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aerobus123 23rd March 2020 14:00

Post-virus: Unsafe, rusty pilots?
 
Do you believe that we'll see a rush of incidents and accidents post-Coronavirus as pilots who have been on the couch for several months, perhaps more than half year, return to flying? Do you think regulators will mandate any special additional training??

giggitygiggity 23rd March 2020 14:19

We will require the legally required training. I doubt we'd see any spike in incidents. I imagine people will be flying with viggor as they've been grounded for so long and are happy to have their jobs.

wiggy 23rd March 2020 14:49


Originally Posted by aerobus123 (Post 10725228)
Do you think regulators will mandate any special additional training??

You mean the sort of special additional/extended training most regulators already require post extended absence and as a result of which many airlines already have details tucked away in their operations manuals (Ops Manual D >Recency> Retraining Requirements in our case).

It usually gets used when pilots return to the line after time off due to things such as pregnancy, extended long term sickness, etc, etc etc.

ipilot86 23rd March 2020 14:51

There will be much less incidents and accidents, as there will be much less demand for flights.

waco 23rd March 2020 15:21

What flying? Have you any idea the economic consequences of the current situation.

Smooth Airperator 23rd March 2020 15:55

Many thousands of pilots around the world work seasonally anyway. I've had a gap of between 6 months and a year about 3 times in my career. It's never been an issue. Of course the company will give you 4-8 hours in a sim anyway.

FullWings 23rd March 2020 16:01

It will just mean professional pilots will have to be, errrm, professional about it? The UK CAA have just given a 4-month validity extension to LPC/OPC and it appears medicals will have the same.

I expect recency requirements will be flexed but if not, you can get a surprising number of pilots “recent” in the space of a normal detail. As above, your OM D will say exactly how.

flocci_non_faccio 23rd March 2020 16:07


Originally Posted by waco (Post 10725314)
What flying? Have you any idea the economic consequences of the current situation.

You don’t have any idea either. Nobody really knows. However, I’d say it’s a safe bet that there will still be an aviation industry. It’ll just look very different to the one that existed a month ago.

On the original question: it’s a total non-issue.

meleagertoo 23rd March 2020 16:44

Simulator time will be unobtainable for any but a small fraction of the crews they'll need to get started again, but line training will probably be even worse depending on how many sectors everyone needs to get current again. Training Captains are going to be run off their feet as they struggle to get crews current and the process will take quite some time.
The recovery won't be a fast one.

NoelEvans 23rd March 2020 17:01


Originally Posted by aerobus123 (Post 10725228)
Do you believe that we'll see a rush of incidents and accidents post-Coronavirus as pilots who have been on the couch for several months, perhaps more than half year, return to flying? Do you think regulators will mandate any special additional training??

No and No.

advent 23rd March 2020 18:36


Originally Posted by FullWings (Post 10725368)
It will just mean professional pilots will have to be, errrm, professional about it? The UK CAA have just given a 4-month validity extension to LPC/OPC and it appears medicals will have the same.

I expect recency requirements will be flexed but if not, you can get a surprising number of pilots “recent” in the space of a normal detail. As above, your OM D will say exactly how.

So, I've been unemployed since September... My LPC and medical expires mid April 2021.... Does this mean I can expect an extension to my expiry? Or is this just for those lucky to be employed right now?

15,000 hrs. TRI.. 50 years old etc....

Interested...

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MCDU2 23rd March 2020 18:47


Originally Posted by aerobus123 (Post 10725228)
Do you believe that we'll see a rush of incidents and accidents post-Coronavirus as pilots who have been on the couch for several months, perhaps more than half year, return to flying? Do you think regulators will mandate any special additional training??

Some professionals amongst us will use the time off to recharge the batteries, spend much needed quality time with the family and heaven forbid catch up on tomes of manuals, FCIs etc. I can assure you that our training departments and management pilots will be using the time to catch up as well and push a load of paper our way. Reading the Ops Part B and refreshing yourself on standard calls and SOPs before you go to work is all that most of us will require. Others will find a bit of armchair flying useful.

Mister Warning 23rd March 2020 22:33

I had 12 months off after a head injury. Getting back in to the sim felt no different than after annual leave. It's like riding a bike.

Mach E Avelli 23rd March 2020 23:06

Many limits in aviation are arbitrary. An experienced and erstwhile competent pilot is not suddenly incompetent because the calendar clicks over a day, or even 6 months.
The level of retraining required could be scaled to the experience and prior consolidation of each pilot. For a 20000 hour pilot indeed it should be like riding a bike. For a 200 hour pilot more retraining would be a reasonable imposition.

Superpilot 24th March 2020 02:54


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10725837)
Many limits in aviation are arbitrary. An experienced and erstwhile competent pilot is not suddenly incompetent because the calendar clicks over a day, or even 6 months.
The level of retraining required could be scaled to the experience and prior consolidation of each pilot. For a 20000 hour pilot indeed it should be like riding a bike. For a 200 hour pilot more retraining would be a reasonable imposition.

What he said!

Eric Janson 24th March 2020 07:02


Originally Posted by advent (Post 10725512)
So, I've been unemployed since September... My LPC and medical expires mid April 2021.... Does this mean I can expect an extension to my expiry? Or is this just for those lucky to be employed right now?

15,000 hrs. TRI.. 50 years old etc....

Interested...

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My company has been able to extend Licence validity with several different CAAs.

Contact your Licensing authorities and see what they are prepared to do.

wiggy 24th March 2020 07:05

UK CAA Exemption

Released yesterday....

currawong 24th March 2020 07:08

I would venture to suggest that any notion of a "Ready, set, GO!" back to normal ops after say six months is an unlikely proposition.

I do hope to be proven wrong.

Australian CASA have mandated exemptions also, presumably aimed at keeping essential services functioning for the duration.

Banana Joe 24th March 2020 09:50


Originally Posted by advent (Post 10725512)
So, I've been unemployed since September... My LPC and medical expires mid April 2021.... Does this mean I can expect an extension to my expiry? Or is this just for those lucky to be employed right now?

15,000 hrs. TRI.. 50 years old etc....

Interested...

Ad...

You should be able to obtain it as you would be unable to do your LPC even if you wanted to pay for it yourself.

ShyTorque 24th March 2020 09:56


Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator (Post 10725361)
Many thousands of pilots around the world work seasonally anyway. I've had a gap of between 6 months and a year about 3 times in my career. It's never been an issue. Of course the company will give you 4-8 hours in a sim anyway.

Of course they will? Really?


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