Not a word in the piece from Bloomberg there earlier about the 6 lawfirms in the US that have started investigations against Ryanair due to the cancellations. Agree as well that i really hope a positive outcome for all pilots despite the spin there from Bloomberg calling the council rouge among other things...

Bloomberg quoting an analyst. What the analyst forgets is that they describe almost the entire pilot workforce who just want some modicum of fairness out of their employer as “rogues”....

TangoAlphad You can get Ryanair stock on the Nasdaq so i wouldn't be surprised if it's possible and also the lawfirms should know.

Well, you're right on one count.

Men want to be in your pants then?

Mate, u have more than one problem.

Was that an option?

As someone in the job market at the moment a recurring theme from employers I have come into contact with is how many Ryanair pilots they have applying. Both Jet 2 and Easyjet have 100's on the books. Jet 2 in particular with an oven ready hold pool of them. Assume it is the same right the way across Europe. My guess is that MOL will be parking quite a few aircraft next summer. This is going to take some sorting out on his part.

Since this all broke into the public domain what have the number of leavers been like , is it still a steady abandon ship ?

I think it has accelerated both as a result of typical winter hiring and the situation hardening people's desire to move

If other airlines Jet2, Easyjet etc are smart. They should hire almost exclusively pilots from Ryanair.

They can't beat O'Leary on price but they can take a very valuable commodity off him, his experienced pilots. They need to go for the jugular now that a weak spot has been exposed.

He will be forced to improve the T's and C's of his own pilots to stop the exodus. This can only be good for everyone in the industry. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Well Ryanair's T and C's are very low compared to others...and I have been comparing!. They put a headline figure up but it has more strings attached that my vest! He has some way to go to match what the others are offering. Probably yet again explains why large numbers are still leaving or looking to leave. Ryanair will have to go some way to exceed what the others have on the table....

The much vaunted myth that Ryanair is well paid has been clearly exposed.

Rising terms and conditions would also potentially cause Easy and Jet2 to raise the bar costing them more money..

What about the amount of costs saved by RYR through 'interesting' constructions. If they had to play on the same pitch as the competitors, even with lower direct T's & C's, their costs would rise to the norm. The competitors wouldn't have to do anything.

I've been out of the loop for a few years as I embarked on a University degree after completing my PPL when the market was pretty bad for pilots. I'll be graduating later next year and will most likely begin ATPL training.

With airlines like Ryanair getting called out on the bad T&Cs, do you reckon (if you HAD to predict, I know it can all change overnight) that the market would be much better in say 2-3 years time?

nope , market will just keep getting worse ,
as long as people keep accepting :mad: T&Cs then the race to the bottom will continue

Jaair - As Snapper5 points out, Ts & Cs will continue to get worse, there's always a whole raft of Muppets who are willing to sell themselves down the river to get a (or perhaps their first) flying job, that won't change.

Take that degree of yours and go and get a proper job and fly for pleasure. :ok:

I second that!

It's a great shame/tragedy that there is even a minutiae of truth in this; not universal, but wide-spread enough.

I think we are finally really headed toward an eventual pilot shortage, I never thought I would say that, but I don't think it is a bad move anymore to become a pilot.

We just need to make some cleaning in the back yard and sort out the T and C mess for all. But I am optimistic again. Pilot shortage mean the ball is in our camp, and we are in the driver seat.

Ryanair stock closing at 15.60 today. Hmmm...

It is a great shame RAT 5, my 12-year old self would never have believed that I'd one day utter those words when I started down the aviation career path.

I was asked recently by a friend of a friend to go and have a chat to his Son about flying as a career choice, I politely turned him down and said that I wasn't the right man to do it.

Am I right to blame Ryanair for all that is bad about UK aviation, or would it have all gone downhill anyway without their existence?

No, blame the very people who accept :mad: T & Cs, that's the real reason they are so low. Ryanair are only as bad as they are because people accept what they offer, it's the same with any company. You can dress it up and disagree until the cows come home but everything offered was optional, nobody had their family held at gunpoint to make them accept it. The fundamental and basic issue is anyone will accept anything to sit in the RHS of an airliner, it is they who are to blame. Ryanair, easyjet and all the others are just offering what they can get away with and why not? That's what business is all about, reduce your costs = make more profit. It's like Valentine's Day, why do your 12 roses cost 4 x more than usual? Service station cuppas, why are they 3 x the price as anywhere else? Because us muppets are prepared to pay it, it's very simple. Ahh but it's the only job going I hear you say, well if it's that bad then why even start training? Where's the research into the job market? There probably wasn't any. Back in the day when Danny run pprune they held a seminar, they had an official statistic regarding recruitment and it went something like this..during a healthy recruitment year (that's healthy, not a recession) there are about 250-300 jobs available in that year in the UK. As a 10 year average there's about 1200 new fATPLs issued every year. The maths work out that on average, 900 will never find jobs (this was before Europe really opened up for pilot jobs, i.e. when the T&Cs rot set in) yet in the deepest recession in living memory the flight schools were FULL, yes full. That's where the issue lies, potential pilots training regardless of the situation then being forced to take any !!!!e that came their way to pay off training loans. Who in their wildest dreams would start training in the deepest recession in living memory, spending £100k purely based on a promise from the flight schools? Go figure, and herein lies the root of all our T&C issues.