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FlyboyUK 16th February 2023 13:08

You'd imagine that quite a few MPs are encountering the 62% bracket, but yet it doesn't get smoothed out in the way it would with a progressive system. Oh silly me, of course MPs aren't normal tax paying people ;-)

maxdiscretion 17th February 2023 07:15

What is the collective wisdom to avoid the tax trap?

Must admit it’s snuck up on me this year, first time earning £100K+.

Is it as simple as thus:

Earn £110K Gross…

…Overpay pension by £10,100, “taxable income” becomes £99,900.

Fill in a tax return to be relieved circa £6K in income tax?

Therefore disposable cash reduced in theory by approx £4K, but my pension has £10K extra and I’ve given considerably less to HMRC…?

FlyboyUK 17th February 2023 14:57


Originally Posted by maxdiscretion (Post 11387197)
What is the collective wisdom to avoid the tax trap?

Must admit it’s snuck up on me this year, first time earning £100K+.

Is it as simple as thus:

Earn £110K Gross…

…Overpay pension by £10,100, “taxable income” becomes £99,900.

Fill in a tax return to be relieved circa £6K in income tax?

Therefore disposable cash reduced in theory by approx £4K, but my pension has £10K extra and I’ve given considerably less to HMRC…?

Basically yes, or if your pension contributions are salary sacrifice (ie before tax) then your gross becomes lower in the first place

V_2 18th February 2023 13:22

You could also lower your gross by things like buying a bike on a ride to work scheme or even now an electric vehicle, or look at some unpaid leave to get back under the £100k.

hunterboy 18th February 2023 13:52

Hardly encourages aspiration though does it? Where did it all go wrong?

meleagertoo 18th February 2023 15:44


Originally Posted by maxdiscretion (Post 11387197)
What is the collective wisdom to avoid the tax trap?

Must admit it’s snuck up on me this year, first time earning £100K+.

Is it as simple as thus:

Earn £110K Gross…

…Overpay pension by £10,100, “taxable income” becomes £99,900.

Fill in a tax return to be relieved circa £6K in income tax?

Therefore disposable cash reduced in theory by approx £4K, but my pension has £10K extra and I’ve given considerably less to HMRC…?

You're doing something seriously wrong if your pension only benefits £10K when you put £10K into it. You should be claiming tax relief so with employer's NI contribution refund added your £10K becomes more like £15K.
No-one should be missing the opportunity to get the government to add up to 50% to their savings!
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midnight cruiser 18th February 2023 17:54


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11387839)
You're doing something seriously wrong if your pension only benefits £10K when you put £10K into it. You should be claiming tax relief so with employer's NI contribution refund added your £10K becomes more like £15K.
No-one should be missing the opportunity to get the government to add up to 50% to their savings!
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Backwards reasoning (but the correct conclusion)!
If you put £10k into your pension, don't give the government credit for gifting you money - they don't - it was your money, - it's just that you don't have to pay tax on it. In practice, if you pay into a SIPP from cash you've earned (ie already paid tax on), it's gets a basic rate tax refund top up within a couple of weeks, and then you'll get the higher rate refund (on the tax you've already paid) by doing an end of year tax return. Plus of course, the employer will contribute to a company pension - but all the same, there's no government contribution - all you're getting is a waiver from tax. The company can credit you with the saved employer NI, but usually they pocket that amount. How long the government give full tax relief on pension contributions remains open to speculation.

Chris the Robot 18th February 2023 19:10

Looking at it, wouldn't it make sense for an employer to offer a DB scheme with fairly high employee contributions in return for a salary freeze for a couple of years? It dumps quite a bit of risk on the airline but it'd be a great way to retain flight crew.

​​​​​​For those in the LHS with childcare requirements, surely part-time is currently a no-brainer.

AIMINGHIGH123 10th March 2023 14:06


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11386759)
Overall, the core&trunk of the global pilot pool lives nowhere near the pleasant and enviable life settings you have. Such as owning a prime property, not needing to provide for the family, and not having the PIC responsibility on the job.

Please share more on how aviation works well for the smart and successful. What you are missing is that the rest of us are neither.

Owning a prime property?
Think you got wires crossed. Living in a flat is hardly prime property. Unfortunate family circumstances allowed us to receive an inheritance far earlier than I was expecting. Without that we wouldn’t have had a deposit for a property.

Of course I provide for family. My partner earns a tad more than me but I certainly not enough to have a single earning household.



santacruz 14th March 2023 12:00

Possibly this is being resolved tomorrow?

hans brinker 15th March 2023 07:31


Originally Posted by hargreaves99 (Post 11385086)
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ays-uk-economy

interesting.

EasyJet pilot McKenzie, a father of three, has similar plans: he will soon trade his full-time contract for a part-time one and flip properties on the side.

“I’m a captain, and the only reason I’m still working full-time is because my pension pot is small, due to time abroad. I currently contribute the maximum £40,000 to my pension, but in a few years I’ll absolutely go part-time, like a significant number of my colleagues already have, to avoid paying an effective tax rate of 62% [including 2% national insurance, on income between £100,000 and £125,140 due to the loss of the personal tax-free allowance].

“It’s just not worth it to wake up every day at 3am to work in the job I trained for: I’ll have the same take-home pay as I do now – £5,000 a month – by going part-time and reducing my pension contributions.

The way it sounds to me is that you lose your personal allowance at a rate of £1 for every extra £2 over £100.000. If you make £110.000 you you PA goes down to £7.570, and you pay 20% over (£50.270 - £7.570) + 40% over (£110.000 - 50.270). I don't think the other income tax bands change, just the PA becomes smaller, so the amount taxed at 20% becomes larger by £1 for every £2 raise, and the amount taxed at 40% becomes larger by £1 for every £1 raise, above £100.000. That would make it a 50% marginal (not effective, because it is only for the increase in pay...) tax rate. The effective rate for £110.000 would be around 30%.

AIMINGHIGH123 15th March 2023 08:59

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5608023a1.jpeg
Monthly pay increase £945
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....98c17cece.jpeg
Monthly pay increase £612 Effective tax is 60%
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4c76ff0cc.jpeg
After £120k monthly take home goes up a bit more.

hans brinker 16th March 2023 04:26


Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 (Post 11402370)
Monthly pay increase £945

Monthly pay increase £612 Effective tax is 60%

After £120k monthly take home goes up a bit more.

I was wrong, guess your government does double dip. Finally found it on the UK.GOV website. Losing some, or all the personal allowance also brings down the amount where the higher rate of 40% starts by that amount. And it does make the marginal rate 60% between £100.000 and £125.000. Crazy.
Effective rate for £120.000 is £40.460 (total tax) / £120.000 (total income) = 34%.

FlyingStone 16th March 2023 04:29

And there's the 2% NI on top, so effective tax rate is 62%.

hans brinker 16th March 2023 04:32


Originally Posted by FlyingStone (Post 11402960)
And there's the 2% NI on top, so effective tax rate is 62%.

please look up the definition of effective vs marginal rate.

midnight cruiser 16th March 2023 07:09

Correct - the term is marginal.

The effect of very high marginal rates and fiscal drag, is that people reduce their productivity as they get pushed into this 62% band.
Net effect; so crewing want a day off worked for the DO payment - no thanks, ⅔ of it goes to Hunt, so what's the point. Or in my case, ten years of being pestered to become a desperately needed LTC - but again why work much harder to have little to show for it in the pay packet. At the macro scale, GDP suffers.

Plus the government lose rather than gain revenue on pay over£100k, because all of it goes into a pension. (At least now, the £40k contribution limit is gone, so maybe I will do training. Retirement is looking pretty sweet!)

nappychanger 16th March 2023 08:08

I see the next (probable) government have vowed to reinstate the lifetime allowance but it’s fine if you’re a doctor (or judge), discuss.

santacruz 16th March 2023 11:56


Originally Posted by nappychanger (Post 11403022)
I see the next (probable) government have vowed to reinstate the lifetime allowance but it’s fine if you’re a doctor (or judge), discuss.

is there grounds for a legal challenge there?!

iggle piggle 16th March 2023 12:37


Originally Posted by santacruz (Post 11403188)
is there grounds for a legal challenge there?!

You would hope so, If you’ve worked hard and saved hard to put yourself in that position then planning for retirement is guess work presently.

VariablePitchP 16th March 2023 12:48


Originally Posted by santacruz (Post 11403188)
is there grounds for a legal challenge there?!

On what grounds, you don’t like it?


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