Congratulations, finally achieving what is normal in just about every other company.

I'm glad you're not either. Anybody who lists their profession on an internet forum as "737 Captain" and then has to list their location as "LHS 737", just in case somebody didn't notice that you're a captain, is somebody I'm likely to have nothing in common with. You're probably one of those who wears their uniform into Sainsburys on their days off too. Are you a captain by the way?

Genuinely glad to hear there's progress, the whole industry's T&C's are relying on it. What did I do? Well what I did was, along with everybody else, contributed to the issue that brought attention the pilot shortage in the first place. I left. If nobody did that, you wouldn't have a hope in hell of union recognition. You're welcome.

Cheers for the nibble, Captain.

Hahaha, Brilliant. It's true. How do you know somebody is a pilot? They'll tell you. They'll also tell you they have something fancy in the driveway, they live in a country retreat, have a boat, holiday 4 times a year and that their kids are in private school. Probably wears a Ralph Lauren shirt, chinos and deck shoes and has the latest Apple tech. Boring. Yawn. Next stereotype please.

Along with everybody else ? No some stayed actually. People have been leaving for years and good luck to them. But some stayed and fought. Your contribution was zero. You joined as a snotty nosed cadet that most probably wasn’t even shaving yet and then you left. Thank you so so much VOKES. You are absolutely right we would have nothing in common.

I’m off for the weekly shop now so I need to get my uniform ready.

No they didn't. When I was there, nobody 'fought' for anything. Working days off for no additional payment, accepting standby callouts to position to other bases and pay for their own hotels at short (and expensive) notice, taking the bare minimum fuel and turning the APU off in 30+ celcius, accepting that they're so disrespected by management that not being provided with water in the work place is some kind of norm, accepting that they have to pay for everything - including the uniform you're required to work in, working behind dodgy contractor deals under the benefit of paying little tax, accepting that the company can change their duty without block window protection even if you have plans for after your duty, worrying when returning to base that the company will tell you to do another two sectors, accepting that turning the seat belt signs on to use the toilet is normal, accepting that if you're delayed you still have to pay for inedible food from the bar, accepting the abuse of your cabin crew colleagues - most of whom nowadays can barely speak a word of English, accepting being moved to Fez to do your command upgrade ("I'm not worried, it's only a year and then I'll definitely be back in Stansted"). But don't worry, Ryanair kindly provide you with a 5/4 roster, so it's ok to accept everything else.

Nobody fought for anything until too many people left and the media caught on. Then suddenly one or two grew a backbone. Although you make out to be a popular fella (similar to your obsession with telling everyone you're a captain, you also like to mention all the companies you apparently have friends), I also still know plenty of people in Ryanair - and they don't tow the company line like you, they're well aware that very little is changing, and most would leave if they could get a DEC job in their home base. I've never worked in such a spineless work environment, and believe me I've had some awful jobs.

But don't let that detract you from making personal attacks against somebody you don't know on an internet forum. Mr Captain Popular appears to have a complex :ok:

Alright guys calm down.. pilots are already blaming each others enough. One shouldn’t blame anyone what she or he has done in the past. Everyone has their reasons.

I second Vokes what he wrote in the previous post. I didn’t study for this profession to be treated as I was treated in Ryanair. For me it wasn’t a job, I took it as part of my flight training. I paid them money and they taught me to fly, simple. Left as soon as I could when the appropriate opportunity came up.

Anyone, who claims that Ryanair model to hire and use pilots is acceptable and fair has completely lost it. That was the main reason why I left. The unfair, toxic and punitive culture in the company made me hate them. Which I still do, occasionally, but I’m trying to change it now to being hopeful instead. Haven’t been there for years so can’t really say anything anymore about the current operations.

Two best decisions I’ve made during my career; Joining Ryanair and leaving Ryanair. Life is good now :ok:

(Oh and stop that rant about financial status or career progression, nobody gives a :mad:. Only thing that matters in life is that are you happy or not)

Vokes55

Isn’t it a shock that pilots “apparently” have friends in many other airlines?
I had a nice time in Tescos earlier, I told a few people in the fruit section that I was a Captain because I’m “obsessed” with it. They looked a little perplexed to begin with and one even suggested that I belong in the fruit section. Honestly VOKES I think you should be looking closer to home when it’s comes to the Captain “obsession”.

“One or two” pilots grew a backbone? One or two?

You wouldn’t know the meaning of the word backbone.

You joined on said conditions, you moaned,you did the square root of @&)”£& all about it and then you toddled off to TOM when the opportunity came. You then try to depict that you are whiter than white. You got what you wanted and ran for the hills. Best of luck! The ones that stayed will try to improve things. Hopefully the latent effects of that will be your T & Cs will improve in the long run. If you think you “contributed” and that makes you feel warm and fuzzy then fair enough. Fill your boots.

Captain popular doesn’t have the complex vokes. It’s you isn’t it?

Can you guys please stop your personal war and free this thread again for its basic purpose of informing the pilot community about the progress within RYR?
The developments within that company are way too important for the rest of the industry to be hijacked into this nonsense.

Can anyone elaborate on the above? I don’t understand.

It was SOP (not sure if its still the case) to put the belts on if you where leaving the FCC.

No problem. Back on thread then.

Management are meeting the Belgium unions tomorrow. They met with SEPLA in Spain this week also.

Follow up meetings with ANPAC in Italy, Vereinigung Cockpit in Germany, and BALPA in the coming weeks.

I see the new pay figures on ppjn:

Agency capt €165/hr
Ryr contract UK capt £135,000pa
Ryr contract EU capt €155,000pa
Ryr contract EU SFO €7,000/mth
Cadet €3,000/mth

Hahahaha, management in that airline are more desperate everyday... I invite FR pilots in this forum to send an update with the real payscales that I'm pretty sure will differ... (at least mine was nowhere near those figures)

Of course your pay wasn't. Those figures are remuneration from this month.

That is a huge pay gap between RYR contract and agency for FO's (cadet)... Would be great to see some more improvements for cadets too.

I guess these figures includes uniform, loss of license, private health care, pension, parking, per diems etc. ? Not to mention food you need to purchase for every working day.

Once you deduct those from the take home pay then you might get close to real figures what people are actually earning.

Then compare it to other airlines packages and notice how “industry leading” it is :hmm:

Captain Belgian base on Ryanair contract, less than 70k€ net pa. Nothing included (uniform, parking, medical, LOL, airport ID, company ID, food, water, coffee, stapler in crewroom, pen, high viz, phone bills). 1 unwanted month off, 10 ad-hoc days (3 last year, the remainder denied or allocated on rest days off).

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/uk.mobi.../idUKKBN1F71SS

UK based pilots accept pay rises?

FR captain italy can vary between 120-135K euro gross before tax, 10-20% if LTC or TRI/TRE.
In Italy they pay "outside the payslip" about 29% social insurance to italian pension scheme(forced by the gvnmt back in 2011 I believe)
so if you include this is about 150K euro per year....
but at the end of the month net salary for 100 (>60 sectors if based in south italy)BH is about 7-8k euros net depending how much domestic you did or didn't...:\
with 50 BH per month salary will be about 6k net
It's your job whorty 120 euros net per sectors? NO
taxes are basically double paid in Ireland and Italy on some parts of the payslip.
SFO about 70k euro gross before tax.

and we are missing food, water, uniform, insurance, positioning paid by the company if you are schedule out of base on ground transport, repsect, dignity and much more...

Good job you didn’t get in then, too arrogant? Or too much of a “numpty”?

Your post from the TOM recruitment thread:

:D