, and depends on your personal circumstances.

What perks are these? Not trying to compete. Just better understand. Allowance towards a TUI holiday?

Yes, and a uniform hat and the day off payments etc. Maybe TUI have better medical and LOL cover as well.

As I say, depends on whether you want the ancillary stuff or the more secure job with a quicker career progression.

Also I believe TUI have a good schedule agreement which protects the roster etc….

BUT I believe Jet2 is striving to improve lifestyle

which is a lot more than what can be said about other airlines at present!

This is an attempt at humour isn't it, when I worked at "Thomson" my roster was appalling.

Pre 2013 15% pension, post its 11% from them. Private medical insurance, loss of license, death in service, money towards a holiday tops out at £2000 after X amount of years. They have an opportunity to get late seats/accommodation in hotels/cruises and a few other bits and bobs. That’s where Jet2 will fall behind in compared to TUI.

I done a few years in TUI, as the poster said above the roster is absolutely horrendous. I tried to stick it out, came from LoCo flying Harp and missed it within weeks. Yes they have a number of rostering agreements in place, block window is the most useful. They’ll still plan you do a 11pm ZTH home at 7am followed by a 9pm CFU later that evening. You can’t dress up charter flying, it’s !!!!!.

I do think Jet2 will eventually end the airline aspect of TUI Airways, if not play a fairly substantial role in it.
Jet2s expansion into everywhere is at the expense of TUI, EDI is a perfect example. The list goes on.

All Jet2 need is a 5/4 roster or 5/3/5/4 and they’d have a very very strong package, and some form of a more concrete staff travel package. You can’t help but admire their progress, it’s not perfect but they do seem to have a lot correct.

A hat?
I remember this from my time in TUI, you folks love a hat. It got more love their nearest and dearest.

I'm not TUI myself. Just comparing the little bits that seem to make some people prefer one over the other.

I've done the hat with a different airline, but job security trumps everything else unless you're a young, brand new FO with little responsibility. Just IMHO of course.

Which facts are these? I haven’t seen many facts in this thread.

2.1b billion in debt. Debt they did clear was due to diluting the shares, and the cash flow of business decreasing over the last 12 months to the stage the business now can't hedge fuel. They're facts.

It's ridiculous to think that Jet2 isn't a safer ship to be in than TUIs.

The problem for Jet 2 on a 5/4 etc is you might get 4-5 flights of 2 sectors whereas at FR/Easy that would be a lot more because of the shorter duration and amount of sectors on offer. This would mean extra crew (lots of). Maybe for winter it would be an option but expectation management is always a challenge with crew

Including your "fact" that most people choose Jet2 to be close to home...

It is true that TUI didn’t want to spend money on hedging during the pandemic but cash flow is much better now and so it has resumed its normal hedging policy.

That would be a fake news. Their current financial reports state their cash flow in the bank has been decreasing over 12 months and that hedging still hasn’t restarted hence uncertainty when pricing holidays. These are issues none of their competitors have.

TUI results

FUEL/FOREIGN EXCHANGE

Our strategy of hedging the majority of our jet fuel and currency requirements for future seasons gives us increased certainty of costs when planning capacity and pricing. Our current hedged positions for the coming winter and summer seasons are in line with our expectations. The following table shows the percentage of our forecast requirement that is currently hedged for Euros, US Dollars and jet fuel for our Markets & Airlines, which account for over 90% of our Group currency and fuel exposure.


Hedged Position* W23/24 S24 W24/25 Euro 94% 65% 25% US Dollar 90% 76% 37% Jet Fuel 94% 75% 35% *Position at 26 November, 2023

How did we get from Jet2 pay rises to TUI fuel hedging policy?

Standard PPRuNe thread drift. ;)

And possibly because some people at Jet2, when given an opportunity, always like to present a negative view of TUI.

But a 26% S25 fuel hedge means that they can’t go bust

:zzz:

I posted the results to point out this is factually incorrect - I agree its thread drift!

This demonstrates a massive misunderstanding of hedging policy, Pprune B**l!!!!! at its best.

I'm out.

Jet2 manual flying policy
 

Could anybody in the company please share manual flying policy- on airbus OMB.... specifically manual thrusts, visuals etc

[QUOTE=EGMC;11567371]Could anybody in the company please share manual flying policy- on airbus OMB.... specifically manual thrusts, visuals etc[/QUOTE

I doubt you’ll get that . If you are in the company you’ll have it , if your a flight simmer you don’t need it ..

Standard. They just can’t resist a little willy wave whenever the opportunity presents itself.

[QUOTE=Prob30Tempo TSRA;11567441]
....and IF I'm considering joining and using it as part of my pro/cons?

Never heard of anyone worrying about an airline's policy on manual flying before. Who cares?

[QUOTE=EGMC;11567586]In which case I’d say your criteria is weird , slightly alarming and a bit immature

Who needs pay, pension, rostering practices, opportunities for commands, basing certaintcy etc etc when you’re allowed to move the little bits of plastic in the aircraft slightly more liberally than some other carriers.

Also it’s an Airbus does manual flying technically exist. You need to looking for a new type rating if that’s what your after.

Im going to guess you’re not much fun at the staff parties.

Well he’s absolutely right , the point I was trying to make - you are not allowed to see that stuff outside the airline .

Restrictions on visuals - I’m wondering if you are thinking of a min visibility , which is a restriction my last company put on that

You should be applying to Aer Lingus if you want to play DC3 in an Airbus - the sky gods over there love a bit of AP/ATHR off.

I can’t be the only person thinking the reaction to the potential recruit asking a simple question has been needlessly way over the top.

Most airlines don’t have a specific policy on visual or manual flying, aside from a recommendation of a latest time to engage the AP.

As with all airlines, it’s the Captain’s call and if he hasn’t briefed it correctly, complied with SOPs and made any poor decisions, he’ll be held accountable.

With this in mind, I wouldn’t be applying to any major airline hoping for lots of manual flying. Try the smaller wet-lease specialists, where perhaps things may be a little less restrictive.

Welcome to Jet2.

Possibly not enough airbus pilots at Jet2 yet for any of them to be reading this? As far as I remember in the 737 part B hand flying is encouraged, with a caveat about busy airspace etc. I know it’s there but it’s not a big deal. Generally the PF will say that they would like to hand fly to or from a certain point and the PM says yes, or no if there’s a good reason (airspace/weather etc). I would guess that the airbus part B will be the same, taking into account any manufacturers guidance that I don’t know as I’ve never flown one. But generally in J2 hand flying is encouraged, or has been on all the flights I’ve done in nine years in the company.

Couldn’t agree more. But then that’s the downside of pprune. Generally full of contrived keyboard warrior ego flexing aviation gods.

As excrab says, it's encouraged with the usual caveats regarding workload/weather etc.
it's in OM-A so applies all types. It's the same policy as my previous 2 airlines.

I'm on the Airbus and fly manually to keep in practice regularly.
There is very little flying currently. I've got 3 flights til March, so most people are acting cautiously.

Hope that helps.

Pros and cons

1. How financially viable is the company
2. where do I want to live
3. pay and Ts Cs
4. command opportunities and base transfer policy
5. hand flying policy?

I’m glad someone has politely answered this but it has made me chuckle!

Thanks to excrab and fieldinsight. That's all I was after, wasn't asking for an ops manual extract- sorry if it was unclear.
And I'm not worried about it or using it as a deal-breaker.... but it is nice to know the culture on this. Cheers!